The left-winger market…

[croadyman]

Summerville looks a threat every time I’ve seen him. Good in 1v1s and tight spaces. If West Ham go down, we should be able to get him for a decent fee

Yeah would definitely take him as there is no doubt he's far too good to play in championship

Dorgu should be consider as LB and only occasionally play LW because of special need. He just does not have the quality of a LW that can beat his man and attack. He is more of a Ji Sung, Park. Ideally we could go and find ourselves some LW that can play both LW and Forward. Best case scenario for us because really our squad are not up to par if we even just want to have some deep run into the cups competiton next year. After the 11, we can see that the quality are not there even just to back up. So we need more versatile players that can cover positions.

With the names that we link with, Leao is a worthy consideration if most of our targets are not gettable. He has his flaws but also his quality. For me, it just a worthy speculation like what PSG did with Dembele. Potential upside is huge if can get him be consistence and reduce his flaw to an acceptable amount. Again, he is like a last resort for me if we want to gamble on that.

Hmmm maybe a swap plus cash deal involving Zirkzee

 

[Pat Evra]

My pick would be Ndiaye. Hard-working, all-round good player, really exciting to watch. I don´t know how much would Everton want for him, but could be affordable, I think.

 

[Marwood]

I honestly wonder if we just blame Amorim for Rashford situation and take him back now. It feels like we have absolutely no one outside of our starting eleven that can impact a game. I fear we have given ourselves too much to do in one summer.

Rashford has thrown in horrible seasons under ETH, Ole and Rangnick. He isn't just an Amorim problem.

You simply can't bank on a player like Rashford. We have to learn lessons with these guys.

Get a younger, hungrier player in.

 

[ATXRedDevil]

IF the price was lower and we didn't have more pressing issues in midfield then could have seen it

I’m starting to come around to the train of thought that we should be all in on this guy. Seems like the next big thing on the wing and can play both sides. If we went all CMs and Diamonde maybe plus a free transfer or two I think that may be the best allocation of resources and can buy a long term LB next summer and use Cunha and Mbuemo as backup strikers (assuming we don’t get a veteran on a free).

 

[Skills]

Any chance psg let go of Barcola?

 

[macheda14]

Any chance psg let go of Barcola?

Some rumours that yes and that Arsenal are going for him. Not strong rumours but seems to be slowly building steam.

 

[Rozay]

I’m starting to come around to the train of thought that we should be all in on this guy. Seems like the next big thing on the wing and can play both sides. If we went all CMs and Diamonde maybe plus a free transfer or two I think that may be the best allocation of resources and can buy a long term LB next summer and use Cunha and Mbuemo as backup strikers (assuming we don’t get a veteran on a free).

Jacobs has been saying for months that Leipzig’s 100m stance is likely posturing and teams expect it to come down to about 60m come summer. I just believe we will make a move at that price. If we let go of Rashford for half of that, plus his exorbitant wage - we’d probably level out anyway.

 

[IrishRedDevil]

My pick would be Ndiaye. Hard-working, all-round good player, really exciting to watch. I don´t know how much would Everton want for him, but could be affordable, I think.

Doesn't score enough goals. We already have Amad who is very similar and also lacks output.

 

[croadyman]

I’m starting to come around to the train of thought that we should be all in on this guy. Seems like the next big thing on the wing and can play both sides. If we went all CMs and Diamonde maybe plus a free transfer or two I think that may be the best allocation of resources and can buy a long term LB next summer and use Cunha and Mbuemo as backup strikers (assuming we don’t get a veteran on a free).

That ability to play both sides would be so useful, maybe the mess at scousers means we could lure him

 

[Rozay]

This is the most important need after midfield for me.

 

[croadyman]

This is the most important need after midfield for me.

Who do you think we should sign?

 

[DWelbz19]

It’s an awkward market, for sure. Diomande is killing the Bundesliga this season but it’s such an unquantified risk. Doesn’t he play more on the right, though?

Ndiaye lacks end product and whilst he has supreme control is close spaces I don’t think he really solves our 1v1 issues.

Rogers has end product but I don’t think he offers much we don’t have.

Barcola is an interesting option but I don’t think he’s high up our list.

Milka Godts looks far too slow for me. It’s a very weak Ajax and Eredivisie level right now — I don’t think he’s better than Antony was.

Who does that leave? Anyone else we’ve been scouting?

 

[Rozay]

Who do you think we should sign?

Diomande.

 

[croadyman]

Diomande.

Same here, however price could be stumbling block

 

[jesperjaap]

Rashford has thrown in horrible seasons under ETH, Ole and Rangnick. He isn't just an Amorim problem.

You simply can't bank on a player like Rashford. We have to learn lessons with these guys.

Get a younger, hungrier player in.

Agree

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

It'd appear that Yan Diomande has told Kicker that he will stay at Leipzig next season in an interview published yesterday.



Think this would be a smart move from him even though I would love to see him at Old Trafford. With this in mind, I wouldn't be gutted if we went after a more versatile forward option rather than a pure wide-forward now. Still not massively sold on the idea of Dorgu being out only back-up to Cunha on the left, though.

 

[jesperjaap]

Seems to me majority of names mentioned are under the level of Cunha. Rogers, ndiaye for example.
Seems to me the options to possibly improve us are:
Barcola - think will be bidding war
Diomande - same

Or we take an even bigger gamble on someone like conceicao who would cost less and looks physically ready despite so young with real star potential.

Personally i really like cunha though he blows bit hot and cold and isnt an out and out winger, hes a quality starter.

Still think sensible route is someone like monga or mateus mane. Cunhas being over analysed for me. Same with dorgu...for me we have more options down the right side, but players good enough are all down our left side. Rather a quality rb and more options on the left tha
n huge signing

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

Genuinely love to see Diomande do it second season then decide to shell out the heavy price

 

[goldenboy]

Summerville looks a threat every time I’ve seen him. Good in 1v1s and tight spaces. If West Ham go down, we should be able to get him for a decent fee

Yeah would definitely take him as there is no doubt he's far too good to play in championship

Only 5 goals 1 assist in 2400 minutes.

Cunha got 15 goals 6 assists in 2600 minutes for 16th placed Wolves last season.

That's not really the level of output United should to be targeting ideally.

 

[goldenboy]

Seems to me majority of names mentioned are under the level of Cunha. Rogers, ndiaye for example.

Rogers basically has an identical G+A per minute to Cunha this season (1 every 205 minutes, vs Cunha's every 209 minutes).

 

[croadyman]

Genuinely love to see Diomande do it second season then decide to shell out the heavy price

Yeah that would be ideal

 

[Invictus]

It'd appear that Yan Diomande has told Kicker that he will stay at Leipzig next season in an interview published yesterday.



Think this would be a smart move from him even though I would love to see him at Old Trafford. With this in mind, I wouldn't be gutted if we went after a more versatile forward option rather than a pure wide-forward now. Still not massively sold on the idea of Dorgu being out only back-up to Cunha on the left, though.

In a way, Diomandé staying put at RB Leipzig might work out just fine in our favor. Considering how much he was going to cost (£80-100 million, so roughly 35-40% of our envisaged buget for the summer), we could reallocate to make meaningful upgrades in midfield and/or defense — and move for him next summer, as a cherry on top of a more well-prepared cake.

That £80-100 million should be enough to sign a good fullback and a good centerback, if the analysis is up to scratch. Or to make a more serious move for Anderson, now that Guardiola is out of the picture.

Would still love for us to add a young, relatively cheap, “two-footed” and dribbling-oriented wide attacker in the upcoming window, mind you. For example, there are reports of Roma signing Alajbegović for £20-25 million. Vivell must be keenly aware of him, given his Bundesliga and RB Salzburg background.

Perhaps we could swoop in to sign Alajbegović and use him behind Cunha, as the former continues to develop physically and fine-tunes his decision-making to, hopefully, deliver on his potential and emerge as a real difference-maker at Premier League and Champions League level in 1-2-3 years. Then go all out for Diomandé in 2027, and use him as the right-sided wide attacker.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Only 5 goals 1 assist in 2400 minutes.

Cunha got 15 goals 6 assists in 2600 minutes for 16th placed Wolves last season.

That's not really the level of output United should to be targeting ideally.

Agree with this. Just mentioned him as an option. There aren’t many available left wingers with the required output tbf so I think Summerville should at least be on the short list

 

[croadyman]

In a way, Diomandé staying put at RB Leipzig might work out in our favor. Considering how much he was going to cost (£80-100 million, so roughly 35-40% of our envisaged buget for the summer), we could reallocate to make meaningful upgrades in defense — and move for him next summer, as a cherry on top of a more well-prepared cake.

That £80-100 million should be enough to sign a good fullback and a good centerback, if the analysis is up to scratch. Or to make a more serious move for Anderson, now that Guardiola is out of the picture.

Would still love for us to add a young, relatively cheap, “two-footed” and dribbling-oriented wide attacker in the upcoming window, mind you. For example, there are reports of Roma signing Alajbegović for £20-25 million. Vivell must be keenly aware of him, given his Bundesliga and RB Salzburg background.

Perhaps we could swoop in to sign Alajbegović and use him behind Cunha, as the former continues to develop physically and fine-tunes his decision-making to, hopefully, deliver on his potential and emerge as a real difference-maker at Premier League and Champions League level in 1-2-3 years. Then go all out for Diomandé in 2027, and use him as the right-sided wide attacker.

How about Summerville as can't see West Ham asking Fernandes level money for him. We could then like you say go all in for Diomande next summer. I wouldn't rule out the scousers still making a move for him to replace Salah

 

[Invictus]

How about Summerville as can't see West Ham asking Fernandes level money for him. We could then like you say go all in for Diomande next summer. I wouldn't rule out the scousers still making a move for him to replace Salah

With due respect to Summerville (I'm sure he is a good professional who works very hard on his craft and doesn't deserve unprovoked criticism), Manchester United needs to aim higher. We don't just need tactical variance or credible depth behind Cunha or Mbeumo, we need players who can challenge the order and be part of the elite bracket for the position (as neither Cunha nor Mbeumo are.)

After a certain point, you only get diminishing returns with the signing of above-average or even good Premier League players (like Summerville), and need to actively prioritize top-shelf quality rather than more of the same in quantity. We're not well-positioned to add an immediate dose of top-shelf quality. The best wide attackers are already at major clubs and beyond our reach: Lamine Yamal, Kvaratskhelia, Vinícius, Olise and so forth. They are not genuine options, in all likelihood.

Considering that, we might want to aim for players who are not there but could get there, eventually. Summerville doesn't quite fall into that category — he turns 25 in a few months, so what you see is what you are going to get, by and large. And what you see doesn't quite move the needle for the club. We have a rich history with wide attackers, from Best to Giggs to Cristiano, among others, and our squad should appropriately reflect that “heritage”.

That's where the likes of Diomandé and Alajbegović enter the picture. Diomandé is already one of the best dribblers and wide attackers at non-elite clubs at age 19 (with 21 goals + assists in 2600 minutes of football), so a blatantly obvious option with the short, medium and long term in mind. Alajbegović is a bit behind with regard to impact and development but coming along quite nicely (Top 10 for dribbles in the Europa League at age 18 and 18 goals + assists in 2700 minutes of football). These are talents who could feasibly move the needle for us.

Just to highlight how good actually elite wide attackers are...

• Lamine Yamal is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 39 goals + assists this season
• Kvaratskhelia is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 31 goals + assists this season even though he doesn't play all the time
• Olise is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 50 goals + assists this season

We too need excellent dribblers and playmakers who could compare with them for production, if not exactly match them. Shoot, we don't need to look other clubs and their players. Think of the last Manchester United team to win the Champions League. Rooney, Cristiano, Tévez, Scholes, Carrick, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidić, Van der Sar. Absurd levels of individual quality. That needs to to our benchmark and source of inspiration, over the next 3-4 years of building and rebuilding and development.

 

[Rozay]

With due respect to Summerville (I'm sure he is a good professional who works very hard on his craft and doesn't deserve unprovoked criticism), Manchester United needs to aim higher. We don't just need tactical variance or credible depth behind Cunha or Mbeumo, we need players who can challenge the order and be part of the elite bracket for the position (as neither Cunha nor Mbeumo are.)

After a certain point, you only get diminishing returns with the signing of above-average or even good Premier League players (like Summerville), and need to actively prioritize top-shelf quality rather than more of the same in quantity. We're not well-positioned to add an immediate dose of top-shelf quality. The best wide attackers are already at major clubs and beyond our reach: Lamine Yamal, Kvaratskhelia, Vinícius, Olise and so forth. They are not genuine options, in all likelihood.

Considering that, we might want to aim for players who are not there but could get there, eventually. Summerville doesn't quite fall into that category — he turns 25 in a few months, so what you see is what you are going to get, by and large. And what you see doesn't quite move the needle for the club. We have a rich history with wide attackers, from Best to Giggs to Cristiano, among others, and our squad should appropriately reflect that “heritage”.

That's where the likes of Diomandé and Alajbegović enter the picture. Diomandé is already one of the best dribblers and wide attackers at non-elite clubs at age 19 (with 21 goals + assists in 2600 minutes of football), so a blatantly obvious option with the short, medium and long term in mind. Alajbegović is a bit behind with regard to impact and development but coming along quite nicely (Top 10 for dribbles in the Europa League at age 18 and 18 goals + assists in 2700 minutes of football). These are talents who could feasibly move the needle for us.

Just to highlight how good actually elite wide attackers are...

• Lamine Yamal is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 39 goals + assists this season
• Kvaratskhelia is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 31 goals + assists this season even though he doesn't play all the time
• Olise is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 50 goals + assists this season

We too need excellent dribblers and playmakers who could compare with them for production, if not exactly match them. Shoot, we don't need to look other clubs and their players. Think of the last Manchester United team to win the Champions League. Rooney, Cristiano, Tévez, Scholes, Carrick, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidić, Van der Sar. Absurd levels of individual quality. That needs to to our benchmark and source of inspiration, over the next 3-4 years of building and rebuilding and development.

Right as always.

I wonder if we could potentially do a loan deal for Leao. If AC Milan miss out on the CL on the final day, it might be possible. He’s a player you’d want to test drive. His shortcomings are well documented, but also - his quality is undeniable. He has elite talent, so our challenge would be to see if we can motivate or extract it from him regularly enough to decide on a permanent move. It would be no different to Barcelona taking a player of Rashford’s stature on loan.

 

[LukeTheRed]

I’d be taking a look at Sarr - he can play either side which I think is what we need.

Has pace to burn and an eye for goal.

 

[ron86]

Genuinely love to see Diomande do it second season then decide to shell out the heavy price

Same, but in reality he will have signed somewhere else by then

 

[Smudger22587]

Seen a few links with Tzolis recently, good numbers albeit in the Belgium league but anyone have any idea what kind of player he is and how he'd fit in?

 

[Bobby_2024]

LW

Yan Diomande
Barcola
Ndiaye
Rogers
Ander Barrenetxea
Karim Adeyemi
Christos Tzolis

Don't want another fair weather player like Rafael Leão from Milan

If we have money after signing midfield, I go for Yan/Barcola/Rogers but on less budget I go to Ander Barrenetxea OR Karim Adeyemi

 

[bringbackbebe]

Why are Adeyemi and Diomande expected to do better than Wirtz and Sancho? Is it because their pace and physical attributes make them more suitable to PL - or their ability to fit our fast transitions?

 

[Apokalips]

With due respect to Summerville (I'm sure he is a good professional who works very hard on his craft and doesn't deserve unprovoked criticism), Manchester United needs to aim higher. We don't just need tactical variance or credible depth behind Cunha or Mbeumo, we need players who can challenge the order and be part of the elite bracket for the position (as neither Cunha nor Mbeumo are.)

After a certain point, you only get diminishing returns with the signing of above-average or even good Premier League players (like Summerville), and need to actively prioritize top-shelf quality rather than more of the same in quantity. We're not well-positioned to add an immediate dose of top-shelf quality. The best wide attackers are already at major clubs and beyond our reach: Lamine Yamal, Kvaratskhelia, Vinícius, Olise and so forth. They are not genuine options, in all likelihood.

Considering that, we might want to aim for players who are not there but could get there, eventually. Summerville doesn't quite fall into that category — he turns 25 in a few months, so what you see is what you are going to get, by and large. And what you see doesn't quite move the needle for the club. We have a rich history with wide attackers, from Best to Giggs to Cristiano, among others, and our squad should appropriately reflect that “heritage”.

That's where the likes of Diomandé and Alajbegović enter the picture. Diomandé is already one of the best dribblers and wide attackers at non-elite clubs at age 19 (with 21 goals + assists in 2600 minutes of football), so a blatantly obvious option with the short, medium and long term in mind. Alajbegović is a bit behind with regard to impact and development but coming along quite nicely (Top 10 for dribbles in the Europa League at age 18 and 18 goals + assists in 2700 minutes of football). These are talents who could feasibly move the needle for us.

Just to highlight how good actually elite wide attackers are...

• Lamine Yamal is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 39 goals + assists this season
• Kvaratskhelia is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 31 goals + assists this season even though he doesn't play all the time
• Olise is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 50 goals + assists this season

We too need excellent dribblers and playmakers who could compare with them for production, if not exactly match them. Shoot, we don't need to look other clubs and their players. Think of the last Manchester United team to win the Champions League. Rooney, Cristiano, Tévez, Scholes, Carrick, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidić, Van der Sar. Absurd levels of individual quality. That needs to to our benchmark and source of inspiration, over the next 3-4 years of building and rebuilding and development.

Fully agreed, we need to be buying attacking players who are already at the peak or will likely be the next top players in their positions. Cunha and Mbeumo need to be the floor raisers and we look to bring in players that really push them for a starting spot rather than spending on someone to come in with minimal aspirations for them to ever displace Mbeumo/Cunha. Someone like Summerville would cost more than his actual playing value, I am sure there are players on the continent of his level that would cost far less if we want bodies to bolster the squad but we really need to be aiming for top drawer talent in order to progress.

This is the reason that I don't understand fans who want to see Dorgu as our winger, he is not an elite attacking player but he could become an elite attacking full back IMO. We need to get someone with elite dribbling and technique like the names you have mentioned. Dorgu has great athleticism and gets himself into good areas but when he is in and around the box he is far closer to the best full backs than the best wingers in terms of composure, assuredness and technical prowess.

 

[croadyman]

With due respect to Summerville (I'm sure he is a good professional who works very hard on his craft and doesn't deserve unprovoked criticism), Manchester United needs to aim higher. We don't just need tactical variance or credible depth behind Cunha or Mbeumo, we need players who can challenge the order and be part of the elite bracket for the position (as neither Cunha nor Mbeumo are.)

After a certain point, you only get diminishing returns with the signing of above-average or even good Premier League players (like Summerville), and need to actively prioritize top-shelf quality rather than more of the same in quantity. We're not well-positioned to add an immediate dose of top-shelf quality. The best wide attackers are already at major clubs and beyond our reach: Lamine Yamal, Kvaratskhelia, Vinícius, Olise and so forth. They are not genuine options, in all likelihood.

Considering that, we might want to aim for players who are not there but could get there, eventually. Summerville doesn't quite fall into that category — he turns 25 in a few months, so what you see is what you are going to get, by and large. And what you see doesn't quite move the needle for the club. We have a rich history with wide attackers, from Best to Giggs to Cristiano, among others, and our squad should appropriately reflect that “heritage”.

That's where the likes of Diomandé and Alajbegović enter the picture. Diomandé is already one of the best dribblers and wide attackers at non-elite clubs at age 19 (with 21 goals + assists in 2600 minutes of football), so a blatantly obvious option with the short, medium and long term in mind. Alajbegović is a bit behind with regard to impact and development but coming along quite nicely (Top 10 for dribbles in the Europa League at age 18 and 18 goals + assists in 2700 minutes of football). These are talents who could feasibly move the needle for us.

Just to highlight how good actually elite wide attackers are...

• Lamine Yamal is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 39 goals + assists this season
• Kvaratskhelia is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 31 goals + assists this season even though he doesn't play all the time
• Olise is an excellent dribbler and playmaker and has 50 goals + assists this season

We too need excellent dribblers and playmakers who could compare with them for production, if not exactly match them. Shoot, we don't need to look other clubs and their players. Think of the last Manchester United team to win the Champions League. Rooney, Cristiano, Tévez, Scholes, Carrick, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidić, Van der Sar. Absurd levels of individual quality. That needs to to our benchmark and source of inspiration, over the next 3-4 years of building and rebuilding and development.

So who is the most gettable out of Barcola and Diomande do you think, only problem is budget likely won't stretch far enough to get either

 

[Rozay]

LW

Yan Diomande
Barcola
Ndiaye
Rogers
Ander Barrenetxea
Karim Adeyemi
Christos Tzolis

Don't want another fair weather player like Rafael Leão from Milan

If we have money after signing midfield, I go for Yan/Barcola/Rogers but on less budget I go to Ander Barrenetxea OR Karim Adeyemi

There are a number of fair weather players on your list I’d say that are inferior to Leao.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we saw Leao as a market opportunity and did that deal. What I do know is that either way - we need something there. And something really quality, either above Mbeumo/Cunha levels or at least with the ability and potential to be that, whether that’s Leao or not.

It may be that we look to do that move next summer. We cannot get top class players everywhere in one window.

 

[goldenboy]

In a way, Diomandé staying put at RB Leipzig might work out just fine in our favor. Considering how much he was going to cost (£80-100 million, so roughly 35-40% of our envisaged buget for the summer), we could reallocate to make meaningful upgrades in midfield and/or defense — and move for him next summer, as a cherry on top of a more well-prepared cake.

Hopefully. Though there's also a chance United fail to qualify for CL next season and a bigger club makes a move for Diomande instead. It didn't prevent Sesko joining I guess, though Sesko seemed fond of United and linked with the club for many years beforehand in a way Diomande might not have been.

 

[dinostar77]

Jared Bowen anyone? Can play left wing, right wing and as striker

 

[lex talionis]

Diomande.

Price would indeed be a stumbling block but perhaps not insurmountable. I'm in the camp that now believes that with three outstanding signings -- Anderson and Diomande at a combined cost of 200m and Lewandowski on a free transfer -- that we can overcome depth issues by bringing up some of our young players such as Collyer, Amass and Lacey.

 

[ATXRedDevil]

Sneaky bid for Yildiz if Juve miss out on CL? I know he signed a new contract a few months ago, but do wonder if lack of CL football may open the door slightly. Believe I’ve seen rumors of Juve interested in Zirkzee too…

 

[croadyman]

Sneaky bid for Yildiz if Juve miss out on CL? I know he signed a new contract a few months ago, but do wonder if lack of CL football may open the door slightly. Believe I’ve seen rumors of Juve interested in Zirkzee too…

Hmmm interesting shout

 

[Rozay]

Sneaky bid for Yildiz if Juve miss out on CL? I know he signed a new contract a few months ago, but do wonder if lack of CL football may open the door slightly. Believe I’ve seen rumors of Juve interested in Zirkzee too…

He seems a Juve lifer tbh.