The Great United Fire Sale (nth edition)

P-Nut said:
If no one is willing to pay their wages there isn't much you can do. Garnacho is a feck up on Amorims part, there was no need to make it so obvious there was no position for him in the squad. Reckon he'd have loads of people wanting to pay 60M for him if they didn't think we were desperate to sell him.
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We might have to bite the bullet with them then, reduce the asking price to compensate for the wages aka pay them off to leave. Would be much better than keeping them on for sure.

Regarding Garna, I get what you're saying, but it's a tricky thing too. have to show others that there will be no compromises regarding the culture within the squad too.
 
P-Nut said:
If no one is willing to pay their wages there isn't much you can do. Garnacho is a feck up on Amorims part, there was no need to make it so obvious there was no position for him in the squad. Reckon he'd have loads of people wanting to pay 60M for him if they didn't think we were desperate to sell him.
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Such as?

£60m is a massive fee for most clubs. He is vastly overrated by our fans. He's not good enough to start for the sort of clubs that can afford to pay £60m, and he's too expensive for the level of clubs that might be interested in him. At most he will get around £35m this summer.
 
Why do people think we tried to offload Garnacho in January?

I felt like we recieved an offer by surprise from Napoli & it was a good deal so we opened up to the idea of selling him.

I don't think we intentionally put him on our transfer list in January.

We got 60m offer in January when we weren't trying to sell him. We then negotiated too much and the deal broke through.

6 months later we definitely want to sell him and no one wants to pay 60m for him anymore.

All our players are singled out publicly by the club, the manager and its fanbase - this causes the player value to completely fall because all 3 say that these players are a libaility before begging other teams to get them off our hands.

Wages is the other issue.
 
MaMa given red said:
Such as?

£60m is a massive fee for most clubs. He is vastly overrated by our fans. He's not good enough to start for the sort of clubs that can afford to pay £60m, and he's too expensive for the level of clubs that might be interested in him. At most he will get around £35m this summer.
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There's loads of clubs that would pay 60M for a guy that is producing numbers only bettered by Yamal and Doue amongst similar age profiles.

Jaoo Pedro is going for 50m and he got 5 non penalty goals last season. Nico Williams will go for his release clause and yet produced less than Garnacho in an easier league and being 2 years older.
 
I know swap deals are highly complex, but I wonder if that wouldn't be an option to shift some of these people that are hard to sell directly. Due to some of the wage structures the players are on, we'd probably have to continue paying a portion of the wages for a year or so, but it would be better than doing a loan where they end up leaving on a free. At least we get some value in the swap deal.
 
P-Nut said:
There's loads of clubs that would pay 60M for a guy that is producing numbers only bettered by Yamal and Doue amongst similar age profiles.

Jaoo Pedro is going for 50m and he got 5 non penalty goals last season. Nico Williams will go for his release clause and yet produced less than Garnacho in an easier league and being 2 years older.
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Who though?

Is it not quite telling that Chelsea and Barcelona have decided to look elsewhere? I can't see any interest from big clubs materialising and smaller clubs won't be able to afford him, so it's either drop the asking price or stick with him.
 
GoldanoGraham said:
As of tomorrow all of these players amortised book values decrease significantly, like all players but also our outgoings for amortised transfers for the year kick in.
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I don't think that's true, amortization is incurred continuously, not once per year.

Regardless, our constraint is cash, not PSR.
 
I still think we will end up with a front 3 of Cunha, Mbuemo and rashford.

Not that I think its a good idea, simply out of necessity.
 
MaMa given red said:
Who though?

Is it not quite telling that Chelsea and Barcelona have decided to look elsewhere? I can't see any interest from big clubs materialising and smaller clubs won't be able to afford him, so it's either drop the asking price or stick with him.
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We can't say if that's because we have ostracized him and displayed that he has an attitude that we want rid of. There was an offer from Chelsea supposedly in January, and there's rumours of Napoli being interested both in January and now, although they now want to pay less than was rumoured in January. That's due to us making it clear he's not wanted here, teams will now try and get him for a minimal fee.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
I don't think that's true, amortization is incurred continuously, not once per year.

Regardless, our constraint is cash, not PSR.
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This. Since PSR and FFP became a thing, people completely forgot that clubs don't have endless money.
 
P-Nut said:
Garnacho is a feck up on Amorims part, there was no need to make it so obvious there was no position for him in the squad.
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This comment is not true. Garnacho played plenty of minutes from when Amorim took over till the end of the season, probably the most in our attack... Rashford and Anthony he made obvious.

Also, this notion that if a player is dropped there is no position value drops is false.

Rashford, Anthony had good loan spells, their value has not increased.

Sancho was re-integrated by EtH last pre season and that done nothing to his value.

Oshimen has been outcasted by Napoli, yet they are still demanding 60m+.

Liverpool got £35m for Quansah who everyone knew is not part of Slot's plans...

But if Amorim drops a player for 1 game... he fecked up right?
 
The reality is we are broke. We have players wanting to come that we want to buy which we cannot afford. The most frustrating issue for me is the inability to shift out players, even players like Antony who had a great loan can't get a move away. The longer this drags on the more anger I feel towards Woodward, Murtogh and ETH. We used to be good at selling our youth players but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

Our players also didn't help themselves, like Garnacho leaking to press that Amorim to find a new club (asking a player you don't need to find a new club is courtesy and somehow it got spun out of hand) and now interested clubs are waiting for lowball us if there are any in first place.

Sancho and Rashford didn't help by performing poorly. Not sure what is happening with Antony. It is really frustrating but it is what it is. I cannot imagine any manager coming in to be able to do well.
 
P-Nut said:
If no one is willing to pay their wages there isn't much you can do. Garnacho is a feck up on Amorims part, there was no need to make it so obvious there was no position for him in the squad. Reckon he'd have loads of people wanting to pay 60M for him if they didn't think we were desperate to sell him.
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How so? Thought it was basic courtesy to let the player know in private to look for a new club. Other than the first time which he was dropped, Amorim has not said anything bad about Garnacho in public. I thought the feck up was on Garnacho or his brother's fault for leaking to the press.

Any interested club now knows we need to sell desperately to fund for incoming. They also know they can lowball or get us to pay their wages to get a risk free loan.
 
We need to hold firm here and take control. The situation is ridiculous.

4 players who need to leave holding all the cards.

I would put a statement out to the press noting that all 4 players will be reintegrated into the squad and will start the new season unless market values for players are met. Anything else is weak.

If the window ends and no sales are made then put them all in the reserve team for the remainder of their contracts. Bollox to it. Leave them to rot even if it costs us 40m per year.
 
RedCoffee said:
We need to hold firm here and take control. The situation is ridiculous.

4 players who need to leave holding all the cards.

I would put a statement out to the press noting that all 4 players will be reintegrated into the squad and will start the new season unless market values for players are met. Anything else is weak.

If the window ends and no sales are made then put them all in the reserve team for the remainder of their contracts. Bollox to it. Leave them to rot even if it costs us 40m per year.
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They all (maybe with the exception of Sancho) want to play in the World Cup next summer. We need to make it clear to them and their representatives that leaving the club on a permanent transfer is the only way they'll be able to make their respective squads.
 
I would say agents are telling United players to sit tight on the huge money as there might be a new manager early next season.
 
Are we surprised there are very few offers?

We are the most publicly scrutinized club in the world.

The whole world knows we want to sell Rashford/Sancho/Anthony/Garnacho/Malacia

The whole world knows we would accept offers for: Onana/Casemiro/Maguire

The whole world knows there are so many players at our club that have not made themselves "unsellable". Dalot/Shaw/Mount/Bayinder/Hojlund/Zirkzee/Ugarte have hardly impressed.

This is what happens when the club has been run by absolute fools for years and years. Who is going to pay the wages that we offer for consistent underperforming players? Garnacho/Sancho & Rashford have also become highly unlikeable questionable characters to boot.

On paper we easily need to sell 8-9 players from around the first team matchday squad - arguably more. That's so much work to do for a normal club > yet alone the absolute circus that we bring to the table.

Given all these players we need to see as an absolute priority - the only player even close to leaving via a paid transfer so far was Bruno. He wouldn't be up for sale even yet that's the closest we've come to a sale. Absolute shocking state of affairs we are dealing with here
 
Why would anyone buy a single one of our cast-offs until we're panicing and desperate at the end of the window?
 
At this rate we are better off selling players for £1m to other clubs and putting 80% sell on clause. Only way we seem to make money.
 
Yeah Antony should be the prime example for this…take whatever Betis can afford + a huge selling on fee.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
At this rate we are better off selling players for £1m to other clubs and putting 80% sell on clause. Only way we seem to make money.
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We need to have a mass clearance sale this summer and effectively just do whatever it takes to be rid of certain players, even if that means a small squad next season.

With no European football we can almost do a complete reset this summer and be ok if Cuhna and Mbeumo are the only additions.

I don't we are going to be top 4/5 but we can get back in to Europe either by winning a domestic cup or finished 6th/7th.

We need to be looking a a two year plan to be getting Champions league football and a 4 year plan to be competing for the title again.
 
We can't sell for shit but have some money come-in by the means of Chelsea not taking up the Sancho option and Elanga sell-on: a cool £11m in total. Yay!
 
I'm a little bit surprised we don't sell players more easily this window. Elanga, Fernandez, Scott. It's possible to do a good deal.
 
Sadly, we find ourselves once again trying to sell bang average players on ridiculous wages for decent prices.

Nobody wants to pay a decent price for cast-offs from a club who are notoriously easy to swindle. Nobody wants to pay decent money for players who are known to be difficult and not particularly good, and who you'd still have to pay a high wage to.

If we're selling these lads we are looking at something like:

Garnacho: £25-30m
Rashford: £10-15m
Sancho: £10-15m
Antony: £25-30m
Malacia: £25 (no m)
 
matsdf said:
I'm a little bit surprised we don't sell players more easily this window. Elanga, Fernandez, Scott. It's possible to do a good deal.
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I actually thought an Italian club or two would be more willing to buy our cast-offs after Scott's success with Napoli. Unfortunately, the ones we are trying to sell now are on obscene wages or total shit like Malacia and totally unsalable.

I think Garnacho is the only one we will be able to offload for decent money and that may help us buy either a striker or a midfielder.
 
Insanity said:
I actually thought an Italian club or two would be more willing to buy our cast-offs after Scott's success with Napoli. Unfortunately, the ones we are trying to sell now are on obscene wages or total shit like Malacia and totally unsalable.

I think Garnacho is the only one we will be able to offload for decent money and that may help us buy either a striker or a midfielder.
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I agree. The most worrying aspect of all of this is that the market for Garnacho is stone cold at the moment. In the case of the others they have all failed to some extent and are on wages ranging from high to obscene relative to their talent level. Garnacho has been reasonably successful and is on quite a low wage and yet unless something is happening very quietly it appears we have not even had an enquiry, let alone an actual bid.
 
Gandalf said:
I agree. The most worrying aspect of all of this is that the market for Garnacho is stone cold at the moment. In the case of the others they have all failed to some extent and are on wages ranging from high to obscene relative to their talent level. Garnacho has been reasonably successful and is on quite a low wage and yet unless something is happening very quietly it appears we have not even had an enquiry, let alone an actual bid.
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I think clubs are bidding their time. They know we need to raise money from sales to make more purchases after Mbeumo. They will strike late when they know they can get a better price than they can today. We are likely to get desperate and accept a lower fee than our current lofty valuation for him.
 
Pretty sad that the only money coming in has been from sell-on clauses from other clubs selling our ex players :lol:
 
Kaos said:
Pretty sad that the only money coming in has been from sell-on clauses from other clubs selling our ex players :lol:
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Maybe we should just contract other clubs to find buyers for our players, and give them a 10% finder's fee for their trouble :lol:
 
Rumours that Sancho is close to Juventus for 25m. That will be a great start. It will create good momentum for the rest.

Rashford now has higher chance to join Barca as William sign long term deal. Hopefully about 40m

I think Antony to Betis is done deal. The question is how much? About 20-30m.

Garnacho so far no solid link but hopefully one of the Italian clubs or Chelsea come in with maybe 50m?

Malacia is a difficult one. Hope a club from Dutch League willing to take him for 5m?

If everything goes smoothly we may be able to get 150m from our fire sales. Fingers crossed. Hope to use this funds for a CM and GK.
 
We're as bad selling as we are buying. So many pieces to he removed and brought in. We're fast approaching mid July and we've barely started
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Rumours that Sancho is close to Juventus for 25m. That will be a great start. It will create good momentum for the rest.

Rashford now has higher chance to join Barca as William sign long term deal. Hopefully about 40m

I think Antony to Betis is done deal. The question is how much? About 20-30m.

Garnacho so far no solid link but hopefully one of the Italian clubs or Chelsea come in with maybe 50m?

Malacia is a difficult one. Hope a club from Dutch League willing to take him for 5m?

If everything goes smoothly we may be able to get 150m from our fire sales. Fingers crossed. Hope to use this funds for a CM and GK.
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Sancho sounds like it might be imminent, and Rashford and Antony were always going to drag on due to the former’s wages and the latter’s amortisation. Malacia? He’s been crocked, was cheap and is fairly rubbish. Loan or permanent, it doesn’t really move the needle either way

I agree though, Garnacho is the worry. Thought he’d have been gone for a decent fee fairly early on but it seems very, very quiet. He’s young and not on big wages. Suspect it’ll be £35-40m up front with a load of add-ons and sell on clauses. Thought there’d be more movement by now though. Deathly silent.
 
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