Not at all, there's just a weird assumption going on that cos Mueller hasn't kicked the white house front door down with FBI swat in tow, it means he didn't find anything on Trump.
It's just following due process, we know nothing john snow.
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It's just following due process, we know nothing john snow.
Assuming there were no ongoing negotiations for Trump Tower Baghdad or Kabul, Trump would’ve probably done far more in terms of interventions after the anger and pain of 9/11, particularly as he’s a New Yorker.
I knew years ago this was a nothing burger, said it on here but received 20 
emojis from the intellectuals on here.
I think the liberal non-russiagates reporters such as Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate deserve tremendous credit for their reporting the last two years or so.
The left have basically ensured Trumps re-election.
SAD!
emojis from the intellectuals on here.I think the liberal non-russiagates reporters such as Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate deserve tremendous credit for their reporting the last two years or so.
The left have basically ensured Trumps re-election.
SAD!
What? You don't think we can multi-task?
It's not as if we look at only one item on a news-site @VorZakone
What do you want? A Blue Peter Badge?I knew years ago this was a nothing burger, said it on here but received 20
I think the liberal non-russiagates reporters such as Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate deserve tremendous credit for their reporting the last two years or so.
The left have basically ensured Trumps re-election.
SAD!
So the nasty Intellecshuals chased you off? There's a big difference between hoping that something will happen and believing it but at least you had the courage of your convictions to stick at it. er.
They are not the actual left. Many of them would probably rather see Trump reelected than a Bernie presidency. Many have been accusing these sober journalists on the left to be Russian agents.I knew years ago this was a nothing burger, said it on here but received 20
I think the liberal non-russiagates reporters such as Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate deserve tremendous credit for their reporting the last two years or so.
The left have basically ensured Trumps re-election.
SAD!
Why are some people acting as if the report has been made public already? At least save the "I told you so stuff" until we know what's in it.
Ah. Thanks.
Not sure gloating about this issue is a good look, but it is a football forum.I knew years ago this was a nothing burger, said it on here but received 20
I think the liberal non-russiagates reporters such as Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate deserve tremendous credit for their reporting the last two years or so.
The left have basically ensured Trumps re-election.
SAD!
Mueller was never going to be the end of it. Especially given dems just won the house by 10m votes, largely on promises of investigating Trump.
Also none of Muellers work would be on his clear financial crimes - that will be handed off to other investigators
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Cool. One can still hope
What would the barriers be to a very rich nation eventually acquiring it anyway? Just out of interest.
This has "You Can Quote Me" thread written all over it.I knew years ago this was a nothing burger, said it on here but received 20
I think the liberal non-russiagates reporters such as Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate deserve tremendous credit for their reporting the last two years or so.
The left have basically ensured Trumps re-election.
SAD!
I’m reading all the replies here saying nothing will happen but I’d still be very surprised if the report didn’t prove obstruction of justice at the least. At the start of this process I was very much of the opinion that OOJ could get him ousted but now I’d actually be surprised if it did - the country has gone batshit insane for this guy.
So far all we know is there won’t be any more indictments, which doesn’t absolve Trump of anything since we already know that DOJ policy doesn’t currently allow the President to be indicted. If however Mueller says Trump broke the law by obstructing justice then that would be significant. This report obviously doesn’t speak to the other possibly more perilous investigation the SDNY are doing on Trump.
The same New Yorker who, on the day of the attack, bragged that his building was now the tallest in the city.
Why are some posters celebrating in here?
I think Pakistan took a lot of shit and alienation from international monetary agencies for selling it to North Korea. Ofcourse US has tbe clout to tell then to feck off so it's an entirely different ball game.
In general the countries that have nuclear power don't like to sell to others, owing to non proliferation agreements and it's an elite club that don't want additional members.
I haven't commented on the report, I've just commented on your reaction to the report which is, really and truly, one of the things the right wing media predicted would happen, and you (among others) ridiculed them at the time for such a suggestion. If you're looking for someone that's already passing judgment on a report they haven't seen, look no further:
I think the report will be exactly what reasonable people expected it to be. You and the anti-Trump clique gave up on that idea a long time ago. Isn't that worth reflecting on?
Given that Trump is under a more serious investigation by SDNY and the state of NY, it’s likely the anti-Trump clique aren’t far off in their assessments. It’s the people who expected him to walk out in an orange jumpsuit in handcuffs that may be a bit disappointed.
Even Fox News admitted he probably did some dodgy deals in his real estate business, almost 2 years ago. Naturally they palmed it off as "well if you're working with some dodgy people, you're gonna get your hands dirty". That wasn't a big prediction given the amount of publicly available information on it for well over a decade, and the appetite the democrats were showing.
It was a big prediction that this Russia investigation would have devastating consequences. And it was made repeatedly by the anti-Trump clique, and supported with mockery of people who didn't join in the circle jerk. Let's see the report and then we'll be able to match up the various pieces of speculation in that thread with the end results. Not far off in their assessments would mean we're going to see some groundbreaking stuff.
Surely you don't believe one needs a report to be anti-Trump? The man is a cesspit.
“Anti Trump circle jerk” - you say this as if hating Donald Trump is somehow absurd.
Ikr? Weird reactions from some
Undoubtedly. Yet you'll find instances of people not being anti-Trump enough - despite calling him a despicable human being, detailing many transgressions, etc. - by the clique on here. Unless the views were extreme, the motives behind those views became questionable. Which is when it turned into a circle jerk.
It's difficult to understand when you're within the clique. But really, read back over the speculation vs the reality, and consider the way people were attacked for dismissing the speculation, why that might've been, and what might be a better way of going about things next time.Ikr? Weird reactions from some
Yes it's exactly that kind off response which makes it cliquey. Your view is totally different to mine so I'm going to oust you from this group and put you in another group, one which is roundly despised. Very reasonable response to what was an outrageous comment.In the clique?
You sound like a fecking Trumper! What's happened to some of ya?
If you need confirmation yet again, I think Trump is a despicable human being, with a perspective on life that I find truly destructive and very dangerous in his position, and I think he probably "colluded" with the Russians in some minor way and certainly obstructed justice. Proving the latter is very difficult, given the whole corrupt intent thing, and we've seen nothing of the former that indicates anything worthy of an indictment. That's quite a way off the speculation that was contained in the Russiagate thread.
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In a normal world I'd say that scum like Cohen, Manafort, Stone and Flynn being found guilty of or convicted for federal crimes is a pretty big deal (because how many times in the past have we seen those types get away with murder) and a nice prelude towards going after Trump and the rest of his inner circle for other stuff in the future.
Some extra pressure is now being put on various GRU-related (amateuristic) cyber espionage groups as well which is never a bad thing. Not the Hollywoodesque homerun ending favoured by the masses where the Jawline of Justice beats the Orange Overlord in a sizzling season finale, but still.
Some extra pressure is now being put on various GRU-related (amateuristic) cyber espionage groups as well which is never a bad thing. Not the Hollywoodesque homerun ending favoured by the masses where the Jawline of Justice beats the Orange Overlord in a sizzling season finale, but still.
So why are you in here gloating then? With the I told you so's? Who cares about groups etc? Nothing has even come out yet! Honestly it's weird as feck to me...
Y'all funny
Great thread. Agree with most of what he is saying. In some ways Russian collusion was always the Benghazi for democrats. That doesn't mean that Trump has not done illegal stuff that he should be accountable for but I don't think the hollywood style conspiracy, that over enthusiastic liberals believe in, has even been real. Even around the elections, there has never been proof that actual vote counts were ever affected by Russia melding. They used new media to influence the conversation but that already happens in US all the time via legal means of insane amount of political advertisements on old media. Dems should have actually focussed the investigation on the voter suppressions given that's how the Republicans actually steal elections all the time.
I'm not gloating. Interpreting it that way is part of the problem of the me vs. you mentality that becomes normalised in the kind of clique that formed around anti-Trumpism. I'm giving you another perspective to consider. If you think the wild speculation was useful even if it was inaccurate then more power to you. I'm just outlining some of the reasons why it might not be, for you or others.So why are you in here gloating then? With the I told you so's? Who cares about groups etc? Nothing has even come out yet! Honestly it's weird as feck to me...
Y'all funny
It's weird because you're in so deep. That's the disconnect here. Just try taking on a different perspective and see if it provides some clarity.
I'm in so deep?
to what end?Read what you are writing. You seem to be the one pushing the narrative of us vs them but you can't see it. This whole reaction is funny to me.
Trumps campaign manager is in jail. Flynn Pled guilty. Cohen paid off porn stars on behalf of Trump. Etc etc... But apparently Trump is innocent and liberals have been shown up so let's celebrate.
If I'm in too deep then you're right there with me
I'm a liberal so no, I very much see it as "us". You're the one that suggested maybe I'm one of "them", just two posts ago, for holding an alternative opinion. It's pretty straightforward man.I'm in so deep?
Read what you are writing. You seem to be the one pushing the narrative of us vs them but you can't see it. This whole reaction is funny to me.
Trumps campaign manager is in jail. Flynn Pled guilty. Cohen paid off porn stars on behalf of Trump. Etc etc... But apparently Trump is innocent and liberals have been shown up so let's celebrate.
If I'm in too deep then you're right there with me
Your interpretation that people are celebrating because Trump is innocent is tragically skewed. It's what happens when you exist in that bubble. I do not think Trump is innocent, in general, and Muller's report producing no more indictments is not something I find worthy of celebration. If your only response is to continuously make false assumptions about the motives and interests of the other then you might want to consider what that suggests. I'll leave you to it.
To think that nixon got fired for much less..
It's not that deep mate. Just an observation... Call it celebrating, call it "I told you so". I've been looking online at the reaction and it's funny to me...
Nothing has come out but you have some feeling deflated and some pointing and laughing at those people feeling deflated. What ever happened to wait and see?
Come on though look at the posts in here over the last few pages... You're pretty much making the same observation as me. Stop trying so hard to pigeon hole me...
I suppose I should have used the word "develop" instead of acquire. Saudi Arabia would surely be able to train/purchase the minds capable of developing it and the tech. Would the US really threaten them with sanctions if they started a programme?
There is a 100% chance this post does not age well. Will you delete it before then, I wonder?I knew years ago this was a nothing burger, said it on here but received 20
I think the liberal non-russiagates reporters such as Glenn Greenwald, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate deserve tremendous credit for their reporting the last two years or so.
The left have basically ensured Trumps re-election.
SAD!
I'm not even sure what point @Brwned is trying to make. It's only natural people were going to speculate; that's half of what we do on a forum. Some of it turned out to be true and some of it didn't.
This also feels like a discussion to be had after we actually know what's in the report.
This also feels like a discussion to be had after we actually know what's in the report.