The relative strength of the Premier League

Do people really think games like tonight with city coasting at home to wolves are somehow harder and takes more out of them than Real coasting to a 3-0 win at home to Cadiz?
Yep. City had to win no matter what, meanwhile Madrid could have sent in the U10s and lost 100-0 and it would have meant nothing. Of course it was harder for City
 
Don’t understand the obsession with the Premier League having to be the best league in the world. It’s the most entertaining, that doesn’t mean it’s got the best teams. The midtable sides are regularly embarrassed in Europe. Villa just got beat 4-2 to Olympiakos and they’re about to get top 4. It’s rare we get finalists in the Europa League, and there hasn’t been the dominance in the Champions League either.

Before this season, there was an English side in the Europa League final every other year for the past eight seasons. Two English winners, three runners up, and four clubs represented. Literally the same number of finalists as Spain in that time period. Three of the previous five CL winners were English, as well as four of the previous six runners up. Again, four clubs represented. There have been two Conference League winners. One of them is English.

This season has been one of the worst English showings in Europe for a long time, but let's not pretend that the Premier League sides haven't regularly been among the best in European competition in recent years.
 
Yep. City had to win no matter what, meanwhile Madrid could have sent in the U10s and lost 100-0 and it would have meant nothing. Of course it was harder for City

:lol: I'd watch that over the second leg of the semi.
 
Before this season, there was an English side in the Europa League final every other year for the past eight seasons. Two English winners, three runners up, and four clubs represented. Literally the same number of finalists as Spain in that time period. Three of the previous five CL winners were English, as well as four of the previous six runners up. Again, four clubs represented. There have been two Conference League winners. One of them is English.

This season has been one of the worst English showings in Europe for a long time, but let's not pretend that the Premier League sides haven't regularly been among the best in European competition in recent years.

And in that 8 seasons how many English sides have won the Europa League? Think it’s us in 2017 and Chelsea when they beat Arsenal. Its acted like the Premier League is so far ahead of every other league surely we would dominate Europe? That simply isn’t the case.
 
And in that 8 seasons how many English sides have won the Europa League? Think it’s us in 2017 and Chelsea when they beat Arsenal. Its acted like the Premier League is so far ahead of every other league surely we would dominate Europe? That simply isn’t the case.
The English teams are simply too exhausted as the incredibly competitive league robs them of all their strength.
 
Anyone using what Pep and Klopp say about busy schedule as an argument should be banned from the thread. Managers who hardly ever rotate their squads and play full strength teams even in pointless games shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to this topic:

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1806572/Live/England-FA-Cup-2023-2024-Manchester-City-Newcastle

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1802656/Live/England-FA-Cup-2023-2024-Luton-Manchester-City

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1785210/Live/England-League-Cup-2023-2024-Liverpool-West-Ham

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1790746/Live/England-League-Cup-2023-2024-Fulham-Liverpool
 
And in that 8 seasons how many English sides have won the Europa League? Think it’s us in 2017 and Chelsea when they beat Arsenal. Its acted like the Premier League is so far ahead of every other league surely we would dominate Europe? That simply isn’t the case.

You're shifting the goalposts now though. You said it was rare we had finalists in the Europa League, but we've had the joint highest number in recent seasons.

What's your criteria for "dominating" Europe? English sides have won three of the last five Champions Leagues, and two of those finals were contested solely by English clubs, and six of the last 10 finalists have been English. That's pretty dominant.

If the point you're making is that people are guilty of overstating the overall quality of the Premier League, then I agree, but you're talking out of your arse when you say English sides hadn't been (generally) the most impressive in Europe across the past 5-8 years to make that point.