Sacchi was there for 4 years, during which Milan won 2 CLs and 1 league... Capello took that side afterward and they added more major trophies. In a 7-year period they won 3 CLs and 4 league titles.. Klopp's Pool is nowhere near that.
The relative strength of the Premier League
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) discuss United's progression to the FA Cup Semi Final after a crazy win over Fulham at Old Trafford. They also talk about the latest on the sale of the club and whether they would prefer to be owned by Jim Ratcliffe or Sheikh Jassim. But before all that they are joined by special guest Natalie to discuss Man Utd Women - who are currently riding high at the top of the WSL. Can they actually win the league?
He won 1 more European cup, and he was there only 4 seasons.
Well, if you can import foreign players who are cheaper, kinda obvious that the number of english players being a starter will drop, especially in top teams.
English players are more expensive as they don't need to leave the country.
Because he was sacked. And so what? We're talking single season brilliance, over multiple seasons, not just trophies over time
Trophies matters, if they didn't matter your beloved club wouldn't be sacking managers as soon as they don't challenge for the league or CL.
In the books, Klopp only won 1 league and 1 CL in 8 years at Liverpool.
That is true but I imagine we also spend the most on our training as well.
Of course trophies matter. But to reduce the historical impact and significance of a team to just trophies is just plain wrong. The dutch team of the 70s won nothing, it's still widely regarded as one of the greatest sides of all time and remembered more than the germany or argentina teams that beat them
Liverpool didn't win a lot because they were up against another historically great side in the league. In CL, well, they run into a team of destiny. I mean, they were on the wrong end of one of the greatest individual performances in CL history ffs
Bonus: their cycle got sidetracked by covid as well
And CL back in the day was only accessible by winning the league/the CL itself the season before. There was no margin of error for not winning. Klopp wouldn't have CL finals if being put under that such condition.
English players just aren’t worth the money.
Kalvin Phillips £42 mil
Stones £47.5 mil
Sterling £50 mil
Wan-Bissaka £50 mil
Ben White £50 mil
Ben Chilwell £50 mil
Kyle Walker £53 mil
Jaden Sancho £73 mil
Harry Maguire £80 mil
Less than half of those could be considered successes but most of them were inflated market values for the average player at the time of them signing. In the future you imagine Bellingham will probably top that list when you could find an affordable player elsewhere.
It's interesting to do a comparison. I certainly think it was easier to win the UCL during that time compared to today due to lack of bigger teams, but qualifying for it was obviously much more difficult.
Not easy to compare titles back then to now given how different the format is.
I would say the CL is the hardest one to win and is worth at least a few leagues though. If they’re considered equal then Real Madrid at their peak were not a great team as they only won one league in 8 years. Same with AC Milan in the mid 2000s.
Liverpool were better than Wenger’s Arsenal teams for example in my opinion as they have the CL cherry on top.
seven years later
1979 FA Cup final had 4 English players in the Arsenal team and 3 in the United side.
What has changed is since the BosmanRuling, the formation of the Premier League and the game going "global", clubs are scouting the world for talented players and with the difference in money available, the top English clubs can now offer transfer fees and wages that even the second biggest German club can't refuse.
We also have the most money to invest into training British players.
But sadly many of the schools have had to sell off their playing fields so kids (especially at primary school) don't get to play competitive football at an early age
Yep, Northern Ireland, Ireland and Scotland have suffered the most. English footballers still present but there was a time when Scottish players were looked to in particular for flair that many English players hadn’t (John Robertson, Kenny Dalglish, Denis Law). Now they look abroad.
Yep, basically welsh, scottish, and
irish in players in PL were replaced with players from France, Brazil, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Africa, Portugal, Croatia, Scandinavia, etc
Check the FA Cup finals line-ups, until 1997, 99% of non-english players were from Scotland,Ireland, Wales, and Northern Ireland...past that year the numbers started to decrease as each year passes, to the point that nowadays you can barely find 2 scottish/irish/ welsh players in the 2 finalists teams, sometimes not even 1.
Scotland national team took the hit by a lot, as they look abysmal now compared to the 70s,80s, and 90s... haven't qualified to the WC since 1998.
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