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Not Rashford.. please...
Would Dorgu not offer this?I think just get someone with pace, nothing too flash. Think that's the only thing we're truly missing from the dynamic of our options.
No one knows yet what the club are planning. There were rumours midweek we were scouting a Left Back from Frankfurt I think.Would Dorgu not offer this?
I feel he could be worth developing as we have Lacey pushing through (on the right) too.
Sign a lb instead
I agree, I'm not sure where I see Dorgu either. I felt he could make an interesting LB but after the last two weeks I feel he could be utilized on the wing in big games as he has a serious engine.No one knows yet what the club are planning. There were rumours midweek we were scouting a Left Back from Frankfurt I think.
So maybe the club see Drogu a LW.
Think it all depends on how much money is left after we spend big on 2 x CMs this summer. Plus any additional funds we generate.
Apparently one of the mandates from Ratcliffe is that we bring more home grown talent through. Which makes me think there will be an eye on giving game time to the likes of Lacey and there the noise around JJ Gabriel (15). That he will get his first team debut later this season and smash the record that was held by greenwood and then obi (17 years and 156 days old) when making his debut.
It will be interesting to see what the club do. Getting CL football will obviously make a huge difference to our spending power.
Besides that, our current LB options are only Shaw and Leon. The former will be 31 in July and is very injury prone and the latter is clearly not ready. Any injury to Shaw, and Dorgu might have to fill in at LB anyway. And if we have European football again next year, I don't trust Shaw's legs to last 2 games per week for months on end.Personally, I’d like to see Dorgu at left-back. Even Amorim who hated wingers kept saying we needed a right-footed player who could play on the left-wing.
Definitely, but he's the only one, so we need a bit of back up, even if it's just from the bench.Would Dorgu not offer this?
I feel he could be worth developing as we have Lacey pushing through (on the right) too.
Sign a lb instead
I agree, I think we need two midfielders (and possibly a 3rd prospect) in first. This season will collapse if anything happens to Casemiro imo.Definitely, but he's the only one, so we need a bit of back up, even if it's just from the bench.
I'd rather just focus on midfield first. I think we can get LB/CB/RBs after
I think you'll find that Wheatley is doing alright. Like I said, I don't expect him to be a starter, but he may have the tools to be a sub option.
Lacey won't get a look-in unless one of those 3 is played at LW or Mbuemo as a ST
and there the noise around JJ Gabriel (15). That he will get his first team debut later this season and smash the record
Didnt realise anyway he can play next season and still be the youngestJJ Gabriel is not allowed to play in the PL this season. He could have played some minutes in the FA Cup, hypothetically, but United have been knocked out of that already.
I think just get someone with pace, nothing too flash. Think that's the only thing we're truly missing from the dynamic of our options.
The 2 CMs are the top priority but LW is 3rd IMO. Mount can't really play there, Cunha as we saw today also is more just a player who roams inside, but might be different as a LW in a 433 it we eventually switch to that. With how Carrick seems to play though, I think we really want a left wing who can hold the width and attack like Amad does on the right. Whether it's a left footer or right footer doesn't matter, they gotta just be proper wingers.Dorgu, Cunha and Mount can player there. Amad and Mbeumo at a push. Not a position of need?
I hope we sign 2 CMs this summer. Anderson or Baleba and a rotation option.
True, I was thinking more along the lines of a young player with raw ability and potential. I just don't think LW should be getting a big % of the budget this summer.I feel we'd need more than that otherwise we could sign adama traore.
One consequence of us hiring an anti-United/anti-winger manager is that our squad has been ridded of all the left-wingers we have. Rashford, Sancho and Garnacho have all left the club without being directly replaced. Now we have recovered from a 14 month concussion - we appear to have decided that Manchester United should probably play with wingers after all.
So… what are our options? Diomande has been much touted, although the figures and competition involved are likely to be huge. We have a proud tradition of taking good footballers from Everton and sending them less good footballers in return. Iliman Ndiaye should be an option I think.
Do we need someone to come in and start, or a young prospect? Do we say that Dorgu is the answer? Mount? I think this position is required to complete our attacking options as a top club challenging for major trophies on all fronts. A collection of LW, Cunha, Sesko, Mbeumo, Amad for 3 positions seems good to me, with Lacey and potentially Obi adding further depth if not loaned.
Surely not suggesting we should’ve kept any of those we got rid of?One consequence of us hiring an anti-United/anti-winger manager is that our squad has been ridded of all the left-wingers we have. Rashford, Sancho and Garnacho have all left the club without being directly replaced. Now we have recovered from a 14 month concussion - we appear to have decided that Manchester United should probably play with wingers after all.
So… what are our options? Diomande has been much touted, although the figures and competition involved are likely to be huge. We have a proud tradition of taking good footballers from Everton and sending them less good footballers in return. Iliman Ndiaye should be an option I think.
Do we need someone to come in and start, or a young prospect? Do we say that Dorgu is the answer? Mount? I think this position is required to complete our attacking options as a top club challenging for major trophies on all fronts. A collection of LW, Cunha, Sesko, Mbeumo, Amad for 3 positions seems good to me, with Lacey and potentially Obi adding further depth if not loaned.
Surely not suggesting we should’ve kept any of those we got rid of?
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Far too sensible a post.Shea Lacey is a young, attacking left-footed player, and it would benefit him to play some matches from a left attacking position. I also think this would also benefit Amad. It extends their whole game... they can play from both wings, if necessary and would be a great option.
It also makes our game more balanced. Dorgu has shown this, a natural left sided player from the left.. makes such a difference.
Players should not become one-dimensional. Look at Elanga, Hudson-Odoi, Garnacho... all talented, but they are also, v predictable. Rashford too..
Playing from your natural side helps your game. It does not mean that Yamal, Messi etc are wrong, I am saying for many players, it would do no harm, especially for younger players who are still developing.
Mount...Dorgu, Cunha and Mount can player there. Amad and Mbeumo at a push. Not a position of need?
I hope we sign 2 CMs this summer. Anderson or Baleba and a rotation option.
Anything else to add to that?Mount...
Well nah you were saying we made a decision to sell all of our wingers but now we’re playing with them. Doesn’t make sense. We made a decision to get rid of lazy players with bad attitudes. It’s pure coincidence they’re on the wing.I’m suggesting we buy a new left winger, quite clearly.
Shea Lacey is a young, attacking left-footed player, and it would benefit him to play some matches from a left attacking position. I also think this would also benefit Amad. It extends their whole game... they can play from both wings, if necessary and would be a great option.
It also makes our game more balanced. Dorgu has shown this, a natural left sided player from the left.. makes such a difference.
Players should not become one-dimensional. Look at Elanga, Hudson-Odoi, Garnacho... all talented, but they are also, v predictable. Rashford too..
Far too sensible a post.
Well nah you were saying we made a decision to sell all of our wingers but now we’re playing with them. Doesn’t make sense. We made a decision to get rid of lazy players with bad attitudes. It’s pure coincidence they’re on the wing.
LW is not our priority. We need a centre mid, right back, another centre mid and possibly a striker if Zirkzee goes ahead of LW. We’ve got plenty of players that can actually play there
Mount should be one of the first players we try sell in the summer. not a potential back up left winger... surely.Anything else to add to that?
Im sure people don't watch the games when he plays. They made their mind up long ago and that's the end of it.Mount should be one of the first players we try sell in the summer. not a potential back up left winger... surely.
Okay, but that’s not what you said. You were suggesting we sold them because we didn’t want to play with wingers, and that we’re idiots because now we do again - when in reality we would’ve sold them anyway because they were fecking uselessWe made a decision to sell our left wingers, so now we don’t have any. It’s very simple.
Okay, but that’s not what you said. You were suggesting we sold them because we didn’t want to play with wingers, and that we’re idiots because now we do again - when in reality we would’ve sold them anyway because they were fecking useless
We don’t need a left winger. We have multiple players who can play there, well, even if it mightn’t be their main position.
The latter part of this is just a bit silly. We do have good players who can properly play there, and very well. Cunha, Mount, Lacey, Amad could, Mbeumo could. All class players too who can adapt. And like you say, Dorgu is exceptional there.You added the idiots bit. We sold them because we didn’t want to play with wingers, and now we do again - we don’t have one. So you know what - here’s a thread about how we should go about replacing them.
And if you don’t think we need a left winger, good for you. I do, and disagree. We do not have a left winger. Given we have about 28 footballers, we have about 28 people who are capable of playing there. None of them, bar maybe Dorgu - are actual left wingers. If it is a position we will play with every game, we should probably have a left winger in our squad.
Listing him as an option at LW is hilarious, especially in the context of saying it's not a position of need.Anything else to add to that?
Not really. He can play there if needed. I think a lot of people struggle with looking at players on a team sheet and not realising they aren't actually stuck in that position.Listing him as an option at LW is hilarious, especially in the context of saying it's not a position of need.
Most of the options you've listed are players who could play there in a pinch rather than ones who are genuine left wingers.The latter part of this is just a bit silly. We do have good players who can properly play there, and very well. Cunha, Mount, Lacey, Amad could, Mbeumo could. All class players too who can adapt. And like you say, Dorgu is exceptional there.
When Casemiro leaves, we’ll only really have Kobbie who is anywhere near good enough to play in midfield, or that we’d want to (like Bruno who’s 10x more effective further up, or Ugarte who regularly leads a capitulation)
Point being, yeah we sold 3 shit bag wingers, but just because we play with wide players doesn’t mean we need to rush to sign a left winger. We need to spend about £150m+ on midfield, then probably thing about full back support and potentially a striker if Zirkzee goes - all more pressing positions than left wing.
What would your preference be in terms of summer priorities then?
There’s no way Cunha or Dorgu (maybe even Mbeumo/Amad given left footed) couldn’t make that position their own. At least we have options and the right players up top. We’ve got about £150m-£200m worth of priorities ahead of LW, of course it could be improved but I don’t think it’s realistic or even necessary in this summer window.Most of the options you've listed are players who could play there in a pinch rather than ones who are genuine left wingers.
Dorgu's played a couple of good games there when we didn't have the weight of expectation on us to go and win the game. That's a very different dynamic to the majority of games a player in that position would play for us, and it's premature to describe him as exceptional.
Midfield is the obvious top priority but left wing is next in line. There's a few other positions that could use attention but most of them have options with different characteristics, the left wing is missing a very obvious profile.
If we want someone who can provide equivalent threat as Amad or Mbeumo down the right, I'm not convinced any of those players are really suitable.There’s no way Cunha or Dorgu (maybe even Mbeumo/Amad given left footed) couldn’t make that position their own. At least we have options and the right players up top. We’ve got about £150m-£200m worth of priorities ahead of LW, of course it could be improved but I don’t think it’s realistic or even necessary in this summer window.
