The left-winger market…

[DWelbz19]

I don't really watch that and think he's the profile we need on the left wing. He looks like he enjoys having the freedom to cut inside and dribble with the ball wherever he likes, a bit like Cunha. I think we should be looking at someone rapid who can run at defenders or get in behind on counters, similar to what Rashford could do at his best.

Agreed. I don’t think Ndiaye is the answer.

 

[JE-0801]

Cunha pissing me off today. Surely can't be the instruction to have him completely abandon the left side like he has today. We need a proper left winger to give us threat on both wings, not like today where it's so right side concentrated.

If Dorgu was the left back, Cunha would have been fine on the left because Dorgu can provide the width. The only wingers in our team that provide width is Amad and Dorgu, so for that reason we will need another winger who has quick feet and can dribble and beat his man. This type of player could help us to beat the low block. At the moment, we only have one player who has quick feet and likes to beat his man one v one on the wing is Amad.

 

[JE-0801]

I don't really watch that and think he's the profile we need on the left wing. He looks like he enjoys having the freedom to cut inside and dribble with the ball wherever he likes, a bit like Cunha. I think we should be looking at someone rapid who can run at defenders or get in behind on counters, similar to what Rashford could do at his best.

Ndiaye often stays wide like Amad or any other wingers, then cuts inside and dribble. Cunha often stays inside like an attacking midfielder in midfield 3 or a no 10, turn and carry the ball forward. 2 different profiles IMO. One is winger, the other one seems to be more a forward or no 10.

 

[goldenboy]

1: Why can't Lacey, Amad too, be considered to ocasionally play from the left ? Why would you consider this detrimental to his development, his quality, his career? This needn't be for 90mins..you know that, right? You know players can interchange, during a game, especially attacking players? Or maybe you think that stopped in 1995?

When did I say it was "detrimental" to their development? I said it was utterly pointless. And it is. Messi, Salah, Mahrez etc. didn't need to switch to the left-wing in order to develop in to the top-tier players in their position. And the clubs who had such top-tier players didn't waste them by putting them where they were less effective. How often did Liverpool or Barca swap Salah and Messi to the opposite flank?...

Even though it may not be detrimental to the players' development, it's still ultimately a waste of their abilities to play them in their less effective position, and detrimental to the club in filling a spot with a square peg.

It wouldn't only be "occasionally" either - if you did try and start Amad and Lacey as the two wingers, then every single minute they were on the pitch together you'd have to play one player out of position stuck on the left flank. Again, going a whole match with a player as a square peg is detrimental to the team.

2: re Foden: you clearly know more than Pep Guardiola. I don't. And that's your opinion, which is fine, all subjective etc...

It's very rare that Pep actually puts Foden wide left. Even the few occasions nowadays when he's on paper the left sided attacker, in reality he comes narrow and acts as a 10. The few times Foden was tried wide left by Southgate for England to try and shoe-horn him in to the side, he didn't really work there.

3: May I also assume, based on your responses, that you think Carrick and his coaching staff, have got it completely wrong, and Dorgu, playing on the left side of midfield and attack, has been an error? Has made our team, actually, worst? It destabilises our team, rather than providing some balance? And that Dorgu would be far better playing from the right, correct?

Dorgu played all of 3 matches there, the first of which was out of necessity with Mbeumo and Amad still at the Afcon.

As I have said a couple of times before though - if your brain is actually capable of ever remembering anything I say - I did state that in order for a player to really be effective playing as a winger on the same side as their favoured foot nowadays, they need excellent pace in order to be able to beat their full-back down the outside. If they don't have this then they hit a dead-end with the ball as they can't burst forwards beyond the defence. Dorgu, as I pointed out, does at least have the pace to get round the outside sometimes. Lacey however, does not have Dorgu's speed to get round the outside of the full-back.

At this early stage in Dorgu's Utd career, I don't know what his favoured position is tbh, whether it's even as a winger or full-back.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

PSG got Kvara & Doue who can play LW, Dembele is the RW. they need a proper striker, so maybe we can tempt them to sells us Barcola so they can fund a move for a top striker.

I think Barcola will easily become the best LW in the world in the next few years

 

[Ish]

I see we're linked with Kerim Alabejgovic today. No nothing about the lad, other than he's a 2-footed, talented Bosnian (mostly) left-winger playing at RB Salzburg but Leverkusen has a buy back clause?

Anyone know much about him potential wise etc? I'd assume it's probably another Vivell driven link - assuming there are any credible links of course. @bosnian_red

Didn't want to start a new thread as I haven't checked if any of the links are credible.

 

[bosnian_red]

I see we're linked with Kerim Alabejgovic today. No nothing about the lad, other than he's a 2-footed, talented Bosnian (mostly) left-winger playing at RB Salzburg but Leverkusen has a buy back clause?

Anyone know much about him potential wise etc? I'd assume it's probably another Vivell driven link - assuming there are any credible links of course. @bosnian_red

Didn't want to start a new thread as I haven't checked if any of the links are credible.

Leverkusen activated their €8m buy back clause for this summer, I doubt they would sell him right away.

IMO he's a potential world class player though. Has it all. Has good composure for his age already, excellent dribbling, really good delivery/passing/shooting, can shoot or cross with either foot, can take players on, create, score all types of goals, and has shown next level confidence in the world Cup quals playoffs by taking the decisive penalty against Wales and scoring a pen against Italy as well. He was a sub in both games to change the game against tired defenders because he only recently turned 18 so obviously still have to use him cautiously. Can play as a #10 or a left winger, mostly used out wide at the early stages of his career. Doesn't have Rashford level pace, probably more Garnacho level pace but far more refined technically.

Far too soon for him to move to the prem though, but IMO he's going to be what Liverpool fans thought they were getting when they signed Wirtz. Think he's destined for a top top club. Was a top talent at Leverkusens academy and has had an excellent season at Salzburg. Leverkusen would be dumb to sell him on a cheap without even developing him for a year as his price will skyrocket after the world Cup and after a year or 2 in the Bundesliga without a doubt.

 

[Ish]

Leverkusen activated their €8m buy back clause for this summer, I doubt they would sell him right away.

IMO he's a potential world class player though. Has it all. Has good composure for his age already, excellent dribbling, really good delivery/passing/shooting, can shoot or cross with either foot, can take players on, create, score all types of goals, and has shown next level confidence in the world Cup quals playoffs by taking the decisive penalty against Wales and scoring a pen against Italy as well. He was a sub in both games to change the game against tired defenders because he only recently turned 18 so obviously still have to use him cautiously. Can play as a #10 or a left winger, mostly used out wide at the early stages of his career. Doesn't have Rashford level pace, probably more Garnacho level pace but far more refined technically.

Far too soon for him to move to the prem though, but IMO he's going to be what Liverpool fans thought they were getting when they signed Wirtz. Think he's destined for a top top club. Was a top talent at Leverkusens academy and has had an excellent season at Salzburg. Leverkusen would be dumb to sell him on a cheap without even developing him for a year as his price will skyrocket after the world Cup and after a year or 2 in the Bundesliga without a doubt.

Thanks bud. Yeah, the age is definitely a surprise since we were linked but probably one of those with 'world class potential' so if you could get him for a good price now....it's worth the risk. Probably best for him to develop elsewhere further for now - but a move and loaning him back could have worked for us....if we didn't have to spend the GDP of a few countries on revamping our midfield this summer! Will definitely keep an eye on his development. I'm surprised RB Salzburg agreed to such a low buy back clause with Leverkusen....seen as they're both clubs keen on developing talent and selling high.

 

[bosnian_red]

Thanks bud. Yeah, the age is definitely a surprise since we were linked but probably one of those with 'world class potential' so if you could get him for a good price now....it's worth the risk. Probably best for him to develop elsewhere further for now - but a move and loaning him back could have worked for us....if we didn't have to spend the GDP of a few countries on revamping our midfield this summer! Will definitely keep an eye on his development. I'm surprised RB Salzburg agreed to such a low buy back clause with Leverkusen....seen as they're both clubs keen on developing talent and selling high.

Here's a video of his year.... Pretty good showcase. Did really well vs Villa in the Europa League as well.

The sale with the low buy back was probably more a loan avoidance thing. He was seen as a huge talent for them last year and it always seemed like they just wanted him to get some game time at Salzburg before returning.

Style wise last year I compared him to Wirtz, but having seen more of him id say he's more goal oriented and definitely quicker, also more two footed while Wirtz is more a playmaker. Main question for him is how he adapts to physicality in higher leagues but I'm not worried about that to be honest. Think he's a star.

 

[Ish]

Here's a video of his year.... Pretty good showcase. Did really well vs Villa in the Europa League as well.

The sale with the low buy back was probably more a loan avoidance thing. He was seen as a huge talent for them last year and it always seemed like they just wanted him to get some game time at Salzburg before returning.

Style wise last year I compared him to Wirtz, but having seen more of him id say he's more goal oriented and definitely quicker, also more two footed while Wirtz is more a playmaker. Main question for him is how he adapts to physicality in higher leagues but I'm not worried about that to be honest. Think he's a star.

Thanks bud. Yes that’s the video I watched when I had to google him earlier! Seems a really big talent - scoring a wide range of goals/assists and off both feet as well. He’ll definitely benefit from staying and developing another couple of years versus moving to a big club right now. Will be interesting to see how the likes of him and Diomande (a bit further along in his development) etc develop over the next 3-4 years.

 

[dinostar77]

Brighton to pull off another transfer steal?

Wait hold up, Brighton are getting this guy? I thought he was the next big thing and the big clubs will be sniffing around. Why aren't we in for him?

 

[RedKnight88]

Eduardo Conceicao

He looks Estevao-esque talent. From Palmeiras too. Very special potential.

 

[dinostar77]

Any suggestions on realistic left sided Amad like players?

 

[Bastian]

Jan Virgili. Linked with a return to Barcelona. His technique and low centre of gravity is beautiful to watch. He's also 19.

 

[IrishRedDevil]

Any suggestions on realistic left sided Amad like players?

Ndiaye is very much like Amad.

I would prefer a player with more goals though.

 

[RedKnight88]

Jan Virgili. Linked with a return to Barcelona. His technique and low centre of gravity is beautiful to watch. He's also 19.

A lot of Barca fans hype him up a lot. Although for selfish reasons I hope this isn't true, and they go for Rashford instead.