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1. Sancho - June 2026
2. Casemiro - June 2026
3. Shaw - June 2027
4. Antony - June 2027
5. Rashford - June 2028
6. Mount - June 2028
7. Onana - June 2028

Like an albatross around the club's neck. I would be highly surprised if the club can generate any kind of fees by selling any one of them.

- Sancho is coming back. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Casemiro won't move. Chances of finding a buyer - 1/10.
- No will be buy Shaw because of his injury record. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Spanish clubs will sense an opportunity due to our desperate situation and will try to negotiate another loan for Antony; maybe this time they'll have pity and pay a large chunk of his wages. Still, I put him in the most likely to generate a selling fee category. Chances of finding a buyer - 3/10.
- I doubt Villa will exercise the option to buy him. Even if they did, I think he is delusional enough to believe that a top Spanish club will be in for him. Chances of finding a buyer - 2/10.
- Mount: see Shaw. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Who can do us a favor here? Someone is Saudi Arabia? Chances of finding a buyer - 3/10.

That's ~350m of talent which is getting paid ~1.5 to ~1.6m/week that is useless (maybe expect Onana who starts every game) to us. It's frustrating. Woody, Arnold, Murtogh and ETH really did a number on this club.

INEOS will need to get nearly every signing right from here on if they expect us to progress because these seven aren't likely leaving and won't contribute to our budget. No pressure.
 
1. Sancho - June 2026 - Agreed, complete dead weight. No one is buying this kid.
2. Casemiro - June 2026 - Can actually still do a job for us. Yeh its not ideal, but I'm less worried out this one.
3. Shaw - June 2027 - Agreed, no chance of finding a buyer with injuries issues.
4. Antony - June 2027 - Disagree, I reckon we'll 100% get 30-40m
5. Rashford - June 2028 - Disagree, Villa still seem quite keen and the fans like him. I think he'll go for around 40-50m.
6. Mount - June 2028 - There's clearly still a player in there, lets see what he's like between now and season end.
7. Onana - June 2028 - Will 100% get a fee for Onana, just not sure how much!!!
 
Insanity said:
1. Sancho - June 2026
2. Casemiro - June 2026
3. Shaw - June 2027
4. Antony - June 2027
5. Rashford - June 2028
6. Mount - June 2028


Like an albatross around the club's neck. I would be highly surprised if the club can generate any kind of fees by selling any one of them.

- Sancho is coming back. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Casemiro won't move. Chances of finding a buyer - 1/10.
- No will be buy Shaw because of his injury record. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Spanish clubs will sense an opportunity due to our desperate situation and will try to negotiate another loan for Antony; maybe this time they'll have pity and pay a large chunk of his wages. Still, I put him in the most likely to generate a selling fee category. Chances of finding a buyer - 3/10.
- I doubt Villa will exercise the option to buy him. Even if they did, I think he is delusional enough to believe that a top Spanish club will be in for him. Chances of finding a buyer - 2/10.
- Mount: see Shaw. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Who can do us a favor here? Someone is Saudi Arabia? Chances of finding a buyer - 3/10.

That's ~350m of talent which is getting paid ~1.5 to ~1.6m/week that is useless (maybe expect Onana who starts every game) to us. It's frustrating. Woody, Arnold, Murtogh and ETH really did a number on this club.

INEOS will need to get nearly every signing right from here on if they expect us to progress because these seven aren't likely leaving and won't contribute to our budget. No pressure.
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I think we can remove Onana from the list. He commands a first team starting place and his wages are not crazy.

Pretty bleak picture in the remaining 6 though. Its close to 1.6m GBP of wages a week and except Casemiro, none are actually capable of starting a game for Utd (either on loan or injury).

Antony - I am somewhat hopeful if he can keep up the momentum.

Sancho, Casemiro - I don't see any options apart from Loans where we pay part of the wages.

Shaw / Mount - I don't expect either to be consistently fit again. We should try to go very easy on both and see if we can at least have them remain uninjured for a period of time

Rashford - we are in for a rude awakening as don't think Villa will sign him.
 
Onana
Should probably be replaced if he doesn't improve soon, but I don't consider him a complete disaster either. He's only on 120,000 per week, which isn't very much for us. I'd say that the goalkeeper position is 5th or 6th on our list of priorities, so Onana will be here next season.

Casemiro
Preposterous wages, but at least he can still do a job. And he only has one year left on his contract anyways.

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The remaining 5 are a massive headache. At least Sancho only has one year left on his contract. I also don't think Shaw's wages are that bad from a United point of view. He can chill for 2 more years without ruining us or fecking up the wage structure.

Rashford, Mount and Antony earning 750k per week and being nowhere near the starting XI is brutal. They all have 2-3 years left on their contract too.
 
The situation sounds a lot bleaker, of course, when you just conclude that we ‘100% won’t find a buyer’ for any of them.

I’ll await the actual reality first.
 
Rozay said:
The situation sounds a lot bleaker, of course, when you just conclude that we ‘100% won’t find a buyer’ for any of them.

I’ll await the actual reality first.
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Yep, such hyperbole.

Reported already that Chelsea will buy Sancho today.

Rashford already proven at worst he can be loaned out again without costing the club anymore money.

Shaw/Mount are unfortunate - though neither is playing so their wages will be vastly less than usual - not that big a headache.

Onana we'll have to see, if he ends the season strong we'll just stick with him. Also he's only 28 which isn't that old for a GK, no reason there wouldn't be a decent fee for him if he recovers some form.

Case, Antony are only actual issues re being very difficult to sell. Antony though will 100% get another loan if nothing else.
 
Rozay said:
The situation sounds a lot bleaker, of course, when you just conclude that we ‘100% won’t find a buyer’ for any of them.

I’ll await the actual reality first.
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This is an Insanity post, you get used to it after awhile.
 
Clicked this thread thinking it was going to be about 5 March 2023.
 
Thought this would be a thread to whinge about Mason Mount and was pleasantly surprised to discover that it's only partially to whinge about Mason Mount.
 
It looks a bad situation but let’s be honest, other clubs have players on big salaries that they want to shift on. Just we dish out the biggest salaries.
Sancho - one more season and most likely another loan.
Casemiro - he plays another season for us and has shown recently he’s not totally past it. Been quite good. Saudi come in for him would be a bonus but only one more season.
Shaw and Mount we need to keep as fit as possible and play them when we can. Decent players.
Onana - he could generate a sale to Saudi. Most likely our number 1 next season but is a good keeper in a confident side.
Rashford and Antony - I think they both get sold this summer. Antony will be in demand and should make a small profit. Rashford will go to Villa.

Off the list the OP made, I think worst realistic case is Sancho warming our bench for a season.
 
Pretty harsh to associate Onana with Sancho and Mount but the broader point is well taken that United are by far the most poorly run club of the big clubs in Europe. We could even argue that United over the last decade have been the most poorly run big club in the history of sports. The Glazers squandered massive advantages over our PL rivals by buying shiny toys that made no sense for us to buy.

Mount is a perfect example. He was already known to have fitness problems and he was in the last year of his contract -- and we already had Bruno. And yet we wasted enormous sums of money for this player, who's very likeable and maybe he will be brilliant for us next season, but it was a moronic decision to go all in on him. As the OP notes, we need to get the next 4 or 5 signings spot on perfect just to get back into the hunt for a top four spot.
 
Trying to be as positive as possible:

1. Sancho - latest news is Chelsea won't opt out of 25M purchase
2. Casemiro - maybe a free MLS move, otherwise one more season, at least he's available to play and not a bad influence in the dressing room
3. Shaw - ok, this one is hopeless, will see out his contract
4. Antony - 25-30 transfer this summer
5. Rashford - worst case scenario a loan covering his wages but a good chance he'll go for 35-40M
6. Mount - Like Shaw, will unfortunately stay, only hope is he can play some games
7. Onana - Saudi move? not the end of the world if he stays
 
Insanity said:
1. Sancho - June 2026
2. Casemiro - June 2026
3. Shaw - June 2027
4. Antony - June 2027
5. Rashford - June 2028
6. Mount - June 2028
7. Onana - June 2028

Like an albatross around the club's neck. I would be highly surprised if the club can generate any kind of fees by selling any one of them.

- Sancho is coming back. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Casemiro won't move. Chances of finding a buyer - 1/10.
- No will be buy Shaw because of his injury record. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Spanish clubs will sense an opportunity due to our desperate situation and will try to negotiate another loan for Antony; maybe this time they'll have pity and pay a large chunk of his wages. Still, I put him in the most likely to generate a selling fee category. Chances of finding a buyer - 3/10.
- I doubt Villa will exercise the option to buy him. Even if they did, I think he is delusional enough to believe that a top Spanish club will be in for him. Chances of finding a buyer - 2/10.
- Mount: see Shaw. Chances of finding a buyer - 0/10.
- Who can do us a favor here? Someone is Saudi Arabia? Chances of finding a buyer - 3/10.

That's ~350m of talent which is getting paid ~1.5 to ~1.6m/week that is useless (maybe expect Onana who starts every game) to us. It's frustrating. Woody, Arnold, Murtogh and ETH really did a number on this club.

INEOS will need to get nearly every signing right from here on if they expect us to progress because these seven aren't likely leaving and won't contribute to our budget. No pressure.
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Loans and sales are the obvious solution.

Sancho is getting loaned again if we can't find a buyer interested in him for an exceptional discount.

Casemiro seems to be growing on Amorim, and as a result may stay, so that's not a negative given that he still probably has another year in him as a situational sub.

Shaw and Mount are back and will be in the team next year - which which will be regarded like two brand new signings.

Rashford is definitely getting sold imo. Whether to Villa or elsewhere. His call up only affirms the viability of his services to other clubs.

Onana - Should be sold, but given the other priorities, I can see us buying a relatively cheap young keeper to put a bit of pressure on him.
 
lex talionis said:
Pretty harsh to associate Onana with Sancho and Mount but the broader point is well taken that United are by far the most poorly run club of the big clubs in Europe. We could even argue that United over the last decade have been the most poorly run big club in the history of sports. The Glazers squandered massive advantages over our PL rivals by buying shiny toys that made no sense for us to buy.

Mount is a perfect example. He was already known to have fitness problems and he was in the last year of his contract -- and we already had Bruno. And yet we wasted enormous sums of money for this player, who's very likeable and maybe he will be brilliant for us next season, but it was a moronic decision to go all in on him. As the OP notes, we need to get the next 4 or 5 signings spot on perfect just to get back into the hunt for a top four spot.
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I really don’t like Onana, but as you say big difference between him and Mount and Shaw.

Onana is always fit, and can be relied upon to be on the pitch. Doesn’t matter what talent you have - if you aren’t on the pitch you aren’t of value.

Mount can potentially be an asset. No one would buy him this summer, so we have him for another year. Perhaps under this regime, a return to fitness will be better managed?
 
8. de Ligt - on 195k. We have higher earners who arent doing great at the club, or out on loan so not our most immediate problem but he's another on the list of being well overpaid despite only coming this summer. When we get rid of the rest and try to bring the wages down to a more reasonable level he's going to be over it.
 
Ekeke said:
8. de Ligt - on 195k. We have higher earners who arent doing great at the club, or out on loan so not our most immediate problem but he's another on the list of being well overpaid despite only coming this summer. When we get rid of the rest and try to bring the wages down to a more reasonable level he's going to be over it.
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At present even though Bruno is, by my estimation, one of the best we have, we dont have a player who fits that number 7 jersey
 
My prediction-

1. Sancho - June 2026 - I think Chelsea will reluctantly stick to the deal, then probably sell him for a profit to Saudi or someplace.

2. Casemiro - June 2026 - I can see him stepping aside should we finish the season on a high. Wages aside, if he were to maintain current form he's not a terrible player to keep around for one more season as an option and some experience.

3. Shaw - June 2027 - I think we'd be open to sell this summer and would be surprised if a PL club doesn't take a punt. Were Fulham to sell Robinson I could see him moving there as I think we'd sell for next to nothing.

4. Antony - June 2027- Antony will spend all of next season on loan someplace, then be sold for a modest fee.

5. Rashford - June 2028 - Villa won't take up their option is my guess, but somebody will be foolish enough to. Somebody like West Ham or something, or maybe an overseas team like Napoli.

6. Mount - June 2028 - We won't get a buyer and we will try to give another season to.

7. Onana - June 2028 - Will be our first choice keeper next season.

All in all by the end of next season I think 5 of these will be gone.
 
LittleP14 said:
1. Sancho - June 2026 - Agreed, complete dead weight. No one is buying this kid.
2. Casemiro - June 2026 - Can actually still do a job for us. Yeh its not ideal, but I'm less worried out this one.
3. Shaw - June 2027 - Agreed, no chance of finding a buyer with injuries issues.
4. Antony - June 2027 - Disagree, I reckon we'll 100% get 30-40m
5. Rashford - June 2028 - Disagree, Villa still seem quite keen and the fans like him. I think he'll go for around 40-50m.
6. Mount - June 2028 - There's clearly still a player in there, lets see what he's like between now and season end.
7. Onana - June 2028 - Will 100% get a fee for Onana, just not sure how much!!!
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30-40m for Antony? Think you're living a fantasy there.

Probably more a classic United mix of absolute cut price deal (say 15m max), mixed in with us having to cover a meaty proportion of the wages.

Casemiro can still do a limited job. But at 350k a week, covering 15 games a season is outrageous.
 
red_de_pologne said:
Trying to be as positive as possible:

1. Sancho - latest news is Chelsea won't opt out of 25M purchase
2. Casemiro - maybe a free MLS move, otherwise one more season, at least he's available to play and not a bad influence in the dressing room
3. Shaw - ok, this one is hopeless, will see out his contract
4. Antony - 25-30 transfer this summer
5. Rashford - worst case scenario a loan covering his wages but a good chance he'll go for 35-40M
6. Mount - Like Shaw, will unfortunately stay, only hope is he can play some games
7. Onana - Saudi move? not the end of the world if he stays
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Pretty much where I stand on these …. It’s not great, but not as bleak as this thread would suggest.
 
Onana recently changed agents to an agency that has negotiated a number of deals with Saudia Arabia. Replacing him should be a priority, he's a mistake waiting to happen, and it always seems to occur at a time it kills our momentum.
 
Ekeke said:
8. de Ligt - on 195k. We have higher earners who arent doing great at the club, or out on loan so not our most immediate problem but he's another on the list of being well overpaid despite only coming this summer. When we get rid of the rest and try to bring the wages down to a more reasonable level he's going to be over it.
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De Ligt's playing quite well?

Also can we stop quoting the full amounts of what is reported, we don't know what he's on without add ons (Antony someone worked out was like £70k without his add ons and yet you regularly see him quoted as being paid £200k). De Ligt is not on £190k base wage per week.
 
Regarding Shaw and Mount, I doubt United are actually paying their full wages, clubs have insurance for injuries
 
tomaldinho1 said:
De Ligt's playing quite well?

Also can we stop quoting the full amounts of what is reported, we don't know what he's on without add ons (Antony someone worked out was like £70k without his add ons and yet you regularly see him quoted as being paid £200k). De Ligt is not on £190k base wage per week.
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He's playing just about okay for a team thats 13th. Miles below whats expected for his fee and wages. Our defensive record is 11th best despite his big signing. Can you show me where its confirmed that hes not being paid £190k a week?
 
Ekeke said:
He's playing just about okay for a team thats 13th. Miles below whats expected for his fee and wages. Our defensive record is 11th best despite his big signing. Can you show me where its confirmed that hes not being paid £190k a week?
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As in the structure of all wages (not just De Ligt) has become much more bonus heavy as we've moved away from the Woodward contracts. I can't show his contract, no, nor do I know his agent well enough to ask, but then you can't show that he is on £190k either? We believe that £190k is roughly the weekly wage if he's hitting all add ons which most scrapers like capology will whack into their system without any context, but we don't know how it is broken down.
 
Ekeke said:
He's playing just about okay for a team thats 13th. Miles below whats expected for his fee and wages. Our defensive record is 11th best despite his big signing. Can you show me where its confirmed that hes not being paid £190k a week?
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He wasn’t that much was he? Less than £40M?

We’ve had so many players making mistakes all season leading directly to goals it’s hard to pick on any of them over the others but personally I think De Ligt has been one of our better defenders this year.
 
Red in STL said:
Regarding Shaw and Mount, I doubt United are actually paying their full wages, clubs have insurance for injuries
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Can you imagine the premiums we are paying for Shaw following his leg break? Wouldn't be surprised if we couldn't insure him :lol:
 
tomaldinho1 said:
As in the structure of all wages (not just De Ligt) has become much more bonus heavy as we've moved away from the Woodward contracts. I can't show his contract, no, nor do I know his agent well enough to ask, but then you can't show that he is on £190k either? We believe that £190k is roughly the weekly wage if he's hitting all add ons which most scrapers like capology will whack into their system without any context, but we don't know how it is broken down.
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We do know that he was on more at Bayern though, according to other sites as well. They have him at 195k to 250k, do you really think he took a massive paycut?
 
Ekeke said:
We do know that he was on more at Bayern though, according to other sites as well. They have him at 195k to 250k, do you really think he took a massive paycut?
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I would assume that was also not pure wage but total package firstly. I would think it likely he took a bit of a decrease to come here though, Bayern were pushing him out and he wants to start. United could offer a big name + starting spot so I think it would be likely he was open to not getting such a ridiculous salary i.e. let's just assume Bayern paid him £190k weekly base wage as unlikely as I think that is, even if United said we'll pay you £150k and have the equivalent of £40k a week more in achievable add ons like apps, league finish etc. then it's still a pretty huge saving week to week.
 
1. Sancho - June 2026. Only hope is another loan or a very small fee
2. Casemiro - June 2026. Sell to Saudis and get whatever we can
3. Shaw - June 2027. I still have hope he will come good again.
4. Antony - June 2027. Sell for $20 to $30m
5. Rashford - June 2028. Villa will probably offer $10m and we'll have to take it
6. Mount - June 2028. Like Shaw, I have hope he will be good again. He should be a great fit for Amorim as an AM
7. Onana - June 2028. Not selling IMO. He is a decent GK and our priorities are in other areas. We probably sell in summer 2026
 
To be fair, Onana is pretty decent and can come up with good saves.

Casemiro adds a wealth of experience.

Rashford will be sold soon.

Sancho is already long gone. Considered sold.

Antony might work out if you put him in the correct role. He did well enough last season to win the FA cup.

Shaw was from the past and his 30 mil price tag is reasonable considering that he's put on some good performance.

This leaves Mount.
 
Aleryan said:
To be fair, Onana is pretty decent and can come up with good saves.

Casemiro adds a wealth of experience.

Rashford will be sold soon.

Sancho is already long gone. Considered sold.

Antony might work out if you put him in the correct role. He did well enough last season to win the FA cup.

Shaw was from the past and his 30 mil price tag is reasonable considering that he's put on some good performance.

This leaves Mount.
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You're a bit behind the times

Onana - terrifies our defenders
Casemiro - true but needs legs around him
Rashford - hopefully but there's no guarantee
Sancho - catch-up, come the summer he's back
Antony - he's probably going to be out on loan again
Shaw - is a deadweight, the fee paid is irrelevant the wages aren't and there's no way we'll be shifting him because of them
Mount - is a question of can he stay fit, otherwise he's Shaw mkII and the signs aren't good
 
always_hoping said:
Thought this thread was about Cantona,Best,Beckham etc who wore the number 7 and excelled for United
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Michael Owen ruined that for everyone.

A bit like Nigel Farage or Conor McGregor buying a house in the same village as your favourite pub.
 
Now that the summer is here and reality is closer home...how many of these are we selling?

Will Chelsea take up their option on Sancho or pay the delayed fee?

Will Betis stump up the cash for Antony?

Saudi to the rescue for Case and Onana?

How levers have Barca left that can pay 40m for Rashy?
 
Insanity said:
Now that the summer is here and reality is closer home...how many of these are we selling?

Will Chelsea take up their option on Sancho or pay the delayed fee?

Will Betis stump up the cash for Antony?

Saudi to the rescue for Case and Onana?

How levers have Barca left that can pay 40m for Rashy?
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Hojlund should be on here. Change the title to Hateful Eight.
 
Villa aren't signing Rashford, missing out on CL means they literally can't afford him. In fact given their wage buill its likely Villa are going to have a painful summer.

Rashford's future depends on how ambitious he wants to be. He's exactly the profile of player they would want in Saudi: famous, exciting, huge social media following. His carerr is in serious trouble because barring a miracle he won't get time at United and the market for him in Europe is very soft indeed.
 
slyadams said:
Villa aren't signing Rashford, missing out on CL means they literally can't afford him. In fact given their wage buill its likely Villa are going to have a painful summer.

Rashford's future depends on how ambitious he wants to be. He's exactly the profile of player they would want in Saudi: famous, exciting, huge social media following. His carerr is in serious trouble because barring a miracle he won't get time at United and the market for him in Europe is very soft indeed.
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With Barca showing interest this is going to go to the wire.

My guess: Barca will keep delaying this and Rashford will keep pinning for them. At the end we will have no choice but to cave on a loan with an option to buy deal to at least get rid of his nasty wages for another season.
 
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