This. It's at such a high point and the product is very good. Some of the matches are insane
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
This. It's at such a high point and the product is very good. Some of the matches are insane
From IG, quite a few of them were sampling the Belgian waffles.
Maybe Jey had too many
Maybe Jey had too many
The Jey stuff wasn’t nearly as bad as made out. The guy is insanely over. Strike while that irons hot. I think it’s obvious it won’t last forever so you do it now and milk every single bit of it while you can.
It was incredibly bad
A botched move over the top rope? It happens, it’s not the end of the world. He will still come out on Monday and get a louder reaction than anybody.
Not seen the spear/crossbody?
Of course. Just don’t think it’s that big of a deal and will be forgotten about by next Monday. It happens.
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Hes bloody awful in the ring so is his brother. Hed better make the most of this as hes not gonna last long when he wins.
No man. The whole awful squash match with poor Austin Theory where he did multiple botches even though the match was only 90 seconds long.
The rope botch was just the shit icing on the shit cake.
It was a spear, not a crossbody.
Cena's promo was a bit confusing. Why did he not mention The Rock in his promo?
Listen, everybody has their preferences and I get some don’t like him. It won’t last forever, it’ll die down eventually but when you have somebody as over as this in a movement like this you have to strike, similar to the Yes movement, similar to Kofi winning the title etc. He’s never going to be more over, in fact he’s as over as anybody in the company right now. You put the title on him for an unbelievable feel good moment that will create brilliant memories and do a shit load of good for the company considering how over he is. It’ll eventually die down more than likely similar to how Kofi did there’s no doubt in my mind about that but the company would be stupid not to strike while the irons hot. He deserves it.
Of course it was a bit shit but the overreaction because it’s Jey just seems so OTT. It happens.
Can anyone help me remember the name of this match.
Wrestlers are in the ring as normal but the ring is completely surrounded by other wrestlers and if one of those in the ring falls out the ones outside can attack them and throw them back in.
Wrestlers are in the ring as normal but the ring is completely surrounded by other wrestlers and if one of those in the ring falls out the ones outside can attack them and throw them back in.
Lumberjack
That's it, thank you so much.
Do you have any examples of this "just happening"?
Remembering that Theory beat John Cena at Wrestlemania not too long ago.
Yes. Watch any episode of any wrestling show and you’ll see it happening. It happens weekly.
It was meant to be a spear…but it sure looked more like a crossbody, didn’t michael cole call it that in commentary too? Either way, it looked shite, especially when it’s off the back of running the ropes a few times and when bron does that it looks so much better.
I’m not intentionally shitting on Jey. He’s alright. But I can’t personally recall any particularly great singles match he’s ever had. The whole of WM yeeting when he wins will look cool though, and then he’ll drop the title after a few months and we’ll forget it ever happened.
Michael Cole did call it a crossbody.
Ah come on man
I do watch every week.
Give me an example, preferably recent.
You can see examples of moves going wrong pretty much every week, but it stood out more for Jey because he did two in quick succession where they basically the only thing happening.
Seth did an awful pedigree on Finn recently, JD McDonagh brained himself on the announce table, Penta had both feet on the floor during the rumble, the men's WarGames match saw Tonga Loa and Bronson Reed both injure themselves, and the women's WarGames match was just generally really sloppy.
Just think of the amount of times a commentator will go "didn't get all of it!". That's pretty much always covering up a move that didn't connect properly.
I said a lot more in my post mate.
Do I need to quote myself?
Please, this kind of bad faith argument is for Current Affairs threads
To repeat what I said again, with bullets. Can you give me examples of:
- 90 second match with multiple botches
- Squashed a person who beat the calibre of Cena at Wrestlemania
I said that the rope botch was shit icing on a shit cake.
I said a lot more in my post mate.
Do I need to quote myself?
Please, this kind of bad faith argument is for Current Affairs threads
To repeat what I said again, with bullets. Can you give me examples of:
- 90 second match with multiple botches
- Squashed a person who beat the calibre of Cena at Wrestlemania
I said that the rope botch was shit icing on a shit cake.
Examples already given and I don’t really need to because if you watch the product or have watched wrestling over the years you’ll know it happens every single week, there’s been ten times worst than that let’s be real but it’s highlighted a bit more here because some aren’t too happy with Jey winning the Rumble because they don’t rate him.
Bringing Theory into it is pointless. Nobody sees him as anything more than an average extra body on the roster right now, him being squashed will be forgotten quite quickly. We’ve seen bigger stars beaten like that.
It was a match where Uso didn’t quite hit his finisher properly. It’s one botch. After the match he got caught trying to do a dive over the top rope, something he’s pulled off for years countless times, it’s a completely nothing thing that happens to even the best in the business is my point.
If you don’t like him that’s fair enough, making it into more than what it is seems silly though.
I said a lot more in my post mate.
Do I need to quote myself?
Please, this kind of bad faith argument is for Current Affairs threads
To repeat what I said again, with bullets. Can you give me examples of:
- 90 second match with multiple botches
- Squashed a person who beat the calibre of Cena at Wrestlemania
I said that the rope botch was shit icing on a shit cake.
Bad faith?
The "it happens" you responded to clearly wasn't referring to the very specific "90 second match with multiple botches" or "guy who beat Cena at Mania that later got squashed" parts, but just botching moves in general.
As I said, it stood out more because Jey did two in quick succession and they were basically the only things that happened, but people do botch moves pretty much every week.
As for squashes, Kofi and Kevin both got squashed by Brock and Goldberg respectively as world champions, which is far more egregious than Theory getting squashed two years later during a "slump" storyline with A-Town Down Under two years after he cheated to beat Cena at Mania.
Also, I'm not the guy you initially responded to, I just pointed out some recent botches.
The "it happens" was in direct reply to a comment of mine that was about the whole situation, not the rope botch.
Thanks for the squash examples. I'll have to check those out to be able to comment on them.
Brock and Goldberg are not your run of the mill wrestlers though, and Goldberg was constantly squashing people so it definitely wasn't out of character for him.
I’d also care to know why the sudden change of heart
Many, many promos he made where he said he respected those who booed him and would fight for those who cheered him through thick and thin
Why now are they suddenly all cnuts?
I know what it was in response to, but it was also quite clearly referring to more general botching, and not the very specific two big botches in a two minute segment that also saw a previously pushed guy get squashed.
Both the Brock and Goldberg squashes were incredibly cheap. Kofimania was still pretty hot then they decided to put the title on Brock just so he could go three minutes with Cain Velasquez at a Saudi show, only for Velasquez to never actually appear again, and Goldberg squashed Kevin after he turned on Jericho, just to get the title on Goldberg for Goldberg vs Brock III at Mania.
Just watched the Brock Kofi match.
It didn't take long
It's awful.
Diabolical and a prime indictment of Vince booking.
The Goldberg Owens one was also not much of a drain on my time.
I think this one is different, because Jericho distracts Owens and Goldberg had a lengthy run in WCW of squashing many people like this.
So, we've got a squash in 2019 and one in 2017, with the 2017 one being part of a catalogue of similar squashes for Goldberg.
It still absolutely does not happen all the time.
And their 2019 one is universally despised.
And it goes without saying Jey is nowhere near the ability level of those two.
So I'm not really seeing why this Jey squash is any less of a bad thing that shouldnt be absolutely derided.
He didn't have to cut a long promo and justify everything. He didn't have to mention that enough is enough or that he's not giving us a new theme or attire.
I'd prefer him to speak less and just be a cnut.
Im a huge fan of Gunther but part of me wants to see Jey squash Gunther in a ten second match just hitting a superkick, a spear and a splash, and botching all three ....
Ok not really, but people really are getting too irked by Jey. I reckon Jey is sorta trying to ensure he doesnt get hurt also. Wouldnt be surprised if he goes all in at the mania match. TBH, most people who go to the shows wont really care about this week or a botch or two. Its like when he won the Rumble, and people online were talking about it being a mistake, and the next shows the fans went wild and even asked for an encore of his entrance music.
He defo had the worst mania match last year. Im hoping he wants to put it right, and with it being against Gunther, he has a chance. their SNME wasnt that bad, and tbh, I kinda remember Gunther spamming a move as much as Jey did the superkick (was in the clothesline or the chop?). Jey is defo on a hot streak and it makes sense to take advantage of it.
They didnt (or maybe couldnt) with LA knight or Sami a year or two ago, (and part of the reason they created the title that Jey is now competing for). Jey defo doesnt win the rumble if theres only one title like during most of Romans reign.
Ok not really, but people really are getting too irked by Jey. I reckon Jey is sorta trying to ensure he doesnt get hurt also. Wouldnt be surprised if he goes all in at the mania match. TBH, most people who go to the shows wont really care about this week or a botch or two. Its like when he won the Rumble, and people online were talking about it being a mistake, and the next shows the fans went wild and even asked for an encore of his entrance music.
He defo had the worst mania match last year. Im hoping he wants to put it right, and with it being against Gunther, he has a chance. their SNME wasnt that bad, and tbh, I kinda remember Gunther spamming a move as much as Jey did the superkick (was in the clothesline or the chop?). Jey is defo on a hot streak and it makes sense to take advantage of it.
They didnt (or maybe couldnt) with LA knight or Sami a year or two ago, (and part of the reason they created the title that Jey is now competing for). Jey defo doesnt win the rumble if theres only one title like during most of Romans reign.
Unless wrestling/carnie logic has changed massively over the last 40 years I always assumed that your guys in the Heavyweight Title picture were never the most outstanding workers but would draw like feck in ticket sales and merch. Then your IC belt level guys were the proper workers having the good matches rather than the big meaty men slappin' meat. Sounds like Jey is just a smaller version of what there always has been, someone that over should be near too or at the top of the card.
Just watched the Brock Kofi match.
It didn't take long
It's awful.
Diabolical and a prime indictment of Vince booking.
The Goldberg Owens one was also not much of a drain on my time.
I think this one is different, because Jericho distracts Owens and Goldberg had a lengthy run in WCW of squashing many people like this.
So, we've got a squash in 2019 and one in 2017, with the 2017 one being part of a catalogue of similar squashes for Goldberg.
It still absolutely does not happen all the time.
And their 2019 one is universally despised.
And it goes without saying Jey is nowhere near the ability level of those two.
So I'm not really seeing why this Jey squash is any less of a bad thing that shouldnt be absolutely derided.
Nah, the Goldberg one was horrific too. The Owens/Jericho feud should have had the blowoff match be for the Universal title at Mania, and instead it ended up being for the US title and being a bit meh because all of the steam had gone from the feud after the Owens squash.
The point also wasn't that squashes happen all the time, or that Jey squashing Theory is above criticism. It was that the criticism of Jey has been overblown by a section of the fanbase that have been criticising everything he's done since he won the rumble. It was a crap match/segment, but the guy is over as feck and they're striking while the iron is hot. I'd be very suprised if he's champ past SummerSlam.
Also, it's obviously far worse to have one of your top champions squashed just to do a quick title change to try and heat to a random match than it is for a random midcarder to be squashed by your number one contender.
Nah there were good workers in the HW back in my day. Angle, Benoit, Jericho etc were great to watch. Or maybe they were shit and my standards were low.
I agree that those were good dudes, but I think they are part of a rarer breed of guys who were super over but also happened to be some of the best in-ring talent at the time. There was a period from Bret until around the mid-00's where you could guarantee that the HW Champ could go. But I think generally in wrestling history, its always been whoever is drawing the most money is going to have the title put on them.
Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior spring to mind.
didnt they literally have Rollins promoting the world title as the workers belt
Yeah, but that was while Roman wad part-timing the other one.
Moxley just has some kind of public masochist fetish at this point.
Talking of squash matches, didn't Rey get squashed by Khali when he was champion? Rey was booked horribly though