I explained to you why the people were kept in as you put it.
Then you started telling me what I was saying was bollocks as you knew best due to your girlfriend.
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I explained to you why the people were kept in as you put it.
Then you started telling me what I was saying was bollocks as you knew best due to your girlfriend.
I'm told the (police's) communication was shit. Many had no idea why they were detained, and they probably didn't know they could exit.
And I'm told they were detained from 16 to 23.
The violent demonstrators piss me off endlessly, btw. Counter-productive, selfish and brainless.
And I'm told they were detained from 16 to 23.
The violent demonstrators piss me off endlessly, btw. Counter-productive, selfish and brainless.
Yeah as that well-known lizard Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary, Denis O'Connor, described kettling: as "inadequate" and belonging to a "different era" of policing.
And?
So they want to twat the Police then be escorted to the exits
Perhaps some of the Bobbys were too busy picking up their injured colleagues to be directing people to the wide open streets behind them.
.. you shouldn't be doing it...!
I can gather you disagree with it, but until someone comes up with a better solution, it will remain.
No, the majority wanted to attend a peaceful demonstration and leave at their own free will.So they want to twat the Police then be escorted to the exits
There was quite a good solution for about 50 years - you let people protest then they have their say and get bored and go off to the pub or go home.
How many did?
How many turned up with face coverings?
What did they have to hide?
Thats the point, they could have left at their own free will had they stuck to what was arranged.
No it didn't. You'd like to think it gives you an excuse to police as you do now. Much of the 80s stuff was political policing not lawranoda too.
Peter, you strike me as the type of person that would come up to me and explain to me how to do my job, then go on to state that you pay my wages.
This type of person regularly gets told to feck off.
Maybe I have you wrong.
This type of person regularly gets told to feck off.
Maybe I have you wrong.
You're a public servant so you have to do the bidding of the public. If you wanna be a cnut you can go and work for private security.
You play the copper line 100% - as your posts prove - you don't allow any alternative view to be worthy of debate. You're basically PC Plod without any thought of his own.
Wooly liberals have been banging on for years about a more PR system - they're seeing the sort of government it would create and now they don't like it.
Though it seems to be more normal practice on the continent, I don't like them - they're fraught by indecision and the potential to become split by internal rifts at any time.
Give me a strong government through first past the post any day.
the daily mail at it's best - 'pure terror in her eyes'.pot n kettle comes to mind when I saw this - always felt you were a model of ojectivity here for the caff and again you have not disappointed
couldn't have said it better myself, spot on mate
UK universities has been asking extortionate amount of money from non-EU students for ages. Now they increased tuition fees for local students. I don't see any problems, we should all be equal.
Then they're incredibally stupid for not following the correct route. Perhaps we teach kids how to read maps at an earlier age.
I voted for Lib Dems and still remain satisfied that they're doing a good job. If the Tories weren't so hellbent on getting Trident up and running then this wouldn't be an issue. It also wouldn't be an issue if Labour hadn't signed the international help clause (bailing out the Irish). Its very easy to point the finger at the Lib Dems though
I think it's a atrocious that for an increasing amount of professions you require a Higher Education degrees BEFORE entering the work force. It never used to be like that. It should be something that comes later in life, after acquiring life skills and basic qualifications for your relevant line of work. Of course there's some professions like Doctors that were it's neccesary to have one, but needing a Batchelor degree to become a front line manager for example is a bit of joke.
This discussion is meandering to the events yesterday but the main issue is- is this the best way to fund higher education?
Can someone point me to the stats and figures.
Can someone point me to the stats and figures.
UK universities has been asking extortionate amount of money from non-EU students for ages. Now they increased tuition fees for local students. I don't see any problems, we should all be equal.
What? No. You should pay a premium for higher education in this country if you're from abroad - remember it's the taxes of people in this country that have worked hard to pay for the education system we have, it should benefit British Citizen's first and foremost.
I hate to say it, but international students have been subsidising the university sector in the UK for a long time - if they all leave, we have no universities.
You really are a fecking dickhead. Please tell me your best idea of policing the demonstrations isn't to let them do what they want till they get bored?
You should benefit first of course, but there is something interesting. The number of British students who get higher education is much less than other European countries. You pay taxes for such education system, but not many students continue tertiary education.
However, many overseas students choose UK universities for higher education and also English language. But they have been asked three or four times more than local students. It is ironic.
Waterboarding works. It doesn't mean it should be used.
Detaining people against their will for 6 or 7 hours on the grounds that they are part of a protest seems pretty dodgy legally to me. Surely it is a tactic that could be questioned in the courts?
Nail. Head.
Im wondering what motivation and pleasure these so called 'militant' types, who supposedly have nothing to do with the protest, get from pissing on Churchill's statue and smashing upto the place.
I can rationalise why students might do it, they are venting their anger, I might not agree that that is the most civil way to express anger but i understand it. EVen stuff like football hooliganism, I can understand, the need for belonging, 'bro-mance' and boys being boys and wanting to show who is stronger, there is some kind of primal thing going on there
But just what do these unrelated folk, who just turn up for fun and wreck their capital city and defile parts of their identity and culture get out of it? Whats in it for them?
Any ideas?
I can rationalise why students might do it, they are venting their anger, I might not agree that that is the most civil way to express anger but i understand it. EVen stuff like football hooliganism, I can understand, the need for belonging, 'bro-mance' and boys being boys and wanting to show who is stronger, there is some kind of primal thing going on there
But just what do these unrelated folk, who just turn up for fun and wreck their capital city and defile parts of their identity and culture get out of it? Whats in it for them?
Any ideas?
That the problem, they are not part of a protest, they are actually part of a riot.
Massive difference.
As said numerous times now, if the genuine protesters had stuck to the agreement an planned route, they would not have got themseleves caught in the containment.
Religion: I have a question.
Haven't read the thread so sorry if this has already been discussed, but if they find the people who caused some of the damage can they make those people pay the cost of repairing the damge that they personally caused.
Such as the ones who broke the windows....can they make them pay for the total cost of replacing these windows?
Haven't read the thread so sorry if this has already been discussed, but if they find the people who caused some of the damage can they make those people pay the cost of repairing the damge that they personally caused.
Such as the ones who broke the windows....can they make them pay for the total cost of replacing these windows?
These sorts of images make no sense to me.
So the logic of these modern day bravehearts is to fight against the police until they get whacked unconscious, knowing full well that its the same policeman who will then carry him off the battlefield and get him medical attention.
Feel very sorry for the police in all this and think they are doing the best job they can. They basically have both arms tied behind there backs. We saw what happened in Bangkok a few months back when you play the game too nicely.
I happen to sympathise with the students and think they are acting in the only way possible to make themselves heard so i don't have too much issue with them causing the current government as much hassle as possible. But as a Government, if you dont want to listen to the people, then let your police do their job properly.
Totally bizarre.
Many, many points I'd like to make on this but for clarification on the events of the day:
As soon as the demo entered parliament square police lines formed on every exit, however most of these lines remained "pourous" until just before 4pm when for no apparent reason they got shut off. To be fair there had been a bit of conflict by this point but nothing worth getting excited about - nothing that left anything more than a few bruises on either side.
As usual as soon as the kettle was in place those that wanted to kick off felt they had carte blanche to do so (and I refer to both protesters and coppers with that) and those protesters that didn't necessarily turn up seeking conflict felt they were justified in using vandalism to voice their objection and violence to try and rectify the situation. There was about a 15 minute period on Whitehall just after seven where it was something of a free for all. The police seemed unsure of whether to fall back or hold firm under mounting pressure and as a result some of them stayed and got, understandably, very fecking violent in a pretty hostile situation and the rest ran back. They eventually regrouped and took the road back pretty easily.
I was in the kettle until half seven when I was let out in one corner where FIT were insisting everyone who wanted to leave be filmed and photographed (despite no legal justification for doing so). I know people who didn't get off Westminster bridge til nearer midnight. It seems the police did a bloody good job of letting everyone who was a bit more "spikey" out pretty early, either through their 2 at a time dispersal system or by just having their lines broken, and containing groups of largely peaceful protesters until much later, which seems an odd tactic.
I will say I was impressed at how quickly a lot of the kids had learned simple disorder tactics. Keeping in mind the vast majority of these students had never been on a protest until a month or so back the knowledge of line breaking, effective missiles and things like reinforced banners was something many thousands had obviously gone out of their way to learn. Make no mistake, the "small minority" of people who just turned up for a ruck doubtlessly existed but it was in fact the vast majority of attendees who were willing to take direct action and use force to make their point and then, later, resist the police.
As soon as the demo entered parliament square police lines formed on every exit, however most of these lines remained "pourous" until just before 4pm when for no apparent reason they got shut off. To be fair there had been a bit of conflict by this point but nothing worth getting excited about - nothing that left anything more than a few bruises on either side.
As usual as soon as the kettle was in place those that wanted to kick off felt they had carte blanche to do so (and I refer to both protesters and coppers with that) and those protesters that didn't necessarily turn up seeking conflict felt they were justified in using vandalism to voice their objection and violence to try and rectify the situation. There was about a 15 minute period on Whitehall just after seven where it was something of a free for all. The police seemed unsure of whether to fall back or hold firm under mounting pressure and as a result some of them stayed and got, understandably, very fecking violent in a pretty hostile situation and the rest ran back. They eventually regrouped and took the road back pretty easily.
I was in the kettle until half seven when I was let out in one corner where FIT were insisting everyone who wanted to leave be filmed and photographed (despite no legal justification for doing so). I know people who didn't get off Westminster bridge til nearer midnight. It seems the police did a bloody good job of letting everyone who was a bit more "spikey" out pretty early, either through their 2 at a time dispersal system or by just having their lines broken, and containing groups of largely peaceful protesters until much later, which seems an odd tactic.
I will say I was impressed at how quickly a lot of the kids had learned simple disorder tactics. Keeping in mind the vast majority of these students had never been on a protest until a month or so back the knowledge of line breaking, effective missiles and things like reinforced banners was something many thousands had obviously gone out of their way to learn. Make no mistake, the "small minority" of people who just turned up for a ruck doubtlessly existed but it was in fact the vast majority of attendees who were willing to take direct action and use force to make their point and then, later, resist the police.
They would get locked up. Either for the criminal damage or violent disorder depending on exactly what they were doing.
It is down to the courts really what sentencing they get, and dependent on their previous convictions.
And that's where the whole system falls down
I've corrected the couple of words you got wrong.