I'm a huge Conor fan but I'm also realistic. Conor is massively outmatched on the ground with Khabib and he could fight him 10 times and would only stand a chance by knocking him out. A punchers chance
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I'm not sure but that post has confirmed what I thought about you. Haha looking for a mod to back you up
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I don’t need a mod to back me up you fool. Though Raoul knows a lot more than I do about MMA.
Was trying to understand the strength of your conviction.
Obviously not very much, but unsurprising seeing as you are inspired by McGregor which lets me everything I wanted to find out.
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Inspired by Conor ? Strange thing to say but it's you .
Hahaha you obviously do fool . You make me laugh I will give you that much.
Your guess is as good as anyone else's. I don't think anyone in Ireland gives a shit anymore.
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Because Dana says so after a big win ? Definitely not.
Especially since he said this literally a few months ago.
End of the day it is very hard to determine the GOAT. Although it’s a young sport so not actually as hard as other sports. Meaning you can narrrow it down I think to the following list
You can pick holes in them all for one reason or another but for me this is the list below in no particular order (although for me it’s GSP if I have to say)
Fedor
Jones
GSP
Khabib
Mighty Mouse
Anderson
Nunes
Joanna
Rousey
Cyborg
You can pick holes in them all for one reason or another but for me this is the list below in no particular order (although for me it’s GSP if I have to say)
Fedor
Jones
GSP
Khabib
Mighty Mouse
Anderson
Nunes
Joanna
Rousey
Cyborg
To add I do believe it was Possible for McGregor to be on this list. But zero title defences make it impossible. Even the most bias McGregor supporters have to agree. Although he is the biggest star and I find it a shame he never went on to defend his belts as his legacy could have been a lot better than it is.
Yeah I agree with this and it's why Conor can't be considered . For me Jones is the goat at UFC . Khabib is a unbelievable fighter but his 29-0 is sketchy to say the least . It's really only the later of his fights he's fought anyone of worth
Yeah, I think Dana has probably called half the UFC the GOAT at some point.
Re the rest of the stuff in here, it's funny the same posters who say "WHY DOES MCGREGOR ACT SO DESPERATE TO STAY RELEVANT" literally are the same people who get riled up by the conversation and can never stop talking about him
It's the same thing every time like clockwork.I hope Khabib’s mum gives him permission to fight again. He’s too good to retire!
I would include Shevchenko and Cejudo in that conversaton. Not sure Rousey and Joanna belong there but that's just my opinion.
Its a fairly easy thing to assess on the women's side. Nunes has to be the goat of the women's game since she smashed both Rousey and Cybord and also beat Shevchenko twice, and to top it all off also beat Holly Holm, Meisha Tate, and DuRandamie as well.
Rousey and Cyborg would be next tier for their respective dominant stretches prior to facing Nunes.
Shevchenko, Joanna et al, would be tier 3.
It's almost like Amanda Nunes. Not sure who you could throw at either of these fighters to make a remotely interesting fight. They are just so dominant in their weight classes (and for Khabib, that's saying something since lightweight is just stacked).
I personally find Rousey like McGregor. Done a lot for the sport but when it comes to fighting ability, can't compare to Nunes/Khabib so wouldn't think they have much credit in the goat conversation.
Joanna is slightly different but Rose beat her twice and she lost to Zhang and Shevchenko so can't really say she's a goat.
Cyborg has a claim as she only lost to Nunes and if they run that back, it could be different. Not saying it will be, but the arguement can be made. But she mainly beat cans and did lose to Nunes so for me, Nunes is above her.
Shevchenko again only lost to Nunes but that's at a weight above her natural weight and the decision was razor sharp so there's a conversation there.
With that said, the female goats conversation (for me) is between Nunes, Cyborg and Shevchenko. I would order it:
Nunes
Shevchenko
Cyborg
If Zhang carries on the way she is though, she may enter that list...
The older Khabib gets it has to he at 170. He really does need to move up if he fights again, its a bit of McGregor at 145 weight bullying going on.
There literally isnt a challenge at 155 and hes happy with that? It just lets him down a little bit imo.
Yeah, considering the seemingly cheated to get him to meet weight on Saturday, that's probably a good call.
I'd love to see Khabib vs. Usman/Covington. Those would be something else.
Khabib is a monster at 155. But there are guys who can move weight classes. Really could his style handle the beast puncher wresters at Welter? It would be interesting because aside from the size thing there is the stylistic aspect. He doesnt get the same flavor at 155.
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Has anyone seen a transcript of Khabib's post fight interview in the Octagon? I'm curious to see what he said when he switched to Avar/Russian/Arabic (not sure what language it was).
Was it a translation of what he had said in English, or was it something else - any ideas?
Was it a translation of what he had said in English, or was it something else - any ideas?
I never knew Dana was so loose with his praise on this subject. But you agree he is one of the few people who could make this judgement?
Perhaps his view on GOAT is an evolving opinion, which by definition a GOAT would be as new fighters achieve amazing feats?
His opinion probably means less than that of the random well informed UFC fan who has a decade or more experience watching fights. Dana is first and foremost a promoter and mercantilist, who bases his decisions on ridiculous things like fighters he gets along with more than those he doesn’t, those who make him more money vs those who make less etc.. He is also incredibly grudgy and ultimately anything he says has to be taken with a massive pinch of salt.
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Got it. Thanks for the context
Agreed.
The only person I believe less than Dana is Rogan (when he's commentating).
"OH! HE'S ROCKED! THIS IS IT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THE REFS ABOUT TO STOP IT".
Then you see the "rocked fighter" just carry on like nothing happened... Probably because he just got punched on the thigh.
I actually quite enjoy Rogan as a commentator
He is absolutely guilty of being a hype merchant and sensationalist but can offer some insight at times.
Its been heaven not having Rogan around lately. I wouldn't mind him once in a blue moon for the biggest events, but most of the time his commentary is tedious and insufferable.I actually quite enjoy Rogan as a commentator
He is absolutely guilty of being a hype merchant and sensationalist but can offer some insight at times.
Yeah I feel pretty similar tbh. I like the hype he brings for the really big events.
I find him hilarious for the hyperbole. I just don't believe anything he says regarding the actual fights.I actually quite enjoy Rogan as a commentator
He is absolutely guilty of being a hype merchant and sensationalist but can offer some insight at times.
I remember that shot Michael Johnson got on Khabib.
Without commentary: it felt like Khabib wobbled for a second and recovered.
With commentary: it felt like Khabib needed a life support machine to carry on.
It doesn’t
Broadly I agree thoughI don’t think Rousey belongs - as totally transformative as she was for women’s MMA the total collapse just kills it imo.
Joanna also slightly rankles with me, though I just can’t stand her.
She got stopped by Rose and then beaten again in the rematch. Then lost to Shevchenko. And then lost to Zhang Wei Li. She doesn't belong in the goat conversation as far as I'm concerned.
Cheers @RedTiger
She did have a pretty good run before encountering Rose.
Also, she had no business fighting Shevchenko, who is in a different weight class and clearly better than her.
No worries bro