The Miserable Existence of Twice Impeached Former US President Donald Trump

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So....Collins, Murkoswski, Romney, Toomey and Sasse.
Sasse, Burr and Cassidy.
 

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The enormous number of judges appointed under Trump was Mitch’s agenda and he was extremely successful.
The whole point of appointing those judges is to merely maintain the status quo. There is no proactive action when you do this. The one proactive action McConnell tried to take, ending the ACA, spectacularly backfired. The reality is it is hard to do anything proactively in this form of government.
 

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If you thing Dems give a feck about this either you just wait till Schumer gavels them all into a nice comfy week long vacation when this is over.
He has no choice, the GOP needs to be present for a quorum to be established and they will prevent any attempts to stop the vacation from happening.
 

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It would hurt millions of Americans waiting for COVID relief, this isn't just some entertainment for everyone to enjoy. Republicans don't care about hurting people, do you really want to follow that example?
The commentators on CNN said it was possible to stop this trial for a couple of weeks while the managers and the defense organised the witnesses and the procedure. They can take care of the relief bill in the meantime, as well as cabinet nominations.
 

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He has no choice, the GOP needs to be present for a quorum to be established and they will prevent any attempts to stop the vacation from happening.
He needs 1 Republican Senator to show up. If Schumer comes out and says he had all 50 dems on board and he asked all 50 R's and every one of them said no then I will let him off the hook.
 

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The commentators on CNN said it was possible to stop this trial for a couple of weeks while the managers and the defense organised the witnesses and the procedure. They can take care of the relief bill in the meantime, as well as cabinet nominations.
There have been numerous times that the CNN commentators claim something is possible and then have to come back and reverse their claim later. The reality is that the Senate rules are a black hole that no one understands and that most things take 60 votes to change, which means you need 10 GOP votes to do many basic things, like changing a schedule. I do think that ending the filibuster is inevitable as a result (maybe the Dems will be too scared but the GOP eventually will).
 

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The commentators on CNN said it was possible to stop this trial for a couple of weeks while the managers and the defense organised the witnesses and the procedure. They can take care of the relief bill in the meantime, as well as cabinet nominations.
That was probably never going to work given that Senators are needed to run the government.
 

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He was impeached twice. How are so many people still misunderstanding the basic terminology?

How there were two impeachment trials with zero witnesses and so many refused subpeanas beggars belief. The system over there is truly unfit for purpose.
I mean he was never going to be convicted.
I doubt there would be value for future elections given that most people tend to vote on economics and cultural identity (plus issues like COVID when they happen), and those who do only vote on stuff like this likely already have all the info they need to make a choice.
Part of the reason they will have only two years of Congress is because they never stand up to fight for their base.
 

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There have been numerous times that the CNN commentators claim something is possible and then have to come back and reverse their claim later. The reality is that the Senate rules are a black hole that no one understands and that most things take 60 votes to change, which means you need 10 GOP votes to do many basic things, like changing a schedule. I do think that ending the filibuster is inevitable as a result (maybe the Dems will be too scared but the GOP eventually will).
They're taking a week off now, so I'm not sure you're argument about other matter's urgency is a good one in this case.
 

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That was probably never going to work given that Senators are needed to run the government.
I don't know, and by your "probably" I assume you don't either. It's the fact they didn't even try that is so ridiculous.
 

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I mean he was never going to be convicted.

Part of the reason they will have only two years of Congress is because they never stand up to fight for their base.
I'm surprised that people still think that the inability to turn out the base is the reason that Dems don't win more, especially with all the data from the 2020 election. The reality is that it is more important to win moderate, high-propensity voters to your side to win gerrymandered house districts.
 

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They're taking a week off now, so I'm not sure you're argument about other matter's urgency is a good one in this case.
Already addressed this in a previous comment explaining that Schumer would need to get GOP support to stop the vacation. This will never happen as everyone in the GOP, even those who voted to convict, care more about themselves than helping others.
 

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I'm surprised that people still think that the inability to turn out the base is the reason that Dems don't win more, especially with all the data from the 2020 election. The reality is that it is more important to win moderate, high-propensity voters to your side to win gerrymandered house districts.
The abysmal failure of efforts in purple states (like Texas) to win at the state level means that we have only seen the tip of the gerrymandering ice berg.
 

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The abysmal failure of efforts in purple states (like Texas) to win at the state level means that we have only seen the tip of the gerrymandering ice berg.
Ya I'm really scared about it. If the Dems don't grow a pair, remove the filibuster, and pass the John Lewis bill, we are all likely screwed.
 

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Already addressed this in a previous comment explaining that Schumer would need to get GOP support to stop the vacation. This will never happen as everyone in the GOP, even those who voted to convict, care more about themselves than helping others.
OK, another opportunity to make a point to americans. Have the senate next week with 50 democrat senators saying they're ready to work on a relief bill to help americans but all the 50 republicans chose not to show up and go on vacation instead.
 

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Already addressed this in a previous comment explaining that Schumer would need to get GOP support to stop the vacation. This will never happen as everyone in the GOP Senate, even those who voted to convict, care more about themselves than helping others.
Again, he would need 1 GOP Senator to do this. One. He did it because his own party cares more about themselves then us. That is not a GOP exclusive issue. If he can prove all 50 in his caucus would have shown up, and not a single GOP member would, then I retract.
 

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He progresses his agenda because he has no agenda apart from maintaining the status quo + odd tax cut.
He went from having a 5/4 SCOTUS to having a 6/3 by being a monumental cnut. Wish the Dems had that kind of a cnut.
 

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Ya I'm really scared about it. If the Dems don't grow a pair, remove the filibuster, and pass the John Lewis bill, we are all likely screwed.
Agree 1000000%. How the Dems do not see that their only hope in the near/medium future is HR1/S1 is beyond me. It will pass the house no problem, but the Dem senators lack of self preservation is shocking.
 

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I don't know, and by your "probably" I assume you don't either. It's the fact they didn't even try that is so ridiculous.
You have to ask what the objective would be, especially given that there are a mountain of other legislative actions the Dem Senate needs to get to. COVID, economy, infrastructure, healthcare and many others.
 

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You have to ask what the objective would be, especially given that there are a mountain of other legislative actions the Dem Senate needs to get to. COVID, economy, infrastructure, healthcare and many others.
Maybe show their voters, who overwhelmingly hate Trump, they are willing to fight to convict them using all the weapons they can and not cave to what republicans want on the first occasion?
 

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OK, another opportunity to make a point to americans. Have the senate next week with 50 democrat senators saying they're ready to work on a relief bill to help americans but all the 50 republicans chose not to show up and go on vacation instead.
If the Dems did this, they would just look spectacularly stupid. The GOP will just point and laugh while developing their tans at a tropical destination. Then the same folks on this forum complaining about the Dems folding would then cry about how dumb the Dems made themselves look.
 

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McConnell is condemning Trump after voting not guilty. Bonkers.
Which is actually worse than just saying "feck it, didn't want to convict". He is leaning hard into the "Ah shucks, if only he was still in office I would have voted guilty." This is setting recorded precedent.
 

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If the Dems did this, they would just look spectacularly stupid. The GOP will just point and laugh while developing their tans at a tropical destination. Then the same folks on this forum complaining about the Dems folding would then cry about how dumb the Dems made themselves look.
They would look stupid by showing up to work on a relief bill during a pandemic when their voters are suffering? I don't think the majority of voters would see it like that. I certainly wouldn't if I was an american.
 

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Hasn't McConnell voted not guilty?

This speech is like scoring a consolation goal in the 91st minute
 

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McConnell is a scumbag. How can he marry what he's saying with voting to acquit?