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how long before we get 'Mueller is a Russian asset'?
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Maddow tonight. She's been the biggest winner of this whole Russiagate. Racking up rankings spouting Alex Jones level conspiracy theories for two years while fooling millions of people. She'll double down, no doubt. The journalist and elite class never take face action and responsibility for their frauds and lies, that's why all the people who promoted the Iraq WMD conspiracy still have well-paid gigs on national media. They're all in it as one, that's why human scum like Bill Kristol and David Frum are regular guests on the "liberal" MSNBC.

At the end of the day, Mueller has submitted his report to the DOJ and zero Americans have been indicted for conspiring with Russians to influence the 2016 election (assuming the leaks about what's in the report is true.)
 

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Hanks said:
Maddow tonight. She's been the biggest winner of this whole Russiagate. Racking up rankings spouting Alex Jones level conspiracy theories for two years while fooling millions of people. She'll double down, no doubt. The journalist and elite class never take face action and responsibility for their frauds and lies, that's why all the people who promoted the Iraq WMD conspiracy still have well-paid gigs on national media. They're all in it as one, that's why human scum like Bill Kristol and David Frum are regular guests on the "liberal" MSNBC.

At the end of the day, Mueller has submitted his report to the DOJ and zero Americans have been indicted for conspiring with Russians to influence the 2016 election (assuming the leaks about what's in the report is true.)
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And there are still 17 sealed dockets (2019) and 43 (2018) from Mueller in DC.
 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47312898

It's been 22 months since former FBI Director Robert Mueller was appointed to head a special investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and whether the Trump campaign was involved.

Now his work is done and his report has been submitted to the Department of Justice.

But what does that mean? Time Magazine senior editor Ryan Teague Beckwith has described trying to keep up with the twists in the Mueller investigation as akin to understanding the plot of a Russian novel by listening to a book club conversation.

Now, at last, perhaps we will see the full manuscript. Or at least the CliffsNotes (that's York Notes to you Brits).

Or maybe we won't.

If it all seems confusing, that's because no-one knows exactly what happens next.

It doesn't mean we'll know all the details immediately - or ever.

The notoriously tight-lipped former FBI director could simply announce that his work is done, pack his bags and go back to a private life of golf clubs, corporate boards, academic speaking engagements and trips to the Apple store Genius Bar.



Wait, won't there be a final 'Mueller Report' with all the juicy details?

Not necessarily. In fact, probably not.

It doesn't seem likely there will be a detailed investigative narrative presented to the public similar to the multi-tome report produced by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr back in 1998.
Mr Starr's wide-ranging investigation that started with a real-estate inquiry and ended up scouring Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky was governed by a federal statute with different rules. And Mr Starr himself - a former judge and Republican administration lawyer - was a different kind of man to the by-the-books ex-Marine Mueller.

Mr Mueller's probe is conducted under the auspices of the Justice Department and is governed by its regulations.

The special counsel's obligations at the conclusion of his work are to provide a "confidential report" to Attorney General Bill Barr explaining his prosecutorial decisions.

Mr Barr must then provide the top members of the Senate and House Judiciary committees with a brief explanation of any actions taken - or instances where he overruled the special counsel's proposed action.

It is up to the attorney general to decide whether it would be in the "public interest" to make any of these reports or communications accessible to the rest of us.

Traditionally the Justice Department has been reluctant to provide information about investigations that do not lead to criminal prosecution. That was a guideline notably violated by former FBI Director James Comey during his July 2016 press statement outlining the results of a federal investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was Barack Obama's secretary of state.

It would be ironic, to say the least, if the resulting political fallout from Mr Comey's decision - which Ms Clinton's campaign believes dealt a mortal wound - is cited by Justice Department officials to defend a decision to keep confidential damaging details of the Mueller investigation involving Donald Trump.

What will Bill Barr do?
This is the million-dollar question.

In his testimony during his January Senate confirmation hearings, Mr Barr was repeatedly pressed by Democrats to promise he would make public any findings or reports produced by the Mueller investigation.

He demurred.

"My objective and goal is to get as much as I can of the information to Congress and the public," he told Senator Dianne Feinstein. "I am going to try to get the information out there consistent with these regulations and to the extent I have discretion, I will exercise that discretion to do that."

His answers left considerable wiggle room. He could view the Justice Department's special counsel regulations as a ceiling or a floor - a minimum requirement of disclosure that can be exceeded or a limit to what he can reveal, given confidentiality requirements and prosecutorial guidelines.

So we may not know anything?
It's certainly a possibility. Or if we do learn something, it could take a while to render it into a form for public consumption (or, given the way things work in Washington, to leak).

Imagine the scene in Washington, as the political world learns Mr Mueller has provided his findings to Mr Barr and then waits - for hours, days, maybe even weeks - to learn what, if anything, will come of it.

There is another possibility, however.

Up until now, Mr Mueller has spoken through his court filings, which are rich in detail and new revelations. While Mr Mueller's report to the attorney general will be confidential, it may not be his final word at the conclusion of his investigations.

There may be more indictments to come.

Over the course of the last 21 months, Mr Mueller - in his prosecutorial documents - has explained how Russian agents and operatives allegedly gathered information about the US political process, initiated a social media campaign to influence and enflame American political views, funded on-the-ground political activities, and hacked the emails and files of top Democratic operatives in an effort to damage Mrs Clinton's presidential campaign.

He has prosecuted multiple members of the president's inner campaign circle for a variety of misdeeds, including obstruction of justice and lying about Russian contacts.

He helped strike a deal with Mr Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, which unearthed evidence of Trump business negotiations with Russian officials conducted in the heat of the 2016 presidential campaign.

He indicted a Trump confidant, Roger Stone, for lying about his contacts with Wikileaks, the organisation he says was the conduit through which Russia injected its purloined material into the American political bloodstream.

The special counsel could be building a prosecutorial path that leads to the White House, with the final stones about to be set. Court-watchers note multiple sealed indictments have been filed in the federal courts used by Mr Mueller's team over the past few months. Those could be political and legal bombs, with their fuses lit.

Or they could be duds.

That's it, then?
Hardly. Even if the Mueller investigation closes up shop and there is no "report", there are no new indictments and the attorney general's public pronouncements provide few details, it's not the end of the story.

There are a number of cases initiated by the special counsel - involving Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn and deputy campaign aide Rick Gates - that still await final sentencing.

Former campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been jailed for fraud and for conspiracy related to illegal lobbying.

Long-time Trump adviser Mr Stone has yet to go to trial on his charges of lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction of justice. Mr Mueller has handed this prosecution over to government lawyers. There's also a special counsel case against Concord Management and Consulting, which Mr Mueller has charged with assisting Russia's 2016 social media election-meddling campaign.

Meanwhile there's a plethora of other ongoing investigations that are being run independently of the special counsel's office. Federal investigators in New York are looking into possible election-law violations by the Trump campaign and his businesses and misconduct by the Trump inaugural committee.

The US attorneys in Washington and Virginia also have their hands full, with the espionage case involving Russian Maria Butina and an unregistered foreign lobbying prosecution of Mr Flynn's business associates.

There are also state-level investigations of Mr Trump's charitable foundation and Trump Organization tax filings, as well as an ongoing lawsuit by Maryland and the District of Columbia alleging that the president, through his business dealings, is violating a constitutional rule prohibiting the acceptance of money from foreign governments while in office.

Mr Mueller may exit the stage, but the drama will continue.
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I’m really not comfortable with the investigation ending right now. The plug has been pulled.
 

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No new indictments.

Expecting nothing from this but ammo for Trump in 2020.
 

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I have a serious problem with threads like these that appear ad hoc. They sound desperate.
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It’s Seth Abramson, do yourself a favour and read credible news sources.
 

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I’m really not comfortable with the investigation ending right now. The plug has been pulled.
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Same. It feels wrong. I'm really hoping I'm just being paranoid.
 

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Of course it will be a complete letdown. Why else would Trump have been talking about not interfering with the report's release lately?

Our republic was good while it lasted. Long live the imperial presidency!
 

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Has seemed for a while we'll not get much out of this. But then Trump's successfully managed to get the party behind him to the point where only literal criminal charges that'd have seen him go to jail would've probably resulted in him actually vacating the Presidency. And even then, he'd have no doubt tried to cling on some way or another.

I think the disappointment has set in as well because of the above - had you said at the start of the investigation that literal members of Trump's campaign team would end up going to jail, then people would have probably been quite excited, even if Trump was going free. Nevertheless it's not ended up mattering all too much in the end - most people already know Trump is corrupt and this has served as some cosy confirmation.

Although suppose it was always Mueller's job to be professional and impartial, instead of going on the sort of single-minded witch-hunt Trump liked to think he was being subjected to.
 
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