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When in Saudi, the men should also cover up in solidarity for the women.

Don't be showing those exposed thighs and chests to these people.
 
Literally killing Chad Gable and Kaiser with this El Grande Americano shite.
For Chad Gable its fine, especially given the whole story of him losing to luchadors, then 'becoming one' which is obvious but they play it out like its two different people (from his perspective)

For Kaiser, its a waste. He has a good look, can talk, is good in the ring.
 
For the people who've gone to WWE at O2, what's the best bar to book?
 
It’s crazy they get full houses for some of these Smackdowns, literally nothing of note happens
 
I came across this brutal botch on YT:

Moonsault landed horrifically.



Anyone know if the guy was okay?
 
So who got tickets for forbidden door?
Me. Been to every event in the UK so far. I'd have preferred a normal PPV like All In again personally, or even just a standard Dynamite/Collision taping, but sure this will still be good and I like a lot of the New Japan wrestlers in general.
 
I'm guessing that we're heading towards Punk and Knight with a mystery partner (Reigns) vs. Seth's group at SummerSlam
 
Me. Been to every event in the UK so far. I'd have preferred a normal PPV like All In again personally, or even just a standard Dynamite/Collision taping, but sure this will still be good and I like a lot of the New Japan wrestlers in general.
Don't think I'd have paid for a standard dynamite/collision tbf, be wasted on me. Never really watched forbidden door before, but excited to see Tanahashi mainly. Another one I never thought I'd get to see live.

Hoping Edge will be back for it but tbh not even that arsed anymore. Would be cool though.
 
I'm guessing that we're heading towards Punk and Knight with a mystery partner (Reigns) vs. Seth's group at SummerSlam
Nah it's surely gotta be Punk Vs Seth in a big stipulation match (like Hell in a Cell maybe). It'll likely be the Night 1 main event and Roman returns to cost Seth the match. But I reckon Seth cashes in on Cody/Cena the next night to walk out champion.
 
Nah it's surely gotta be Punk Vs Seth in a big stipulation match (like Hell in a Cell maybe). It'll likely be the Night 1 main event and Roman returns to cost Seth the match. But I reckon Seth cashes in on Cody/Cena the next night to walk out champion.
He'll cash in before either men eat a pin most likely.
 
if Cena isn't champion until his last match.... what exactly is he doing that doesn't essentially make the rest of this totally pointless, I know it's wrestling and all.... but they can't be THAT short sighted surely?
 
if Cena isn't champion until his last match.... what exactly is he doing that doesn't essentially make the rest of this totally pointless, I know it's wrestling and all.... but they can't be THAT short sighted surely?
He'll probably fight his way back to a shot as a face to get number 18 (but probably fail on his last match).
 
if Cena isn't champion until his last match.... what exactly is he doing that doesn't essentially make the rest of this totally pointless, I know it's wrestling and all.... but they can't be THAT short sighted surely?
Cena has to turn face before he leaves, and losing the title will likely start that redemption. My theory is Seth cashes in at SummerSlam after Cena hesitates to use heel tactics to beat Cody. I wouldn't be surprised if The Rock shows up to align with Seth and essentially drop Cena.

Seth and Heyman were talking about a Plan B last week and I suppose this would be it. It starts Cena's redemption arc which ultimately ends in him hitting an AA on the Rock in his final appearance. The Rock probably can't wrestle so this would be the best payoff, especially as they started Cena's heel run with the Rock.
 
Nah it's surely gotta be Punk Vs Seth in a big stipulation match (like Hell in a Cell maybe). It'll likely be the Night 1 main event and Roman returns to cost Seth the match. But I reckon Seth cashes in on Cody/Cena the next night to walk out champion.
Bron to steal the briefcase and cash in
 
Don't think I'd have paid for a standard dynamite/collision tbf, be wasted on me. Never really watched forbidden door before, but excited to see Tanahashi mainly. Another one I never thought I'd get to see live.

Hoping Edge will be back for it but tbh not even that arsed anymore. Would be cool though.
That's fair if you're not familiar with the wrestlers and ongoing storylines. Yeah getting to see Japanese legends wrestle on a big stage in the UK isn't going to happen very often. I went to a New Japan event a couple of years ago just as their partnership with AEW was starting and it was in a sports hall in Crystal Palace, it felt like a weirdly small venue for it but I think that made it better to be honest.

I've been a little underwhelmed by Edge/Cope. I never really gelled with him that much anyway to be honest, much prefer Christian, and his heel character has been hilarious since he turned.
 
Cena has to turn face before he leaves, and losing the title will likely start that redemption. My theory is Seth cashes in at SummerSlam after Cena hesitates to use heel tactics to beat Cody. I wouldn't be surprised if The Rock shows up to align with Seth and essentially drop Cena.

Seth and Heyman were talking about a Plan B last week and I suppose this would be it. It starts Cena's redemption arc which ultimately ends in him hitting an AA on the Rock in his final appearance. The Rock probably can't wrestle so this would be the best payoff, especially as they started Cena's heel run with the Rock.

You can't have a redemption angle.... when you've done essentially next to nothing to redeem from. He's barely gone dark. Thus the issue with him just up and losing at Summerslam then "oh sorry guys I failed at ruined wrestling".... cut to the Rock or someone "yes, yes you did fail"... ending up with an AA. It's just weak storytelling in every sense and both Cena and the Rock bring their own writers only to come to this would be wildin' :lol:

The second they made the decision to make him heel, he should be lying down on his retirement match as a heel, or at least his career ends in a double turn somehow.
 
You can't have a redemption angle.... when you've done essentially next to nothing to redeem from. He's barely gone dark. Thus the issue with him just up and losing at Summerslam then "oh sorry guys I failed at ruined wrestling".... cut to the Rock or someone "yes, yes you did fail"... ending up with an AA. It's just weak storytelling in every sense and both Cena and the Rock bring their own writers only to come to this would be wildin' :lol:

The second they made the decision to make him heel, he should be lying down on his retirement match as a heel, or at least his career ends in a double turn somehow.
There is next to no chance he retires as a heel. They've already been dropping hints with him hesitating at Night of Champions to nail Punk with the title and "listening" to the crowd.

However they do it, Cena will turn face before he retires.
 
can imagine the face turn, him and Cody overcoming the odds to get revenge on Travis Scott :lol:

Does feel like the Cody turn is coming so could imagine we get the double switch
 
Look, I get it, that's probably true. But the whole thing has generally been a bit shit, a heel that's active merch merchant still - you'd think it was a slow burn to something but maybe I'm just giving them too much credit, which in itself isn't much. But there's just no business or wrestling benefit from him turning face before doing in his final match, if at all.

If the ending of that final match is obvious, the springboard it can be used to elevate someone else, even if Cody to even higher levels - then the true benefit of this run is gone. Obviously he's losing his final match, he was only winning it if it was for 17... he's only winning by Khan/HHH seriously twisting his mind on it, Cena knows the score, you retire on your back. (outside of special oddity returns, so Austin beating Owens doesn't count).
 
Look, I get it, that's probably true. But the whole thing has generally been a bit shit, a heel that's active merch merchant still - you'd think it was a slow burn to something but maybe I'm just giving them too much credit, which in itself isn't much. But there's just no business or wrestling benefit from him turning face before doing in his final match, if at all.

If the ending of that final match is obvious, the springboard it can be used to elevate someone else, even if Cody to even higher levels - then the true benefit of this run is gone. Obviously he's losing his final match, he was only winning it if it was for 17... he's only winning by Khan/HHH seriously twisting his mind on it, Cena knows the score, you retire on your back. (outside of special oddity returns, so Austin beating Owens doesn't count).
Most legends don't really put over new talent in their final match. It is usually someone already a big name to push them even higher into the stratosphere. HBK with Taker. Taker with Brock (even though it wasn't a retirement match but the streak ending was essentially the real Taker retiring), Brock with Roman/Cody, Austin with Rock etc.

So Cody would be the ideal person to do it in his final match but that would only make sense if there is a double turn at the end. Might be left field but I could actually see it being Seth. Seth already being the champion and Cena trying as a face to beat him but failing. They are trying to set up Seth as the big baddie so could see him beating Cody and a face Cena enroute to WM where he faces Roman.

I agree with you by the way regarding Cena's heel run being underwhelming. They left themselves too little time for it to be really impactful, especially as I say, I can't see him retiring a heel so he also has to turn face all in the space of essentially 9 months.