The Greatest Club Footballers of all time

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Thanks! I was scrolling down the first, and then the second page, just waiting for someone to mention Charlton. Can't believe it took 74 posts!
Every time I watch an old Utd game Charlton oozes quality. Excellent close control and passing as well as his trade mark bullet of a shot.

Another great domestic player- Gabriel Batistuta. Consistently the best striker in Serie A at the time of seriously mean defences whilst playing for the relatively lowly Fiorentina
 

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OP updated to clear up what the thread should be about.
That's quite helpful. There's a difference between the greatest club players of all time (which is by and large the same as the greatest players of all time) and the greatest club players who had relatively non-existent or underwhelming international careers.
 

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Depends what you're judging on. If its on trophies won it's fairly easy to single out the greatest. Otherwise, I've been watching the game 25 years and I have never seen anyone as good as this guy was for those 2-3 years between Barcelona and Inter Milan.

Nowhere near as good as Ronaldo or Messi the last half decade.
 

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11 league titles
1 European cup (scored twice in the final from 3-3 to make it 5-3)
5 Taça de Portugal
9 Taca de Honra
3 taca ribeiro dos Reis

Ballon d'or
7 top goal scorer in Portugal
2 European golden boot
3 European cup top goal scorer
 

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Agree with those who say Messi and Di Stefano. Maybe Pele too. His club career is harder to measure, though he was the standout player in the top club side in the world in the first half of the 60's.
 

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I've seen plenty of him pre and post injury, nowhere near the level of Messi or CR7
Good grief.
He may not have hit the same level as Messi but he was certainly a whole lot better than " nowhere near the level". He was an amazing footballer at his peak, you do remember his nickname dont you?. There was a reason it was given.

Here you go, 14 minutes of his greatness. Passes, assists, goals, skills.

"nowhere near the level"

Jesus H Christ.
 
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Bit of a curveball because he hasn't won the CL, but Ibrahimovic has an impressive 12 league titles including 11 titles in consecutive years, from 4 different leagues and 6 clubs. Lots of individual honours, goal scoring achievements and domestic cup victories in there too.
 

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I've seen plenty of him pre and post injury, nowhere near the level of Messi or CR7
You wouldn't say that if you had. "nowhere near the level of"?? He was possibly the best striker the game has ever seen.
 

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Good grief.
He may not have hit the same level as Messi but he was certainly a whole lot better than " nowhere near the level". He was an amazing footballer at his peak, you do remember his nickname dont you?. There was a reason it was given.

Here you go, 14 minutes of his greatness. Passes, assists, goals, skills.

"nowhere near the level"

Jesus H Christ.
You wouldn't say that if you had. "nowhere near the level of"?? He was possibly the best striker the game has ever seen.
Occasionally he can be good, but lacked the consistency that Cristiano or Messi have.
 

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Wow. Honestly?, you clearly never watched him. "Occasionally he can be good" what a joke....
Is it a coincidence that he's never consistently scored the 50+ that those 2 have been doing for quite a few years now?

The problem with Luiz Ronaldo is that a lot of ppl are sentimental And judge him based on 'what could have been' rather than what he achieved.

He did a lot for Brazil, but if we're talking about club career only, he's nowhere near the level of Cristiano or Messi
 

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Is it a coincidence that he's never consistently scored the 50+ that those 2 have been doing for quite a few years now?

The problem with Luiz Ronaldo is that a lot of ppl are sentimental And judge him based on 'what could have been' rather than what he achieved.

He did a lot for Brazil, but if we're talking about club career only, he's nowhere near the level of Cristiano or Messi
You very clearly never ever watched him. This is getting embarrassing.
 

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Is it a coincidence that he's never consistently scored the 50+ that those 2 have been doing for quite a few years now?

The problem with Luiz Ronaldo is that a lot of ppl are sentimental And judge him based on 'what could have been' rather than what he achieved.

He did a lot for Brazil, but if we're talking about club career only, he's nowhere near the level of Cristiano or Messi
I'd like to see the team stats as well. Did his inter or real batter teams as much as the current Madrid/barca do? Hopefully one of the statmasters can tell us.
 

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I'd like to see the team stats as well. Did his inter or real batter teams as much as the current Madrid/barca do? Hopefully one of the statmasters can tell us.
The average goals scored and points won per game by the clubs during the players times at each club.

Ronaldo (Brazil)

Barcelona
96/97 2.47 gpg 2.14 points per game

Inter


97/98 1.82 gpg 2.03 points per game

98/99 1.93 gpg 1.35 points per game

Real Madrid

02/03 2.26 gpg 2.05 points per game

03/04 1.89 gpg 1.84 points per game

04/05 1.86 gpg 2.11 points per game

05/06 1.84 gpg 1.84 points per game


Cristiano Ronaldo

Real Madrid

09/10 2.68 gpg 2.53 points per game

10/11 2.68 gpg 2.42 points per game

11/12 3.18 gpg 2.63 points per game

12/13 2.71 gpg 2.23 points per game

13/14 2.73 gpg 2.29 points per game

Messi

Barcelona

08/09 2.76 gpg 2.29 points per game

09/10 2.58 gpg 2.61 points per game

10/11 2.5 gpg 2.53 points per game

11/12 3.0 gpg 2.39 points per game

12/13 3.03 gpg 2.63 points per game

13/14 2.63 gpg 2.29 points per game
 

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Not enough club medals for me.

From a brief look it seems Ronaldo only won 1 Lge Title during his (12) peak seasons, PSV thru Madrid, so I reckon we disqualify him.

Great player, mind.
 

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Occasionally he can be good, but lacked the consistency that Cristiano or Messi have.
I said from the start he wasnt consistent. He had two real untouchable seasons, and he was better than Cristiano and at least equal to Messi in terms of how unplayable he was in them. After that, he just became a normal world class player.
 

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The average goals scored and points won per game by the clubs during the players times at each club.
It would be more interesting to compare their share in the overall goal records of their teams though. Ronaldo never played in comparably strong teams that dominated their league that much.

Ronaldo's 25 goals in his first season at Inter were 40% of the 62 goals Inter scored that season. That tells us a lot more in comparison to Messi scoring 43 of Barca's 110 goals (39%) last season or Cristiano's 46 goals of Real's 121 (38%) when Real won the league.
 

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It would be more interesting to compare their share in the overall goal records of their teams though. Ronaldo never played in comparably strong teams that dominated their league that much.

Ronaldo's 25 goals in his first season at Inter were 40% of the 62 goals Inter scored that season. That tells us a lot more in comparison to Messi scoring 43 of Barca's 110 goals (39%) last season or Cristiano's 46 goals of Real's 121 (38%) when Real won the league.
I agree. The stats I posted show that Cristiano's Madrid and Messi's Barcelona are much more dominant and consistent than the teams the Brazilian Ronaldo played for. So saying that Cristiano/Messi is better than Brazilian Ronaldo because they scored more and have better stats isn't fair because it doesn't tell the entire story or put things into context. Madrid/Barcelona's teams are much more expensive and have much more strength in depth these days than the Inter/Barcelona/Madrid teams that Brazilian Ronaldo played for. Even without Messi/Ronaldo, Madrid and Barcelona would rack up high points and goals tallies IMO.
 

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I agree. The stats I posted show that Cristiano's Madrid and Messi's Barcelona are much more dominant and consistent than the teams the Brazilian Ronaldo played for. So saying that Cristiano/Messi is better than Brazilian Ronaldo because they scored more and have better stats isn't fair because it doesn't tell the entire story or put things into context. Madrid/Barcelona's teams are much more expensive and have much more strength in depth these days than the Inter/Barcelona/Madrid teams that Brazilian Ronaldo played for. Even without Messi/Ronaldo, Madrid and Barcelona would rack up high points and goals tallies IMO.
Madrid & Barca are more dominant because Messi and Cristiano score more goals, you can't just say they play for dominant teams and assume anyone could do what they do.
 

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I said from the start he wasnt consistent. He had two real untouchable seasons, and he was better than Cristiano and at least equal to Messi in terms of how unplayable he was in them. After that, he just became a normal world class player.
:lol: you're not going to bait me into another Cristiano v Messi argument. At no time during Luiz' club career was he ever as good as Cristiano's last 5 seasons
 

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Ronaldo (Brazilian)


Barcelona

96/97 season: Barcelona scored 102, Ronaldo scored 34 so that is 33% of his teams goals.

Inter

97/98 season: Inter scored 62, Ronaldo scored 25 so that is 40% of his teams goals.
98/99 seaason: Inter scored 59, Ronaldo scored 14 so that is 24% of hsi teams goals.

Real Madrid

02/03: Madrid scored 86, Ronaldo scored 23 so that is 26.74% of his teams goals.
03/04: Madrid scored 72, Ronaldo scored 24 so that is 33% of his teams goals.
04/05: Madrid scored 71, Ronaldo scored 21 so that is 30% of his teams goals.
05/06: Madrid scored 70, Ronaldo scored 14 so that is 20% of his teams goals.

Cristiano Ronaldo

Real Madrid

09/10: Madrid scored 102, Ronaldo scored 26 so that is 25% of his teams goals. Including assists (7) then he played his part in 32%.
10/11: Madrid scored 102, Ronaldo scored 40 so that is 39% of his teams goals. Including assists (10) then he played his part in 49%.
11/12: Madrid scored 121, Ronaldo scored 46 so that is 38% of his teams goals. Including assists (10) then he played his part in 48%.
12/13: Madrid scored 103, Ronaldo scored 34 so that is 33% of his teams goals. Including assists (10) then he played his part in 43%.
13/14: Madrid scored 104, Ronaldo scored 31 so that is 30% of his teams goals. Including assists (9) then he played his part in 38%.
14/15: Madrid scored 118, Ronaldo scored 48 so that is 41% of his teams goals. Including assists (16) then he played his part in 54%.

Messi

Barcelona

08/09: Barcelona scored 105, Messi scored 23 so that is 22% of his teams goals. Including assists (11) then he played his part in 32%.
09/10: Barcelona scored 98, Messi scored 34 so that is 35% of his teams goals. Including assists (10) then he played his part in 45%.
10/11: Barcelona scored 95, Messi scored 31 so that is 33% of hsi teams goals. Including assists (18) then he played his aprt in 52%.
11/12: Barcelona scored 114, Messi scored 50 so that is 44% of his teams goals. Including assists (15) then he played his part in 57%.
12/13: Barcelona scored 115, Messi scored 46 so that is 40% of his teams goals. Inlcuding assists (12) then he played his part in 50%.
13/14: Barcelona scored 100, Messi scored 28 so that is 28% of his teams goals. Including assists (11) then he played his part in 39%.
14/15: Barcelona scored 110, Messi scored 43 so that is 39% of his teams goals. Including assists (18) then he played his part in 55%.

I don't have the assist stats for Ronaldo (Brazilian). I think it was 6 assists in his season at Barcelona (but I am not sure if that is just in the league or in all competitions). Then again, even assists stats do not tell the whole story as if you play with better players and in a team that has lots of fire power up front then it is easier to get assists.
 
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Gerd Müller's and Franz Beckenbauer's influence at Bayern can't be overstated. Both played for Bayern in the 2nd division (back then called Regionalliga Süd) and helped Bayern to get promoted, to win our first international trophy (cup winners' cup in '67), our first Bundesliga title in '69 and our first European Cup in '74 (and of course two more the following two years). As kids they joined the clear number 2 club in Munich (1860 won the Bundesliga the year Müller joined Bayern), but retired as legends in one of the biggest clubs in the world.
But... but... Messi!
 

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@Balu clearly broke the thread in terms of accomplishments.

Not much time today but a few that deserve mentioning here:

Ricardo Bochini (Independiente, Argentina)



One-club man, 19 seasons at Independiente winning four league titles, five Libertadores, two Intercontinental and three Interamerican cups. Having more continental titles than league titles was in no small part a result of external factors: for half his career Argentina were under a military dictatorship and their leaders supported River. So much so that after he had the temerity of winning the league title for his club in absurd circumstances (several players getting sent off inexplicably in the deciding game, yet winniing with a sole goal from him) and being the fulcrum of Argentina's side leading up to the 1978 World Cup, the military leaders stepped in and got him removed from the squad.

Néstor Goncalvez (Peñarol, Uruguay)



Another one-club man, Goncálvez was a tough as nails defensive midfielder with an exceptional passing range who captained Peñarol throughout their most glorious and decorated period. Considered one of the 15 greatest teams of all time, Peñarol went toe-to-toe regularly with Santos, Real Madrid and Benfica and delivered: 9 league titles between 1958 and 1968, three Copa Libertadores wins, two Intercontinental Cup wins and won the only ever Intercontinental Cup Winners Supercup. After retiring he stayed at the club as a coach, heading Youth Development for almost fourty years now.

Alberto Spencer (Peñarol, Ecuador)



The centreforward of that same side, one of the most fearsome in the world and, at his peak, spoken of in the same breath as Pelé or Eusebio. Spencer was the top scorer in the first Copa Libertadores and never reliniquished the spot as the top scorer in Copa Libertadores history.

He was Ecuador's greatest player ever and, despite spending most of his career in Uruguay, turned down the chance to play for Uruguay several times, opting to slug it out amid dross in hope for a World Cup spot for his country. That's the sort of decission that erases you from the history books unless you are George Best or Ryan Giggs (and we know full well how much it weighs on their standing).

Luis Cubilla (Peñarol, Nacional and Olimpia, Paraguay)



A stocky, some would say podgy, wide forward full of pace, power and trickery. Luis Cubilla was one of the early stars of that same Peñarol side, got four league titles, two Libertadores, and after the Intercontinental Cup win against Benfica decided to follow the money. He was idolised at River, despite winnign nothing (courtesy of a Libertadores final loss against Peñarol), moved to Barcelona and failed spectacularly. He then returned to Peñarol rivals Nacional and delivered their first Libertadores win as well.

Several players would have similar claims to fame, what they didn't do was go on to have a successful management career, in which he got Olimpia of Paraguay to win the Copa Libertadores not just once (fluke) but twice.

Carlos "Beto" Cazsely (Colo-Colo, Chile)



Cazsely's wasn't as decorated a career. He played for Colo-Colo after all so only has a bunch of Chilean league titles. Yeah, exactly, but his story is still remarkable in a similar way to Bochini's. In these days where players throw tantrums about reporters asking about FIFA instead of headphones, let's take a moment to reminisce about a time when football players were real people with real problems.

He would have most likely been a one-club man, started his career in 1967, won two league titles up until 1973, but when Pinochet's men brought down the Allende government chaos ensued for anyone with socialist links. Cazsely's mother was kidnapped, tortured and beaten to a pulp. He tried to play those memories out of his mind in Spain betwween 1973 and 1978, but couldn't. So he returned to Colo-Colo, triumphantly and in barnstorming fashion. It must be noted Colo-Colo's flag sports an Indian, it's the working class' club, as opposed to all others named after Universities. Being the star man for the working class' club during a military dictatorship takes some character.

In 1979 he was the Copa América Best Player and in 1979, 80 and 81 the top scorer in the Chilean league... and throughout this he used his reputation and support among the people to defy the government, calling for them to vote against Pinochet in 1980 and eventually contributing to his downfall when he appeared along with his mother in a TV campaign telling her story. The entire spot is a woman telling yet another story of torture... then the camera zooms out to show Cazsely alongside her and saying "This is the story of my mother, and this is why I vote against the regime".

OK, maybe a bit off topic, but I was thinking about him and CR7s headphones and couldn't help myself.
 

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Nowhere near as good as Ronaldo or Messi the last half decade.
Better than both in terms of peak form. Better than any other footballer in history for that matter.

But since this is about club football, and IMO achievements is the main criteria, it's CR7 by a country mile.
 

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Better than both in terms of peak form. Better than any other footballer in history for that matter.

But since this is about club football, and IMO achievements is the main criteria, it's CR7 by a country mile.
Wow, a reply to a 6 year old message. I stand by my comment, Ronaldo & Messi's worst season during that period was better than Luiz Ronaldo's best ever season.
 

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Wow, a reply to a 6 year old message. I stand by my comment, Ronaldo & Messi's worst season during that period was better than Luiz Ronaldo's best ever season.
Either you are a kid or you know little about football if you think that. CR7 and Messi simply had better seasons career wise cause they played for the 2 best teams in the league, with incredible teammates, against far inferior opposition, and in an era where rules protect attacking players. Put Ronaldo in the teams they've played for and he would have scored 100 goals a season.
 

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Either you are a kid or you know little about football if you think that. CR7 and Messi simply had better seasons career wise cause they played for the 2 best teams in the league, with incredible teammates, against far inferior opposition, and in an era where rules protect attacking players. Put Ronaldo in the teams they've played for and he would have scored 100 goals a season.
He never did score 100 goals, did he? The argument is kinda moot, it's a "maybe".
Albeit R9 was a very good player, do you remember his(and Guti's) parties with 100 girls in Madrid? What do you think would have happened with him in this Instagram age?
You think he'd be an absolute god this days, don't think so.
 

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Don't see any strong arguments that Messi isn't the greatest club footballer of all time.
 

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He never did score 100 goals, did he? The argument is kinda moot, it's a "maybe".
He never did cause he never played for such a good team as Messi's Barcelona or CR7's Real Madrid, against far inferior defenders and opposition, with protection from rough tackles.

Albeit R9 was a very good player, do you remember his(and Guti's) parties with 100 girls in Madrid? What do you think would have happened with him in this Instagram age?
I'm talking about a motivated version who trains properly, not about a party monger.

You think he'd be an absolute god this days, don't think so.
I'd bet my life on him being almost unplayable these days.
 

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Don't see any strong arguments that Messi isn't the greatest club footballer of all time.
How about the fact that he couldn't do shit without Xavi and Iniesta ? Zero Champions Leagues without them.
CR7 did it in 3 different leagues, and has 5 Champions League trophies to Messi's 3.
 

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who cares what Luis Ronaldo would have been without injuries or if he had peak Barcelona/Real Madrid behind him. Reality is. he didn't had anything such and had an underwhelming club career when compared to the greatest club players of all times.
Thread is about players with greatest club career, not about who had the best peak, that Luis Ronaldo's name is popping up. There are atleast 10-20 players who have better club career than him, being key part of great club sides.