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FFP and Youth Table April 2020

Damien

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Div 1

  1. Manchester United - 45/45
  2. Arsenal - 47/48
  3. Manchester City - 45/49
  4. Liverpool - 45/50
  5. Newcastle United - 49/50
  6. Sunderland - 51/51
  7. AFC Bournemouth - 51/52
  8. Aston Villa - 50/52
  9. Barnsley - 52/52
  10. Darlington 1883 - 52/52
  11. Everton - 51/52
  12. Fulham - 50/52
  13. Nottingham Forest - 52/52
  14. Southampton - 46/52
  15. Southend United - 52/52
  16. Plymouth - 32/52
  17. Middlesbrough - 51/53
  18. Cardiff City - 54/54
  19. Ipswich - 50/55
Div 2
  1. Tottenham Hotspur - 31/44
  2. West Ham - 49/50
  3. Blackburn Rovers - 51/54
  4. Chelsea - 53/54
  5. Milton Keynes Dons - 46/54
  6. Norwich City - 47/54
  7. Wolverhampton Wanderers - 54/54
  8. Derby County - 48/56
  9. Bristol City - 58/58
  10. Bury - 41/59
  11. Hereford FC - 58/59
  12. Mansfield Town - 44/59
Div 3
  1. QPR - 45/60
  2. Charlton - 51/60
Div 4
  1. Kidderminster - 54/64
Div 5
  1. Leyton Orient - 67/67
Apr'20 Youth Table

PositionTeamPointsNumber of Players
1​
Southend
69.5​
20​
2​
Man Utd
44​
14​
3​
Forest
30.8​
11​
4​
Fulham
30.1​
15​
5​
Barnsley
26.2​
12​
6​
Leyton Orient
26.1​
16​
7​
Sunderland
24.6​
11​
8​
Blackburn
24.6​
12​
9​
Hereford
21.9​
11​
10​
Everton
21.5​
8​
11​
Newcastle
21.1​
7​
12​
Wolves
20.3​
8​
13​
Chelsea
19.8​
9​
14​
Bristol City
19.1​
9​
15​
Cardiff
18.4​
7​
16​
Bury
15.7​
9​
17​
Kidderminster
15.2​
11​
18​
Charlton
14.7​
8​
19​
Man City
13​
5​
20​
Middlesbrough
12.8​
7​
21​
Arsenal
12.2​
6​
22​
Norwich City
11.9​
5​
23​
Liverpool
10.9​
6​
24​
Derby
10.3​
5​
25​
Aston Villa
8.7​
4​
26​
Darlington
8.5​
4​
27​
Southampton
8.3​
6​
28​
Bournemouth
8​
4​
29​
West Ham
7.9​
5​
30​
Spurs
7.8​
2​
31​
MKD
7.3​
5​
32​
Ipswich
6​
3​
33​
QPR
4.3​
2​
34​
Mansfield Town
3.3​
2​
35​
Plymouth
0​
0​

Formula
Age: 21yrs = 0pts; 20yrs = 0.3pts; 19yrs = 0.6pts ...
Rating: 82 = 1pts; 83 = 1.5pts; 84 = 2pts ...

And add them up
 

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2:1 home win against City to end the season. Will recall my players from managed clubs in the league that aren't in the play-offs. Good luck to those in the Champions Cup/Shield finals as well as the play-offs.

De Gea (93)

Stones (91) Ramos (95) Kimmich (94) Alaba (93)
Eriksen (94) Kroos (95)
Mbappe (94)➕ -- Pogba (93)⚽ -- Sterling (94)
Griezmann (95)⚽➕⭐

Subs: Gaya (91), Boateng (91), Dele (92), Goretzka (91), Kovacic (91), Brandt (91), Pulisic (90)
Did not travel: Sancho (91), Christensen (90), Retsos (87), Berge (87)

Key:
⚽ = Goal
➕ = Assist
⭐ = MOTM
= Subbed off
= Subbed on


Manchester United v Manchester City fixtures this season

GameUtd PossCity PossUtd Shots (SoT)City Shots (SoT)Utd GoalsCity GoalsUtd SoT Conv.City SoT Conv.
23rd Nov: Utd v City (N)​
58%
42%​
11 (5)
11 (3)​
3
0​
60%
0%​
26th Jan: City v Utd​
57%
43%​
13 (9)
9 (4)​
3
0​
33.3%
0%​
2nd Apr: Utd v City​
53%
47%​
14 (7)
11 (5)​
2
1
28.6%
20%​
Combined
56%
44%​
38 (21)
31 (12)​
8
1​
38.1%
8.3%
 

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Dropped 2 points. Should have had locked in 9th place.
Decent season considering.
If had won the dzeko bid probably a nicer finish next season.
8th place in the GD table. Just needed to be more clinical and the game stop robbing me of wins.
 

BenitoSTARR

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Dropped 2 points. Should have had locked in 9th place.
Decent season considering.
If had won the dzeko bid probably a nicer finish next season.
8th place in the GD table. Just needed to be more clinical and the game stop robbing me of wins.
Dzeko loves wales too much.

Recouped his transfer fee by finishing 10th too ;)
 

green_smiley

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Goal for next season:
  1. At least 15th place
  2. Quarter-final in either Cup or Shield competition
  3. Increase my team's value to 470m
  4. Win at least 1 game against Man Utd in any competition
  1. 17th place (barely survived)
  2. Lost to Sunderland in Cup Round 4; lost to Man Utd in Shield Round 3
  3. Currently stand at 471.5m
  4. P3 W0 D1 L2
Goal for next season:
  1. Avoid relegation
  2. Quarter-final in either Cup or Shield competition
  3. Increase my team's value to 490m
  4. Win at least 1 game against Man Utd in any competition
 

green_smiley

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Prize money distribution. Thanks to fill in those missing info

Div 1
1. 29.1m
2. 27.6m
3. 26m
4. 24.5m
5. 23m
6. 21.5m
7. 19.9m
8. 18.4m
9. 16.8m
10. 15.3m
11. 13.8m
12. 12.2m
13. 10.7m
14. 9.5m
15. 7.6m
16. 6.1m
17. 4.6m
18. 3m
19. 1.5m
20. 1.5m


Div 2
1. 15.8m
2. 15m
3. 15m
4. 13.3m
5. 12.5m
6. 11.6m
7. 11m
8. 10m
9. 10m
10. 8.3m
11. 7.5m
12. 6.6m
13. 5.8m
14.
15.

16.
17.
18.
19. <1m

20. 834k

Div 3
1. 9.9m
2. 9.4m
3.
4.


Div 5
1. 4.2m
2. 4m
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. 2.2m
 
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Targets for next season (changing tactics entirely so likely to be a shitshow):
  1. Avoid relegation
  2. Last 32 in either Cup or Shield
  3. Win a trophy
  4. Get six points against Leeds United
  1. Won the title
  2. Last 32 of Cup, Last 4 in Shield
  3. Won SMFA Super Cup and Manchester United's fifth league title
  4. Yes
Targets for next season:
  1. Finish in Top 4
  2. Last 16 in either Cup or Shield
  3. Win a trophy
  4. Get at least four points against Hereford FC
 
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DRAFT (READING)

# of players available: 12 (due to minimum squad size of 21, loans not included)

Rules
  1. Refer to "Draft Order"
  2. 12 hours per pick, starts now. Miss out means you relinquish your pick
  3. Declare your pick, then bid (doesn't have to wait until draft is finished)
  4. Inform the next person in draft order
  5. Cash only. No P/E
    • Squad value <100m: 1.1x FV
    • Squad value 100m-200m: 1.3x FV
    • Squad value 200m-400m: 1.5x FV
    • Squad value >400m: 2x FV
  6. You can skip if you want to, and/or if you are unable to bid (skipping in advance is encouraged)
  7. Must comply with FFP
  8. NEW: Bid must be made within two weeks of your pick otherwise you forfeit the player
  9. After draft is completed, Damien will check if rules are followed before accepting those bids
  10. After all bids have gone through, Damien will withdraw from Reading
Draft Order
Plymouth Argyle - £6.8M :lol:
Preston North End - £42.8M
Kidderminster Harriers - £106.7M
Charlton Athletic - £128.3M
Leyton Orient - £154M
Mansfield Town - £178.4M
Queens Park Rangers - £195.8M
Bury - £196M
Ipswich Town - £226.9M
West Ham United - £248.8M
MK Dons - £249.1M
Derby County - £254.7M
Blackburn Rovers - £263.9M
Bristol City - £268.8M
Tottenham - £269.4M
Hereford - £283.5M
Southampton - £285.7M
Barnsley - £286.7M
Cardiff City - £307.1M
Norwich City - £323.5M
Bournemouth - £329.8M
Chelsea - £341.2M
Fulham - £344.5M
Newcastle Utd - £345.6M
Middlesbrough - £347.9M
Darlington - £373.7M
Liverpool - £383.7M
Aston Villa - £404.9M
Manchester City - £415.7M
Sunderland - £422.9M
Wolves - £423.7M
Southend Utd - £472M
Arsenal - £517.2M
Nottingham Forest - £539.1M
Everton - £626.3M
Manchester Utd - £724.7M

@Moby you're up first.

Amazingly, after the deals @Mciahel Goodman has done, his value has hardly changed.
 
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I'm gonna jump in on this. Can I just take any club without a manager?
Yep. Just let me know which you decide. You'll get a place in the Reading draft as well (you pick a player and pay the cash as mentioned in the bold bit above - FV = Face Value (cash value listed)).

Reading has good players but you don't want to manage them as they're £45M in debt so can't make signings without hindering the squad.

Good time to join as the most recent season has just finished.
 

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Yep. Just let me know which you decide. You'll get a place in the Reading draft as well (you pick a player and pay the cash as mentioned in the bold bit above - FV = Face Value (cash value listed)).

Reading has good players but you don't want to manage them as they're £45M in debt so can't make signings without hindering the squad.

Good time to join as the most recent season has just finished.
I've taken Preston
 

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Poor Hereford.
  1. Won the title
  2. Last 32 of Cup, Last 4 in Shield
  3. Won SMFA Super Cup and Manchester United's fifth league title
  4. Yes
Targets for next season:
  1. Finish in Top 4
  2. Last 16 in either Cup or Shield
  3. Win a trophy
  4. Get a bank balance of at least £720M (currently £701M)
  5. Get at least four points against Hereford FC
 

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Poor Hereford.
I fully expect Phil to do well against me this season. He's got a good squad. Four is perhaps being a bit optimistic but the title win has given me so much confidence.
 

harshad

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  1. Won the title
  2. Last 32 of Cup, Last 4 in Shield
  3. Won SMFA Super Cup and Manchester United's fifth league title
  4. Yes
Targets for next season:
  1. Finish in Top 4
  2. Last 16 in either Cup or Shield
  3. Win a trophy
  4. Get a bank balance of at least £720M (currently £701M)
  5. Get at least four points against Hereford FC
Do you make a profit every week?
 

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Even with my wages I get so much prize money from winning trophies that my finances keep building and got nothing to spend it on as nobody will accept part exchanges from me anymore.


Been trying to exchange a 94, 92 and a 91 for a 92 rated player younger than 25 and nobody will accept
 

harshad

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Even with my wages I get so much prize money from winning trophies that my finances keep building and got nothing to spend it on as nobody will accept part exchanges from me anymore.


Been trying to exchange a 94, 92 and a 91 for a 92 rated player younger than 25 and nobody will accept
Must be quite a headache to manage that squad and ensure that every one gets enough games to not develop concerns
 

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Must be quite a headache to manage that squad and ensure that every one gets enough games to not develop concerns
Has been okay but next season I've got an influx of three more players than normal (Pulisic, Zakaria, Elvedi that I've listed there). I like to use a spreadsheet to keep on top of things, but I remember from a discussion I had with greeny a while back that I might be too stringent on playing time so having players 10%ish below their target rather than over could be okay.

Diogo Leite to Valencia. Congrats @Damien
If true hopefully he gets good playing time. Valencia fans have been talking about bringing in two experienced defenders so doesn't sound good for his chances. Pepe really likes him (I assume from the emoji in the YT video title). Really is criminal how the Porto manager ostracised him as, the few times he played, the Porto fans liked him.

If Malang Sarr gets a move (and plays at CB instead of LB) as well as Konate staying fit, I might have a chance of some good young CBs.
 

harshad

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Has been okay but next season I've got an influx of three more players than normal (Pulisic, Zakaria, Elvedi that I've listed there). I like to use a spreadsheet to keep on top of things, but I remember from a discussion I had with greeny a while back that I might be too stringent on playing time so having players 10%ish below their target rather than over could be okay.
Yeah I know about your use of spreadsheet, you've mentioned it before. Incidentally, I tried to make a spreadsheet to tract the games that each player was getting, just couldnt be arsed after 10 odd games :lol:
 

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How does ratings increase work for young players?
There's a schedule that leagues are reviewed in. greeny has been keeping track for a few years. The big five (Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, Premier League) are reviewed twice a season - around December and May - while the other leagues are mostly reviewed once. Real life times have different rating 'caps' - which is a rating you won't really see players exceed. For the Championship, the cap is approx 85, for Ligue 1 teams in the bottom half it is around 83-84 while for the other big five leagues you tend to see ratings higher.

If you go to SoccerWiki (SM's player database) and search various teams, you get an idea of what the rating cap for that team is by the highest rated players. There isn't anything firmly in writing for what the rating caps are, but we know they exist and guess what they are.

Young players will increase in rating based on their performances in real life along with that schedule. If the player only plays in the reserve leagues, their rating will stay the same, but if they feature in the UEFA Youth League they do increase slightly but will typically not exceed 80. If they play in their professional league, and often, then their rating will increase above that to a point depending on the quality of the league.

I'll use my player Dario Maresic as an example. He played quite often for Sturm Graz but hit their relative cap of 83 so I wanted him to move to a better league and club with a higher cap. He moved to Stade Reims (which sucks for me as their rating cap is about the same as Sturm) and has barely played since.

@green_smiley is the best for finding young players who explode. He has:
  • Matthis de Ligt - went from 73 to 92 since he bought him for £473k in 2016, now worth £40M
  • Gianluigi Donnarumma - went from 75 to 91 since he bought him for £330k in 2015, now worth £28M
  • Kai Havertz - went from 70 to 91 since he bought him for £380k in 2016, now worth £32M
  • Dayot Upamecano - went from 78 to 90 since he bought him for £4.7M in 2016, now worth £28M
  • Joe Gomez - went from 78 to 90 since he bought him for £1.6M in 2015, now worth £24M
  • Andrew Robertson (not so young) - went from 85 to 93 since he bought him for £5.5M in 2017, now worth £36M
and much more. Even managed to sign Alphonso Davies for a relative steal.
 

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Ahh ok so it is all based off of real life performances? So there is no point playing them in game to develop ala FM?
Nope. They do have a single player version, which is the FM kinda style (or was when it launched a few years back) but I found it pretty lacklustre.
 

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DRAFT (READING)

# of players available: 12 (due to minimum squad size of 21, loans not included)

Rules
  1. Refer to "Draft Order"
  2. 12 hours per pick, starts now. Miss out means you relinquish your pick
  3. Declare your pick, then bid (doesn't have to wait until draft is finished)
  4. Inform the next person in draft order
  5. Cash only. No P/E
    • Squad value <100m: 1.1x FV
    • Squad value 100m-200m: 1.3x FV
    • Squad value 200m-400m: 1.5x FV
    • Squad value >400m: 2x FV
  6. You can skip if you want to, and/or if you are unable to bid (skipping in advance is encouraged)
  7. Must comply with FFP
  8. NEW: Bid must be made within two weeks of your pick otherwise you forfeit the player
  9. After draft is completed, Damien will check if rules are followed before accepting those bids
  10. After all bids have gone through, Damien will withdraw from Reading
Draft Order
Plymouth Argyle - Maxi Gomez (£17.6M)
Preston North End - £42.8M
Kidderminster Harriers - £106.7M
Charlton Athletic - £128.3M
Leyton Orient - £154M
Mansfield Town - £178.4M
Queens Park Rangers - £195.8M
Bury - £196M
Ipswich Town - £226.9M
West Ham United - £248.8M
MK Dons - £249.1M
Derby County - £254.7M
Blackburn Rovers - £263.9M
Bristol City - £268.8M
Tottenham - £269.4M
Hereford - £283.5M
Southampton - £285.7M
Barnsley - £286.7M
Cardiff City - £307.1M
Norwich City - £323.5M
Bournemouth - £329.8M
Chelsea - £341.2M
Fulham - £344.5M
Newcastle Utd - £345.6M
Middlesbrough - £347.9M
Darlington - £373.7M
Liverpool - £383.7M
Aston Villa - £404.9M
Manchester City - £415.7M
Sunderland - £422.9M
Wolves - £423.7M
Southend Utd - £472M
Arsenal - £517.2M
Nottingham Forest - £539.1M
Everton - £626.3M
Manchester Utd - £724.7M

@limerickcitykid's turn. Look at the Reading squad, choose a player you want and can afford and name them. You can then bid 1.1x their value to sign them.