The great Brazilian World Cup drought | Official Brazil Thread

[Bobski]

Have to think that could be the last WC for Silva, Casemiro, Neymar, maybe even Marquinhos, and it probably came a couple of years too soon for their younger players. Kind of a theme of this tournament, a lot of teams in between generations.

 

[Irwin99]

Still think they were one of the best teams but they lost the midfield battle today.

As shite as he can be at times (and he wasn't particularly good when he came on) it might have been better to stick Fred in there from the beginning or another DM to help Casemiro out. That West Ham lad wasn't great.

 

[Chairman Steve]

Why didn’t they use Martinelli more? They seem fecking dedicated to keeping Neymar on but other than the goal, he stank the place out.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Perennially overrated because of 1970 and 1982. Since 2002 at least (and even then they had an easy run), they have struggled against decent European teams. Good at dancing while humiliating minnows though.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

If you can't stop yourself from going all out attack for the last 5 minutes of a game that you're winning 1-0, you deserve everything you get.

 

[Fenomeno9]

We deserve to lose. I think Tite subs were terrible and the decision to push forward for a second in extratime was stupid as well. I knew it was premature for people to say we trounce Croatia when they always give us a tough game.

 

[crappycraperson]

Perennially overrated because of 1970 and 1982. Since 2002 at least (and even then they had an easy run), they have struggled against decent European teams. Good at dancing while humiliating minnows though.

What does this even mean? They are overrated because they had some of the best players and teams in WC history? And also have won the WC the most times?

 

[SalfordRed18]

Perennially overrated because of 1970 and 1982. Since 2002 at least (and even then they had an easy run), they have struggled against decent European teams. Good at dancing while humiliating minnows though.

Not really fair. They've been shit since 2002 but have got their act together in recent years and this world cup was more than winnable for them. They underperformed today and this Croatia team is resilient, and somewhat extra time specialists. That's football.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

I don’t think they were that bad but cup knockouts are such fine margins between winning it all and losing. Unlike 2018 when they were outplayed by Belgium, this one will sting. They were good enough to win the World Cup.

 

[MoskvaRed]

What does this even mean? They are overrated because they had some of the best players and teams in WC history? And also have won the WC the most times?

They get sycophantic praise for “samba football” and “jogo bonito” despite largely playing rather dull, functional football since 1986. Admittedly the 2022 team are actually entertaining and, ultimately, I shouldn’t blame the team for what the media says, but it does get a bit nauseating. In my lifetime, they’ve won it twice (both in fairly forgettable fashion) and the same as Italy, Argentina, France and Germany but they get talked up like they are from another planet.

 

[Kopral Jono]

Honestly, if Brazil had gone on to win that they probably would go all the way. But part of any cup competition is luck and today it just didn't fall on their side. It happens.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

need a striker and some proper fullbacks by the next WC, and to stop playing Raphinha

 

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[Robertd0803]

need a striker and some proper fullbacks by the next WC, and to stop playing Raphinha

Very true. Although theres a ton of international teams that are crying out for a proper striker who can put the scruffy chances in the net. (Same can be said at club level as well)

This is definitley a winnable World Cup and Brazil left it slip through their fingers.

 

[Doracle]

Brazil probably only had the 5th or 6th strongest squad, so no real surprise they’ve gone out at this stage, save how well the draw worked out.

 

[DrogaPortoroz]

Should have played Bruno G alongside Casemiro.
Weird selection with 4 attackers.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

need a striker and some proper fullbacks by the next WC, and to stop playing Raphinha

Richarlison was good enough if he was given the chances, not like there were many better 9s in the tournament. Weakness was Paqueta who just watched the Croatia 3 dominate outnumbered Casemiro and yeah fullbacks by Brazil standards were awful. Militao is a centre back, which shows the state of things there.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

Richarlison was good enough if he was given the chances, not like there were many better 9s in the tournament. Weakness was Paqueta who just watched the Croatia 3 dominate outnumbered Casemiro and yeah fullbacks by Brazil standards were awful. Militao is a centre back, which shows the state of things there.

Richarlison works hard but he’s basically good at nothing

 

[bosnian_red]

In 4 years people will call the favourites again based on name value and good form in a weak qualifying campaign

 

[Amir]

Not really fair. They've been shit since 2002 but have got their act together in recent years and this world cup was more than winnable for them. They underperformed today and this Croatia team is resilient, and somewhat extra time specialists. That's football.

Aye. They were four minutes from from the semi finals and looked very solid during the tournament.

It's just the nature of the game and the knock out stages.

 

[horsechoker]

Pep Guardiola should take the Brazil job. They have a lot of good young players and in 4 years they'll probably have just as good a team.

 

[TheNewEra]

In 4 years people will call the favourites again based on name value and good form in a weak qualifying campaign

With Neymar over the hill, Casemiro 34 and no real CB replacement for Thiago Silva? I doubt they'll be close to favourites.

They'll have some individual brilliance though. Just not a team.

 

[SalfordRed18]

In 4 years people will call the favourites again based on name value and good form in a weak qualifying campaign

This doesn't happen every world cup so what point are you making?

 

[bosnian_red]

With Neymar over the hill, Casemiro 34 and no real CB replacement for Thiago Silva? I doubt they'll be close to favourites.

They'll have some individual brilliance though. Just not a team.

Yeah but they were called favourites by many people every world cup the past 20 years even when they didn't have the squad. Look at their back line this year. How can that be a favourites level back line? They had Allison, neymar, Casemiro and Vinicius this year. The rest are nothing special, and with an average coach who already flopped in the last world cup. Why did people think they would walk over everyone?

 

[bosnian_red]

This doesn't happen every world cup so what point are you making?

Literally does happen every time. People always claim they are one of the top 3 favourites. They were the bookies favourites this year as well, and I had no idea why. Because they had a good run of form while not playing a single European team for a few years? Didn't understand it.

 

[DixieDean]

Why didn't Richarlison take a pen? Was he subbed?

 

[TheGame]

Why didn't Richarlison take a pen? Was he subbed?

Yeah he was subbed off.

 

[TheGame]

Have to think that could be the last WC for Silva, Casemiro, Neymar, maybe even Marquinhos, and it probably came a couple of years too soon for their younger players. Kind of a theme of this tournament, a lot of teams in between generations.

They had the right balance in the squad between experience and youth yet did not play the right formation. They would have been better off sticking Neymar on the flank and playing a proper midfield 3. It was obvious today that they were losing the midfield battle yet the coach didn’t make any alterations.

 

[Swordsman]

I don't know why Rodyrgo is the 1st to take penalty. Should have put Neymar on or someone else.

 

[Red the Bear]

Now they're gonna equal their 1970_1994 drought.

They have some good youngsters coming up and and many of their players will be in their prime by then, I think they'll be the favorites by 2026.

 

[acolyte]

I don't understand why it's so hard to say "alright Neymar, you're our best penalty taker so you'll always take the first penalty we absolutely have to score to avoid being knocked out, whether that's the 3rd or 4th or 5th". Either that or just have him go first to set the tone and get some momentum.

 

[crappycraperson]

They get sycophantic praise for “samba football” and “jogo bonito” despite largely playing rather dull, functional football since 1986. Admittedly the 2022 team are actually entertaining and, ultimately, I shouldn’t blame the team for what the media says, but it does get a bit nauseating. In my lifetime, they’ve won it twice (both in fairly forgettable fashion) and the same as Italy, Argentina, France and Germany but they get talked up like they are from another planet.

Their 2002 team was great. Scolari got shit for playing European style football but likes of Rivaldo and Ronaldinhio brought plenty of flair anyway in their attack. It is not their fault that all the European sides shat the bed in 2002 and only meaningful game they played before final was the quarters against England, where they engineered a great come from behind 2-1 win.

I don't remember any Brazilian team in my lifetime playing dull football like Spain. Not every side does Joga bonito like 82 but they do playing attacking football with intent to score rather than tiki-taka garbage.

 

[Seij]

Their 2002 team was great. Scolari got shit for playing European style football but likes of Rivaldo and Ronaldinhio brought plenty of flair anyway in their attack. It is not their fault that all the European sides shat the bed in 2002 and only meaningful game they played before final was the quarters against England, where they engineered a great come from behind 2-1 win.

I don't remember any Brazilian team in my lifetime playing dull football like Spain. Not every side does Joga bonito like 82 but they do playing attacking football with intent to score rather than tiki-taka garbage.

I feel like their 2006 was even more stacked on paper: Cafu, Lucio, Juan, R. Carlos, G. Silva, Kaka, Juninho, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo + Robinho, Adriano, Emerson, etc. That is an insane team. Unfortunately, they ran into a French squad that was also stacked and had Zidane on mission playing in front of Viera and Makelele.

 

[genardk]

They get sycophantic praise for “samba football” and “jogo bonito” despite largely playing rather dull, functional football since 1986. Admittedly the 2022 team are actually entertaining and, ultimately, I shouldn’t blame the team for what the media says, but it does get a bit nauseating. In my lifetime, they’ve won it twice (both in fairly forgettable fashion) and the same as Italy, Argentina, France and Germany but they get talked up like they are from another planet.

98 - 2002 teams were boring, come on now..

 

[tenpoless]

This was supposed to be their WC. What a loss it must be for them. No Casemiro in the next one probably.

 

[simonhch]

Brazil really suffered such a shock result because of (a) the poor quality of their full backs, and lack of danger on the overlap, and (b) the absence of a top class striker. Richarlison had his eye catching moments in the tournament, but he’s not a top drawer player, and when they came up against a high quality defence, they just didn’t have the quality to really break it down.

Viniscius is very good but still somewhat inconsistent, and too greedy, Neymar was terrible today - aside from his worldie - Richarlison works really hard but isn’t a world class striker, and Raphinha is very hit or miss. They missed having Gabriel Jesus. That midfield, Casemiro aside, is also very, very average. Militao, a cb at right back, doesn’t give them much going forward for the overload, and Danilo was just rubbish. They didn’t even have any good options on the bench.

I feel a lot of people were way over the top in assessing the quality of their squad, myself included. They should have won today, without a doubt. Croatia shithoused their way through to the semi. But, Brazil just didn’t have the quality needed in attack to go all the way in this tournament. Martinelli certainly should’ve come on, he’s in such good form and is lightening quick. Much, much better than Rodrygo IMO, who has never looked much cop to me. A great dribbler, but Martinelli has that directness to his game that just stretches the play and creates spaces for others.

 

[crappycraperson]

I feel like their 2006 was even more stacked on paper: Cafu, Lucio, Juan, R. Carlos, G. Silva, Kaka, Juninho, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo + Robinho, Adriano, Emerson, etc. That is an insane team. Unfortunately, they ran into a French squad that was also stacked and had Zidane on mission playing in front of Viera and Makelele.

That looks better on paper now. By 2006 Carlos, Cafu and Ronaldo were well past their best. Main issue from Brazil then was sudden decline of Ronaldinhio. He was the one expected to be their pivotal player that WC alongside Kaka. Both got schooled by Zidane.