Pretty much anyone would have been helpful to freshen the team. We were completely out of gas by the ET.Who can you bring on? "Run to the corner flag" Dan James to break down a tight Villarreal defence? "Lost at all times" van de Beek?
Why the disdain on Villarreal?
They’re 7th in LaLiga! Our squad is better player-for-player. They were just better coached.They only made changes because every time their manager looked at the bench he noticed he’d left out someone he didn’t mean to. If he named his best team they too would have remained unchanged for 100 minutes.
This is why substitutions are very rare in football
Sir Alex would bring on worse players all the time. He once put John oshea at striker and won. Make a change ffs
It was sarcasmThey’re 7th in LaLiga! Our squad is better player-for-player. They were just better coached.
Disagree I think he’s a frustratingly cautious manager and decided rather than try and freshening up the team to try and win the game during the 90 minutes he decided to prepare for penalties very early.As I said in another thread, it was very clear that Ole didn't have any faith in his bench.
They don't have, but that does not mean that they don't deserve to beat us. They played well tactically and were just as sharp in the penalties. If football is about who has more star players, then how did Greece and Portugal win the Euros when they were playing against teams with so many star players? This is the cruelty of cup games, there is a lot of luck and you need to make things work right first time.Pretty much anyone would have been helpful to freshen the team. We were completely out of gas by the ET.
This argument is really weird. It almost me feel like other teams have Messi and Ronaldo on the bench.
Which world beaters did Villareal have on the bench by the way ?
It's not like Rashford was doing wonders on the pitch. He was garbage.
Exactly that's why this is embarrassing for anyone defending Ole. He was a coward it's that simple.He once played Rafael and Fabio as wingers.
Its almost as if a manager has to use the tools at his disposal to win games. Hmmm weird almost like what emery did tonight. Weird.But surely Fergie is the only manager to realise that substitutions don’t necessarily have to mean replacing someone with a better player? I hope one of the resident historians here checks the record books for examples if there have been some
What disdain for Villarreal? Are you feeling ok? Or are you having imaginary dialogues with yourself?Who can you bring on? "Run to the corner flag" Dan James to break down a tight Villarreal defence? "Lost at all times" van de Beek?
Why the disdain on Villarreal?
Villareal didn't do shit. They were barely even managing to string few passes together. I don't see any brilliant tactics in what they did. Even their defense wasn't that great because they made ton of mistakes in the back and we didn't benefitted from them. They were literally doing stupid back passes in their own half man.They don't have, but that does not mean that they don't deserve to beat us. They played well tactically and were just as sharp in the penalties. If football is about who has more star players, then how did Greece and Portugal win the Euros when they were playing against teams with so many star players? This is the cruelty of cup games, there is a lot of luck and you need to make things work right first time.
Yes, I agree with you that subs had to be made but he was clearly keeping Rashford, Cavani for the penalties. There is no telling if James or Diallo would have made a difference, given how James is a headless chicken and Diallo isn't integrated in the team.
I am not referring to you specifically but the general vibe of the posts, especially the guy below you, who do not feel that Villarreal deserve it and it was us not making the subs that blew it, rather than we didn't have a squad of 17 that were good enough. 11 vs. 11, we were better than them, but I can't say the same when it was 17 vs 17.What disdain for Villarreal? Are you feeling ok? Or are you having imaginary dialogues with yourself?
What does not making subs when the team starts to tire have to do with Villarreal?
I hate arguments like this. Who bought Dan James? Who asked Ole to start all his “trusted” attackers? This isn’t a lack of depth situation. It was poor game management from Ole, simple. The blame solely lies on his head.I understand we need subs to have fresh legs, but genuinely who on the bench was gonna make any difference to our attacking unit ? Mata ? Dan James?
The real problem here is our lack of depth
Go on then name the 6 extra Villarreal players that swung the better players argument in their favor.I am not referring to you specifically but the general vibe of the posts, especially the guy below you, who do not feel that Villarreal deserve it and it was us not making the subs that blew it, rather than we didn't have a squad of 17 that were good enough. 11 vs. 11, we were better than them, but I can't say the same when it was 17 vs 17.
@el3mel
Villarreal did great. They practiced their set pieces. They also made it hard for United to break through. Their frontline defended high up and pressed the defense and midfield lines.
The hard truth is that 11 vs. 11, we had better players, world beaters, not when it was 17 vs 17.
Nail on the headI think the problem is Ole is not a strategic coach, he's a man managment coach. He cant "afford" to upset any of the best players, he doesnt have the balls to take Rashford or Bruno out, he wont do a thing that compromises the atmosphere of the dressing room.
Greenwood was having a good game and Rashford had his worse game in a long long time, still he subs Greenwood.
He's the type of manager that puts the best players out, works on them being happy and hopes that enough to produce performances and results.
Thats precisely why they played the way they did. Their goal was basically to snuff out whatever oxygen was in the room and then hope to score on a break or set play.They’re 7th in LaLiga! Our squad is better player-for-player. They were just better coached.
He did have a plan for penalties, and to be fair the kickers did really well. It was the choice of keeper which was baffling.My thoughts are if it were a league game he would have made subs earlier but he had a "plan" for penalties and wasn't going to do anything to jeopardise that. Wanted people to say what a masterstroke it was subbing a few players on a minute before the shoot-out.
Because we didn't have an Ole-type player to put on.His legacy would be weird. The supersub who bottled it by never making a sub.
Yeah that argument is the biggest cop out of the lot and allows him to get away with itI don't get the argument that he didn't have any good options on the bench.. Is Mata not capable of putting in a better performance than a Rashford who had one of his worst performances ever in a United shirt? There's a reason most subs are in-game decisions and not predetermined 2 days before the game, and you don't keep the worst player on the pitch just because he's better than player X when he plays well.
It gets even worse because the team was screaming for a change after 90min of barely creating anything worth calling a chance, yet subbing off Marcus to bring on someone who can offer fresh legs, a different style of play and isn't in terrible form is seemingly not worth doing. Awful management, period.
Villarreal made 5 subs before us so even their 16th option is better than any of the players on our bench apparently. It is bonkers, our subs wouldn't even make their bench.I don't get the argument that he didn't have any good options on the bench.. Is Mata not capable of putting in a better performance than a Rashford who had one of his worst performances ever in a United shirt? There's a reason most subs are in-game decisions and not predetermined 2 days before the game, and you don't keep the worst player on the pitch just because he's better than player X when he plays well.
It gets even worse because the team was screaming for a change after 90min of barely creating anything worth calling a chance, yet subbing off Marcus to bring on someone who can offer fresh legs, a different style of play and isn't in terrible form is seemingly not worth doing. Awful management, period.
You think squad for squad they have a better team than us? I have no idea what to say to that.I am not referring to you specifically but the general vibe of the posts, especially the guy below you, who do not feel that Villarreal deserve it and it was us not making the subs that blew it, rather than we didn't have a squad of 17 that were good enough. 11 vs. 11, we were better than them, but I can't say the same when it was 17 vs 17.
@el3mel
Villarreal did great. They practiced their set pieces. They also made it hard for United to break through. Their frontline defended high up and pressed the defense and midfield lines.
The hard truth is that 11 vs. 11, we had better players, world beaters, not when it was 17 vs 17.
