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Here's something you can't often say... Smackdown was the best wrestling TV show of the week.

Reigns has really breathed life into the show.
 

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Here's something you can't often say... Smackdown was the best wrestling TV show of the week.

Reigns has really breathed life into the show.
Yet still highly predictable. Can’t wait till Oatis cashes in on Roman.

There are certainly more interesting stories there but they’ll screw it up as per usual.
 

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Matt Sydal with possibly the worst debut since Shockmaster :lol:

I remember Sin Cara botching his entrance on his debut,
Did wonder if that was Even Bourne r not as I haven’t seen him since he left WWE
 

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Honestly Zack Ryder stands out like a sore thumb. He looks far too WWE for the AEW roster at the moment - all about his look, slow and plodding speed and cartoonish movements
 

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Good AEW PPV not a great one like 90% of their PPVs. Kinda wish the main event went the other way and as mentioned, some unintentional moments in previous matches detrracted from them. Was pleasantly surprised with the womens match though, one of the best in AEW so far for sure.
 

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Oh and for the record, I didnt like them restarting the match to finish Hardy Vs. Sammy. Every moment Matt was on that structure I was just hoping he didnt slip. I'm guessing they felt a need to make sure there was a correct finish because Hardy had said he'd leave if he lost, but the match getting X'd I'm sure nobody would have expected him to leave, just redo the match when everyone is healthy...
 

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Oh and for the record, I didnt like them restarting the match to finish Hardy Vs. Sammy. Every moment Matt was on that structure I was just hoping he didnt slip. I'm guessing they felt a need to make sure there was a correct finish because Hardy had said he'd leave if he lost, but the match getting X'd I'm sure nobody would have expected him to leave, just redo the match when everyone is healthy...
The whole thing was just dumb. From whoever planned that spot, to the execution of it to the continuing after.

In 2020 I really don't need Matt Hardy falling off things.
 

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Oh and for the record, I didnt like them restarting the match to finish Hardy Vs. Sammy. Every moment Matt was on that structure I was just hoping he didnt slip. I'm guessing they felt a need to make sure there was a correct finish because Hardy had said he'd leave if he lost, but the match getting X'd I'm sure nobody would have expected him to leave, just redo the match when everyone is healthy...
Christ.. they finished the match AFTER he hit his head in the clip above?

Wrestlers really are too brave and proud for their own good a lot of the time, but surely somebody should’ve stepped in and stopped that from happening. Work it into an angle if you must... The clip of him falling is very scary
 

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Christ.. they finished the match AFTER he hit his head in the clip above?

Wrestlers really are too brave and proud for their own good a lot of the time, but surely somebody should’ve stepped in and stopped that from happening. Work it into an angle if you must... The clip of him falling is very scary
They stopped for like 4 mins, looking like it was finished and they didnt know what to do. Then suddenly Sammy came out again and they went straight to the finish, which was climbing up the lighting grid and Matt knocking Sammy off and him not getting up for the 10 count
 

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JR is a relic. A tired old boring pervy relic. AEW need to dump him.
Most of the time he sounds like he doesn't want to be there
Tony.S sounds better than him and he was out for a long long time
 

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Said this from his very first appearance. Someone like JR you want in your company but shouldn't be anywhere near the commentary desk.

It's laughable people tried to defend him.
 

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Someone on Reddit said it best. From their offices to their fanbase, AEW doesn't handle criticism well.
 

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Matt Sydal with possibly the worst debut since Shockmaster :lol:

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Didn't even bother watching it. Funnily enough I had a feeling that someone was gonna get injured last night. Not surprised it was Matt. Sammy and Darby are doing some dangerous shit which I get because they're young and feel invincible but the older crowd should not be trying to compete with them.

Hopefully they tone the spots down from now on and concentrate on the wrestling. Keep it in the ring ffs. Best match they've done was Bucks Vs Omega & Page and that didn't rely on silly spots. They need to pick them better.
 

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Just watched it, thought it an ok show 2 tag matches very good and women’s title match also decent. Rest was ok. The botched and Hardy hit really took the momentum out of it. Poorly handle by them.

Tony Khan and Cody don’t take criticism well at all. I think AEW needs to tone down the WWE shots too. It makes people compare and AEW needs to distance it’s self from WWE.
 

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Cody really cant take criticism it seems.

AEW however got great talent that are not former WWE guys. MJF, Page, Sammy, Perry are defo four guys that need to have the company built around them. 2 heels and 2 faces.
 

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Which Wrestling company takes critisism well? WWE are extremely restrictive with everything to the point where they dismiss everything outside of WWE as not mattering.

What AEW can say is that they have listened to the fans and changed along the way. Several things that were complained about at one point or another were changed. Examples being all the EVP's being champ - that was said before the company started, and they all put other people over at the start - possibly at the detriment of the company because really people would have wanted to see Omega at his best in main events. So they couldnt win with that one really. Then there was "everyone is small" so they signed a bunch of big guys and Dynamite had a couple of big man squash matches every week.

WWE just ignores what people say. I dont know about NJPW because I dont know whats said about them in Japanese, but English critisism certainly never changes anything.
 

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The best thing AEW can do is don't acknowledge the competition. Vince did that in the 90s with WCW, while WCW acted like the noisy neighbour tooting their horn. I know that there is some strategy in that because AEW is smaller than WWE that they can afford to take a cheeky dig here and there at WWE because WWE is the evil empire so to speak, but if you're going to do it, be clever about it (make it a low-key thing) and don't do it constantly.

From memory, the only two times I remember WCW got acknowledged on WWF in the 90s was the D-X Invasion of a WCW event which built into their gimmick, and Jim Cornette basically doing shoot monologues on Raw about how shit WCW and WWF were, which built into his 'southern 80s rasslin' background and which fed into a short-lived and ultimately failed NWA faction in WWF.
 

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The best thing AEW can do is don't acknowledge the competition. Vince did that in the 90s with WCW, while WCW acted like the noisy neighbour tooting their horn. I know that there is some strategy in that because AEW is smaller than WWE that they can afford to take a cheeky dig here and there at WWE because WWE is the evil empire so to speak, but if you're going to do it, be clever about it (make it a low-key thing) and don't do it constantly.

From memory, the only two times I remember WCW got acknowledged on WWF in the 90s was the D-X Invasion of a WCW event which built into their gimmick, and Jim Cornette basically doing shoot monologues on Raw about how shit WCW and WWF were, which built into his 'southern 80s rasslin' background and which fed into a short-lived and ultimately failed NWA faction in WWF.
Vince also got asked to join DX? and his famous "id rather join dubya see dubya..."
 

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The best thing AEW can do is don't acknowledge the competition. Vince did that in the 90s with WCW, while WCW acted like the noisy neighbour tooting their horn. I know that there is some strategy in that because AEW is smaller than WWE that they can afford to take a cheeky dig here and there at WWE because WWE is the evil empire so to speak, but if you're going to do it, be clever about it (make it a low-key thing) and don't do it constantly.

From memory, the only two times I remember WCW got acknowledged on WWF in the 90s was the D-X Invasion of a WCW event which built into their gimmick, and Jim Cornette basically doing shoot monologues on Raw about how shit WCW and WWF were, which built into his 'southern 80s rasslin' background and which fed into a short-lived and ultimately failed NWA faction in WWF.
Are you serious?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

JR is WWE's main commentator. This is WCW's response


Madusa is WWE womens champion. Her contract expires while she still has the belt. WCW sign her and have her take the WWF belt on live tv for this


How about spoiling WWF's pay per view result because it was pre-taped and WCW was live. They thought this would tank WWF's rating, but actually it went up


Seems like every couple of pages someone suggests WCW and WWF never used to mention each other. They more than mentioned each other, all the time. That was the entire war was childish stupid stuff making fun of each other and pretending each other were crap promotions not worth watching.
 
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Are you serious?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

JR is WWE's main commentator. This is WCW's response


Madusa is WWE womens champion. Her contract expires while she still has the belt. WCW sign her and have her take the WWF belt on live tv for this


How about spoiling WWF's pay per view result because it was pre-taped and WCW was live. They thought this would tank WWF's rating, but actually it went up


Seems like every couple of pages someone suggests WCW and WWF never used to mention each other. They more than mentioned each other, all the time. That was the entire war was childish stupid stuff making fun of each other and pretending each other were crap promotions not worth watching.
I said WWF mentioning/referencing WCW, not the other way around.

WCW made reference to WWF as frequently as most people change their underwear.
 

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Four of the last five matches in AEW All out were really good. That 8 man tag match had no place on the PPV though imo. Kinda outta place and probably should have been on the preshow. Probably was the worst AEW PPV but that could be due to circumstances as well as it wasnt bad either.

They need to find a way to put more mics near the crowd so it sounds more electric, or how AEW PPVs used to be.

The Matt Sydal one botch was unlucky cos weve seen him hit it so many times. The Matt Hardy thing was nonsense. He doesnt need to be doing stuff like this at his age (it was mistimed / miscalculated). But they had a perfect cut off place when Aubrey rang the bell. Just call it a no-contest. Have Sami brag how he ended Matt for a few weeks, then have a rematch and Matt wins that, especially since they restarted it just to go straight to the ending.
Weird how the doctor cleared Matt.

I think the worst thing on the show however which wasnt mentioned cos he got away with it was Darby Allins elimination in the body bag. That was probably the most dangerous thing on the show whereas the other two were mishaps / mistakes. This was stupid imo. Some of these people need to be saved from themselves.
 

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Better matches
Better booking
Using young talent
WCW 99 and on was trash
Aew isn't
 

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Better matches
Better booking
Using young talent
WCW 99 and on was trash
Aew isn't
WCW late 90s - tearing up script day of show, sometimes not finishing script till after the show has started.

Thats WWE now.

Because of that storylines often dont make sense, or just dissappear entirely and theres not much continuity.

Also WCW had "old timers" who Vince had decided were past it at 40 years old, WCW's success came with taking those guys.

However their problem was never pushing up the young talent to be on their level. Thats why the likes of Jericho, Benoit and Eddie Guerrero who all had great matches in the midcard decided to leave and went to WWF. And eventually people got bored of the same guys all the time.

Who is the company that has all the older guys on top now? WWE
AEW is making new, young stars.
 

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Better matches
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Using young talent
WCW 99 and on was trash
Aew isn't
What young talent? All leading wrestlers are ex-wwe. The ex-indie guys are all horrible. And what better booking and matches? All mud show crap. Even more backward than WWE. AEW is awful.
 

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WCW late 90s - tearing up script day of show, sometimes not finishing script till after the show has started.

Thats WWE now.

Because of that storylines often dont make sense, or just dissappear entirely and theres not much continuity.
How is that WWE now. Please give some examples.


Also WCW had "old timers" who Vince had decided were past it at 40 years old, WCW's success came with taking those guys.
Who is the company that has all the older guys on top now? WWE

AEW is making new, young stars.
All the guys in the top spots in AEW are ex-WWE....????? Ambrose and Rhodes are near 40. Kenny Olivieri must be mid 40s. Jericho is 50 at least. Who are the new young stars!?!