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Cheimoon said:
Amazing that they keep inviting him! What's behind that? By now, they know what he's going to say and that he's going to be good at saying it.
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They just can't get over the fact that he humiliated them and so keep inviting him back hoping to "get him" and even the scores. But Pete is far ahead now I guess
 

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Have they announced Trump's victory yet? Called PA?
 

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Fox News still entertaining commentators who push Trump's claims about stolen election via voter fraud.
 

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Fox News host challenges Rudy Giuliani on voter fraud: 'Where is the DOJ?'


So where is the AG?
 

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krautrøck said:
Any got 230 bucks to spare? Head over to Cameo...

https://www.cameo.com/judgejeanine
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Can we get her to say anything? If so I am in if I can get a message saying:

"Hi, I am fake judge Jeanine. I am a lying, deceitful, bigoted piece of human garbage and am embarrassed to be a human being. When I am not appearing drunk on live TV I like to diddle myself to Nazi porn. Please leave a message after the beep."
 

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Rudy Giuliani claims election fraud was coordinated by 'somebody in Washington'


Conspiracy hour with Rudy.
 

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Drifter said:
Rudy Giuliani claims election fraud was coordinated by 'somebody in Washington'


Conspiracy hour with Rudy.
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He's right. Trump tampered with the USPS, a crime. He told his idiot supporters to vote twice, another crime. Maybe if Rudolph mentioned this in court he would win a case.
 

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Drifter said:
Rudy Giuliani claims election fraud was coordinated by 'somebody in Washington'


Conspiracy hour with Rudy.
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Somebody in Washington? Maybe it was Q him/herself ... the ultimate deep-state double-agent.
 

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Drifter said:

Continuing this invisible war on Christmas.
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News actors & actresses should hold no sway at all in the media, especially failed weather men, failed sports radio dorks, & short skirted bottle blondes.
 

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Drifter said:

Continuing this invisible war on Christmas.
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Yep, just like the invisible war to take away everyone's guns, shut down all churches, install a Marxist government and force everyone to become homosexual.

There are only two kinds of people who go for this: those dumb enough to swallow it and those willing to promote known lies for their own twisted ends.
 

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GlastonSpur said:
Yep, just like the invisible war to take away everyone's guns, shut down all churches, install a Marxist government and force everyone to become homosexual.

There are only two kinds of people who go for this: those dumb enough to swallow it and those willing to promote known lies for their own twisted ends.
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In other words, conservatives.
 

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Fox News is on a Historic Run at Last Place in Cable News. Here Are the Reasons Why.

Fox News has been in last place in the cable news ratings for eight straight days.

It’s still too early to say if this represents a seismic shift in the cable news landscape, or if it is just a temporary realignment in the wake of a uniquely historic few months. But Fox News ratings are trending down at a clip not seen in literally decades.

Since the early aughts, Fox News has consistently been the most-watched, and arguably the most influential, cable news outlet — by a mile. We have become accustomed to lengthy stretches in which the total combined viewership of CNN and MSNBC was less than the number of people tuning into Fox News.

Fox has been long dismissed by many in the media biz as a network for tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists. But venture outside NYC, DC and LA, and you’ll often find it to be the default television station at doctors’ offices, country clubs, bars, and restaurants across the country. There is a large audience of moderate viewers who aren’t caught up in cable news wars and ideological battles. They just see Fox News as the most familiar channel.

But the ratings since the election — in both of the key metrics of total viewers and the age 25-54 demographic, and both in total day and prime time — have been grim for Fox News.

Every day since Jan. 4, Fox has trailed both MSNBC and CNN in total day viewers in the younger demo. While viewers spiked on all three networks during coverage of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump supporters, Fox’s demo viewers lagged significantly behind CNN’s, although CNN’s numbers were astonishing: CNN averaged more total day demo viewers than the other two networks combined.

The Daily Beast just breathlessly reported that Rupert Murdoch is so concerned with the ratings plunge that he has reinserted himself into the day to day management, and that Fox News Media CEO Suzanne Scott and President & Executive Editor Jay Wallace are in the hot seat. Mediaite could not confirm that report, but it’s no surprise that there are rumblings inside a network experiencing a ratings downturn, all while some hosts are surely unhappy with the new dayside lineup. A Fox Corporation spokesperson responded to The Daily Beast’s request or comment, “Your premise is wrong. It is wishful thinking by our competitors.”

That report suggests Suzanne Scott’s job is in jeopardy because of the network’s current woes. Forgive me for being somewhat skeptical: While ratings are indeed down, the network ended 2020 with the highest ratings in cable news history. Fox is set to pull in more advertising cash than its rivals too (estimated to exceed $1 billion). You can see more reasons why she has had a great year on our Most Influential list for 2020.

But the days of Fox News’s uninterrupted dominance appear to be on leave, which neatly coincides with the final days of President Donald Trump, whose administration the vast majority of the network’s personalities fell in line behind. That’s a driver, but not the sole reason why Fox News is in the T.V. ratings doldrums. There are many, which I outline below.

1. A historic news cycle — for the competition.

Even folks at Fox News conceded privately to me that the last year’s cycle was a perfect storm of news for CNN and, to a lesser extent, MSNBC. A historic impeachment was followed by a historic pandemic. Then came a presidential election lost by their viewer’s preferred candidate. Then came an armed insurrection incited by that candidate, the law and order candidate, leading to his second impeachment. All perfect fodder for CNN and MSNBC. When Trump supporters were storming the Capitol, CNN went all in on coverage. Fox News opted to cover lesser stories, like tech censorship, in prime time. What are you going to watch? When the news is bad for Trump, Fox News tends to avoid it, and viewers tend to turn off Fox News. Who wants to continue watching their favorite team lose in a rout? Nobody.

2. Deemphasizing news department in favor of more opinion programming.

The resignation and departure of Shepard Smith was viewed less as a business loss by many in the cable news racket and more of a spiritual one. Smith was one of the remaining old school news guys that anchored a daily show, and while his ratings were nothing to sniff at, he was a fan favorite and had earned bipartisan respect. But his leaving 1221 Ave of the Americas was a perfect metaphor for a larger programming shift at Fox News. Less and less of what was being reported originally came from Fox News news department, while the vast majority of opinion programming was focused on complaining about their competitors. A lot of the programming has become indiscernible from right-of-center aggregators like Daily Caller, The Blaze, and even Breitbart. Meanwhile, the victimized anger that fueled ratings for decades appears to have run out. Fox News continues to double down on opinion, adding another hour at 7 PM.

3. Opinion programming all-in on conspiracies.

Tucker Carlson famously ended a segment on the deadly Capitol insurrection by reassuring viewers that the violence was not the fault of his audience. It’s their fault, he said. Who are they in that sentence? Presumably, the rioters themselves but also the “normalized” BLM protests from the previous summer. And while we are at it, let’s throw in the billionaire class, the mainstream media overlord, and Big Tech oligarchs which he had previously blamed, only metaphorically, for stealing the election. Carlson’s prosaic sophistry is world-class, and I have called him the most influential person on cable news. But what he says day in and day out is a far more poetic and nuanced version of the vast majority of the rest of the programming. But all of that aside, opinions are not worth anything if they end up being provably false, or later need a correction, as was the case in the Smartmatic conspiracies and “dead people voted in Georgia” mistakes that needed a correction. It’s led many t the point where no serious person thinks Fox News is a serious news network.

4. Outflanked on the fringe right by OANN and Newsmax.

Fox News was put in a serious pickle in the weeks that followed the election. President Trump started lying that the election was stolen, even though no serious person believed that to be true as there was no hard evidence of systemic voter fraud. But smaller cable outlets like OAN and Newsmax were all too happy to tell viewers that their team could still win the game. When Fox News was the first network to call Arizona for Joe Biden, a decision that was correct but early, Fox viewers abandoned the network in significant numbers. To stanch the bleeding, Fox News appears to have taken a hard turn right, and even hard news programs have increasingly reported on the analysis put forth by opinionators, as if the thoughts of Laura Ingraham were news unto themselves worth reporting. The thing is, the hard turn right appears to have backfired, as the total viewers haven’t increased as a result.



Since January 4, Fox has averaged around 780,000 fewer total day viewers than MSNBC, and around 1 million fewer than CNN. In primetime, Fox has trailed MSNBC by around 650,000 viewers since Jan. 4, and CNN by around 920,000.

Under founder Roger Ailes, Fox News didn’t just create programming for a long-ignored conservative audience, the network also pioneered an infectiously entertaining brand of infotainment that blurred the lines between opinionated analysis and fact-based reporting. It was opinion-based entertainment packaged as news, and it was so successful that many shows on MSNBC and even CNN have followed the formula.
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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-new...place-in-cable-news-here-are-the-reasons-why/
 

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Me: this is good

Me also: those lunatics go to OANN and Newsmax which make them even more radicalized
 

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Raoul said:
Maybe they're leaving Fox because of great content like this...

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explicitly stated in this fancy article:

MikeUpNorth said:
While I agree that, on the balance of probabilities, it’s likely to have been naturally occurring, I wouldn’t overstate the certainty. A good (and very long) read here:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

Worth taking the time to read in full at some point.
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unchanged_lineup said:
I read that article when it came out and thought it was an appalling piece of crap. Was I wrong?
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some of the stuff is plausible but it seems to overstate its case. this is what i thought initially, but i've been very busy since i read it so i've forgotten what i was trying to add to this post now.

berbatrick said:
The argument for lab escape is well-made but a bit contradictory. A lot is made of the fact that there has been no intermediate host determined between bat and human (section). Then, a paper from a US-China collaboration showing that bat corornaviruses do not need an intermediate host is mentioned in a different context and described as useless in its scientific impact (section)

e - thought about it a bit more, i think the article makes a few other missteps. will maybe write about it a bit more when i have time. the basic issue is that it seems to try to fit everything wrong into sars-cov-2.
so it is a result of passaging, a technique where the final product is indistinguishable from natural evolution, but also a product of site-directed mutagenesis, (the furin cleavage site). i dont think the latter fits in with the rest of the evidence, especially given that it's only a 4 amino acid site (i.e. not hard to evolve naturally). just looking at this figure from the article makes me very skeptical of human site-directed genetic changes from blue to yellow. would have been helpful if he labeled the furin and ace2 sites on that graph.
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berbatrick said:
some of the stuff is plausible but it seems to overstate its case. this is what i thought initially, but i've been very busy since i read it so i've forgotten what i was trying to add to this post now.
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If I remember right, Science Twitter exploded over that article and it was dissected a lot.
 
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