The Transition From Disney Land

[EtH]

This is the most concerning and troublesome issue we face. Mostly thanks to Woodward we have players on ridiculous wages, some useful and some completely useless. This will need to be brought back in line if the next manager is to have success. Otherwise we are just a cush landing spot for players who are looking for a vacation or retirement home.

This will take time however. Players will need to be sold and replacements brought in obviously. But I imagine the new manager will have to make examples of one or two players at least to prove they need to be moved on. It will be a process.

But I am cautiously optimistic that we will make the transition in time if Ten Hag is indeed the man appointed. Murtough and Rangnick should provide the backing he needs and much more savvy in the market than Ed ever did. It will require some patience from the fans though. Focusing on every single decision will be pointless, especially early on.

 

[diarm]

Significant wage issues:

De Gea - £375k - Decent shot stopper but poor value at that wage. Won't suit the new managers tactics and we should consider any bids that came in. He only has one more year on that deal and we should not be thinking about renewing it

Varane - £340k - Top class defender when fit. Worth keeping. 4 years left on his deal.

Maguire - £160k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 4 years left on his deal.

Wan-Bissaka - £90k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 3 years left on his deal.

Matic - £120k - Was good value a coule of years ago but has fallen as his influence and consistency in the team has dropped. We should be looking to clear this from the wage bill. 1 year left on his contract.

Fred - £120k - Only 1 year left on his deal. Will be one of the first jobs for Ten Hag to decide if he wants to offer a new contract or whether to cash in this summer.

Pogba - £290k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Mata - £160k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Lingard - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Van de Beek - £120k - Poor value thus far. Hopefully the arrival of Ten Hag can kickstart his United career. 4 years left on his deal.

Greenwood - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Sancho - £350k - Expensive, but a quality young player who will hopefully flourish under Ten Hag.

Rashford - £200k - Appalling value on recent form. Needs a transformation next season or we should be looking to cash in in January. 2 years left on his deal.

Martial - £250k - Even worse value. Impossible to shift unless we release him on a free and heavily subsidise his wages at the new club. 3 years left on his deal.

Ronaldo - £480k - Expensive, but expected for a player of his profile. 1 year left which he will likely see out unless he demands to leave for CL football in the summer.

Cavani - £250k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

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A solid chunk of the major issues are going to sort themselves out this summer and a few more next. The only real long term problem in terms of a DisneyLand wage that I don't see us being able to shift is Martial.

 

[DevilRed]

Getting rid of woodward is a good start to a new era.

 

[tenpoless]

Isnt Disney land Woodward's ambition anyway? nobody asked for his watch this space strategy.

 

[EtH]

Isnt Disney land Woodward's ambition anyway? nobody asked for his watch this space strategy.

Yes. So the hope is that his resignation will signal a new era. Along with the ingenuity of ETH and the new club structure and focus on scouting.

 

[reddevilchennai]

Significant wage issues:

De Gea - £375k - Decent shot stopper but poor value at that wage. Won't suit the new managers tactics and we should consider any bids that came in. He only has one more year on that deal and we should not be thinking about renewing it

Varane - £340k - Top class defender when fit. Worth keeping. 4 years left on his deal.

Maguire - £160k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 4 years left on his deal.

Wan-Bissaka - £90k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 3 years left on his deal.

Matic - £120k - Was good value a coule of years ago but has fallen as his influence and consistency in the team has dropped. We should be looking to clear this from the wage bill. 1 year left on his contract.

Fred - £120k - Only 1 year left on his deal. Will be one of the first jobs for Ten Hag to decide if he wants to offer a new contract or whether to cash in this summer.

Pogba - £290k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Mata - £160k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Lingard - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Van de Beek - £120k - Poor value thus far. Hopefully the arrival of Ten Hag can kickstart his United career. 4 years left on his deal.

Greenwood - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Sancho - £350k - Expensive, but a quality young player who will hopefully flourish under Ten Hag.

Rashford - £200k - Appalling value on recent form. Needs a transformation next season or we should be looking to cash in in January. 2 years left on his deal.

Martial - £250k - Even worse value. Impossible to shift unless we release him on a free and heavily subsidise his wages at the new club. 3 years left on his deal.

Ronaldo - £480k - Expensive, but expected for a player of his profile. 1 year left which he will likely see out unless he demands to leave for CL football in the summer.

Cavani - £250k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

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A solid chunk of the major issues are going to sort themselves out this summer and a few more next. The only real long term problem in terms of a DisneyLand wage that I don't see us being able to shift is Martial.

Are you sure that Sancho is being paid that kind of money?

 

[diarm]

Are you sure that Sancho is being paid that kind of money?

I got the wages off that Sportrac site that usually seem to have them somewhat accurate. I'd never say I was sure about any of them though with all the nonsense that gets flung about.

 

[EtH]

I got the wages off that Sportrac site that usually seem to have them somewhat accurate. I'd never say I was sure about any of them though with all the nonsense that gets flung about.

Hard to believe Lingard is only on £75k as well.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Most of the wages are inaccurate, apart from few which were reported by credible sources, like DDG's wages being 375K a week or Pogba being on 290k a week, as for the likes of Varane and Sancho for example, no credible source reporting anything and the ones that reported the wages did so with different numbers, for example, Sancho there are reports saying 375K and 175K.

 

[horsechoker]

Now we're Alton Towers

 

[I’m loving my life]

Now we're Alton Towers

With the rides all broken and falling to pieces, flies crawling over all the rotting junk food, discarded everywhere and Woodward walking out of the smoking debris with his bag of cash.

 

[Elcabron]

Significant wage issues:

De Gea - £375k - Decent shot stopper but poor value at that wage. Won't suit the new managers tactics and we should consider any bids that came in. He only has one more year on that deal and we should not be thinking about renewing it

Varane - £340k - Top class defender when fit. Worth keeping. 4 years left on his deal.

Maguire - £160k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 4 years left on his deal.

Wan-Bissaka - £90k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 3 years left on his deal.

Matic - £120k - Was good value a coule of years ago but has fallen as his influence and consistency in the team has dropped. We should be looking to clear this from the wage bill. 1 year left on his contract.

Fred - £120k - Only 1 year left on his deal. Will be one of the first jobs for Ten Hag to decide if he wants to offer a new contract or whether to cash in this summer.

Pogba - £290k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Mata - £160k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Lingard - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Van de Beek - £120k - Poor value thus far. Hopefully the arrival of Ten Hag can kickstart his United career. 4 years left on his deal.

Greenwood - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Sancho - £350k - Expensive, but a quality young player who will hopefully flourish under Ten Hag.

Rashford - £200k - Appalling value on recent form. Needs a transformation next season or we should be looking to cash in in January. 2 years left on his deal.

Martial - £250k - Even worse value. Impossible to shift unless we release him on a free and heavily subsidise his wages at the new club. 3 years left on his deal.

Ronaldo - £480k - Expensive, but expected for a player of his profile. 1 year left which he will likely see out unless he demands to leave for CL football in the summer.

Cavani - £250k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

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A solid chunk of the major issues are going to sort themselves out this summer and a few more next. The only real long term problem in terms of a DisneyLand wage that I don't see us being able to shift is Martial.

Jones and Henderson should be included there as well.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Now we're Alton Towers

I came in to say Thorpe Park

 

[Andy_Cole]

Now we're Alton Towers

I came in to say Thorpe Park

Blackpool Pleasure Beach

 

[horsechoker]

Blackpool Pleasure Beach

Not much pleasure to be had these days

 

[Rooney24]

Christ almighty, Ive just learned from this thread we signed Maguire on a six year contract. It gets worse !

 

[Gopher Brown]

We never actually got to go to Disneyland though. We were promised Disneyland and ended up at thumbing through a Disneyland resort brochure.

 

[RoyH1]

We pay Champions League finalist type of wages to players with Conference League mentality. Mental

 

[Ayoba]

Christ those wages! 200k for Rashford, 250 for Martial...we deserve to be in the position we are!

 

[JJ12]

Woodward out and Murtough/Rangnick making footballing decisions is a massive step in the right direction.

Add Phil Jone to the list.

Getting rid of Martial will be a nightmare after his failed season here and loan at Sevilla.

 

[Laurencio]

We pay Champions League finalist type of wages to players with Conference League mentality. Mental

Gotta protect them assets you know

 

[wolvored]

Qe should start by banding all the salarys with a top salary of 300k a week. Get back in line with other clubs. Incentives like goals scored clean sheets wins etc could be added as a top up. This would apply to all new players bought and a phasing out of the old. In 5 years max this could be done.

 

[georgipep]

Greenwood - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Why is that?

 

[JPRouve]

Why would you find yourself in a situation where you overpay?

1- You didn't evaluate the player properly. That applies to Maguire or Pogba, the latter was on the rise and highly rated but not a good fit for United.
2- You have nothing tangible to offer outside of money and money is your competitive advantage. This applies to Sancho this summer, De Gea with his extension or Pogba in 2016.
3- Timing, this applies to for example Martial and Rashford who got their extensions after excellent seasons. This one happens and is forgivable.
4- And one that is probably overlooked, if you give too much influence to your manager whoever he picks as his first choice will have a negotiation advantage, that's one of the reasons why it's not a good idea to follow the logic that if the manager watns X then you do everything to get X because X and his agent will use it against you.

 

[GBBQ]

We just have the worst negotiators. Basically we roll over and accept any demands for a player we want to sign and this is what we end up with.

 

[Adam-Utd]

It's strange isn't it. We seem to give out huge wages BECAUSE they play for United, but not that they actually deserve a figure that high.

Their desire and form eventually drop and we get stuck with a dud on insane money that nobody else will match.

We definitely need to stop over paying, or at least make their money more performance based.

 

[Laurencio]

Qe should start by banding all the salarys with a top salary of 300k a week. Get back in line with other clubs. Incentives like goals scored clean sheets wins etc could be added as a top up. This would apply to all new players bought and a phasing out of the old. In 5 years max this could be done.

It's like we looked at the nonsense from the Sanchez situation and thought to ourselves; "alright, now he's out the door, how do we make this problem even bigger next time?"

We just have the worst negotiators. Basically we roll over and accept any demands for a player we want to sign and this is what we end up with.

We're basically scared to death that City will come in and take our players and assert themselves as a bigger footballing powerhouse than us. This is why we signed Sanchez, it is why we signed Fred, and it's why we signed Ronaldo. By giving players unnaturally large wages we keep the competition at bay - at least that seems to be the thinking behind it all.

 

[JPRouve]

It's strange isn't it. We seem to give out huge wages BECAUSE they play for United, but not that they actually deserve a figure that high.

Their desire and form eventually drop and we get stuck with a dud on insane money that nobody else will match.

We definitely need to stop over paying, or at least make their money more performance based.

It's not that strange. We try to sign players that are courted by regular CL teams while not offering the same on field or coaching perks. What would be strange is if players didn't ask for more money from United.

 

[Adam-Utd]

It's not that strange. We try to sign players that are courted by regular CL teams while not offering the same on field or coaching perks. What would be strange is if players didn't ask for more money from United.

It is very strange to give the likes of Martial 250k a week, AWB 90k, Maguire 160k. Look at comparative wages across Europe or even the PL itself, we are massively over paying. We pay Martial more than Kane or Salah ffs.

Anyway, hopefully this summer we can start chopping a big chunk of that down and by the next 2 seasons the likes of DDG and Ronaldo will be gone too.

We can have a big reset and start to get our structure a bit more in line.

 

[Lemon Moon]

This will all surely change when the new manager comes in and has his way (if everything I'm reading is true)
Many will leave on a free, some who don't will likely be sold & replaced.
He has his model for recruitment & if our board runs with it, slowly but surely we'll exit Disney Land.

 

[golden_blunder]

Most of the wages are inaccurate, apart from few which were reported by credible sources, like DDG's wages being 375K a week or Pogba being on 290k a week, as for the likes of Varane and Sancho for example, no credible source reporting anything and the ones that reported the wages did so with different numbers, for example, Sancho there are reports saying 375K and 175K.

I refuse to believe Sancho is getting not far off Ronaldo’s wage. He hasn’t achieved anything in his young career, so I’m calling bs

 

[Gazautd18]

Why is that?

Honest question, and maybe EtH specialists would know.
Is Greenwood the type of character that EtH would look to keep?

 

[Andy_Cole]

Honest question, and maybe EtH specialists would know.
Is Greenwood the type of character that EtH would look to keep?

Greenwood still has a career?

 

[Lentwood]

Significant wage issues:

De Gea - £375k - Decent shot stopper but poor value at that wage. Won't suit the new managers tactics and we should consider any bids that came in. He only has one more year on that deal and we should not be thinking about renewing it

Varane - £340k - Top class defender when fit. Worth keeping. 4 years left on his deal.

Maguire - £160k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 4 years left on his deal.

Wan-Bissaka - £90k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 3 years left on his deal.

Matic - £120k - Was good value a coule of years ago but has fallen as his influence and consistency in the team has dropped. We should be looking to clear this from the wage bill. 1 year left on his contract.

Fred - £120k - Only 1 year left on his deal. Will be one of the first jobs for Ten Hag to decide if he wants to offer a new contract or whether to cash in this summer.

Pogba - £290k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Mata - £160k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Lingard - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Van de Beek - £120k - Poor value thus far. Hopefully the arrival of Ten Hag can kickstart his United career. 4 years left on his deal.

Greenwood - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Sancho - £350k - Expensive, but a quality young player who will hopefully flourish under Ten Hag.

Rashford - £200k - Appalling value on recent form. Needs a transformation next season or we should be looking to cash in in January. 2 years left on his deal.

Martial - £250k - Even worse value. Impossible to shift unless we release him on a free and heavily subsidise his wages at the new club. 3 years left on his deal.

Ronaldo - £480k - Expensive, but expected for a player of his profile. 1 year left which he will likely see out unless he demands to leave for CL football in the summer.

Cavani - £250k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

~

A solid chunk of the major issues are going to sort themselves out this summer and a few more next. The only real long term problem in terms of a DisneyLand wage that I don't see us being able to shift is Martial.

Magurie is fine, as is AWB. Lingard is fine. DvdB is possibly just about OK, to the point were it won't be prohibitive.

The rest are absolute insanity and it boggles my mind that someone, somewhere thought it was OK and they didn't immediately lose their job.

 

[georgipep]

Greenwood still has a career?

Maybe not but unless he is convicted, I doubt the club can terminate his contract.

Honest question, and maybe EtH specialists would know.
Is Greenwood the type of character that EtH would look to keep?

As a player, surely. As a person, doubt it.

 

[JPRouve]

It is very strange to give the likes of Martial 250k a week, AWB 90k, Maguire 160k. Look at comparative wages across Europe or even the PL itself, we are massively over paying. We pay Martial more than Kane or Salah ffs.

Anyway, hopefully this summer we can start chopping a big chunk of that down and by the next 2 seasons the likes of DDG and Ronaldo will be gone too.

We can have a big reset and start to get our structure a bit more in line.

Not exactly. Martial is overpaid but it's not strange, it comes from poor timing, he had his extension after an excellent season full of promises and actual performances. AWB at 90k doesn't have a particularly high wage, keep in mind that the average wage in the PL is 60k which implies that a fair amount of average players have similar wages to AWB for the simple reason that many lower table players, below average players earn far less than that and you also have a plethora of players that are in PL squads with u23 contracts, at United an example would be Mejbri or Shoretire. And Maguire was signed in 2019 after a "successful" WC and an awful lot of hype, he was allegedly wanted by City which means that we were never going to get him for cheap or fair value.

Kane and Salah are notiriously underpaid. In the case of Kane it could be explained by two things, he extended his contract when Spurs seemed to be on the up and he is an homegrown player that maybe let emotions lead his business decision. Salah was initially signed as a good not great player that previously struggled, so his initial contract was likely not particular high but he found himself in a great situation with a team on the up and a great manager.

In the end, it really isn't strange. You can convince players to take cheaper wages if you have good timing and have something to offer in exchange which is generally success. And before someone suggest something else, we definitely overpay and our squad is a mess but there is a multitude of obvious reasons for that, that goes beyond "we don't have good negotiatiors".

 

[Lynty]

I don't really care in all honesty.

Despite some absurd and unjustified wages, it's never prevented us from purchasing players every window. Even if a reduced wage structure would allow us to move on players like Martial, Lingard, AWB more easily - we wouldn't see an increase in our 3-4 players (£150m'ish) per season. That seems like our transfer policy, any surplus is soaked up in profits/dividends.

Whats more concerning is that despite our consistent and healthy transfer budget per season, we are unable to identify the correct players.

I mean our wages are similar to Chelsea per year, City are obviously cheating with under the table deals, Liverpool have a a healthy wage structure - fair play to them, who cares.

 

[sun_tzu]

Significant wage issues:

De Gea - £375k - Decent shot stopper but poor value at that wage. Won't suit the new managers tactics and we should consider any bids that came in. He only has one more year on that deal and we should not be thinking about renewing it

Varane - £340k - Top class defender when fit. Worth keeping. 4 years left on his deal.

Maguire - £160k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 4 years left on his deal.

Wan-Bissaka - £90k - Poor value and a wage we should be looking to clear if at all possible. 3 years left on his deal.

Matic - £120k - Was good value a coule of years ago but has fallen as his influence and consistency in the team has dropped. We should be looking to clear this from the wage bill. 1 year left on his contract.

Fred - £120k - Only 1 year left on his deal. Will be one of the first jobs for Ten Hag to decide if he wants to offer a new contract or whether to cash in this summer.

Pogba - £290k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Mata - £160k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Lingard - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Van de Beek - £120k - Poor value thus far. Hopefully the arrival of Ten Hag can kickstart his United career. 4 years left on his deal.

Greenwood - £75k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

Sancho - £350k - Expensive, but a quality young player who will hopefully flourish under Ten Hag.

Rashford - £200k - Appalling value on recent form. Needs a transformation next season or we should be looking to cash in in January. 2 years left on his deal.

Martial - £250k - Even worse value. Impossible to shift unless we release him on a free and heavily subsidise his wages at the new club. 3 years left on his deal.

Ronaldo - £480k - Expensive, but expected for a player of his profile. 1 year left which he will likely see out unless he demands to leave for CL football in the summer.

Cavani - £250k - Wage to be freed up this summer.

~

A solid chunk of the major issues are going to sort themselves out this summer and a few more next. The only real long term problem in terms of a DisneyLand wage that I don't see us being able to shift is Martial.

Not been charged yet - and even if charged would that be enough to terminate a contract (innocent till proven guilty etc and a trial will certainly not happen before the summer)

as for the others thats around £775k of wages freed up this summer and around a million next summer (De Gea, Ronaldo and Matic)

If we can manage to offload martial and a couple of centrebacks (jones and bailly for example) and a couple of fringe players thats perhaps another 500k

That's something like £2.275 Million a week or circa 118M a year...

Thats more than Evertons entire wage bill

https://www.totalsportal.com/money/premier-league-wage-bill/

Its mind boggling the money we have coming free and provided the owners are going to make transfer funds available (far from certain if we have no CL football) its a pretty ideal position for somebody to be looking at a 2 to 3 year rebuild of the club - especially with so many young talents potentially breaking into the squad as well over that timeframe.

Its a pretty exciting prospect but probably a bumpy three years to get there - hopefully we stick with a new manager / philosophy long enough to see it play out properly ... rather than splaffing a ton of money on Bale or somebody similar because they are available on a free and we have a lot of headroom on the wages

 

[Lynty]

Not been charged yet - and even if charged would that be enough to terminate a contract (innocent till proven guilty etc and a trial will certainly not happen before the summer)

Guitly or not. That wage will be freed up and he'll be playing football elsewhere.

Court of popular opinion has already charged him. We are literally Disney Land, public opinion is as precious to the club as money.

 

[Abraxas]

It's a problem, but I do think the wages issue has started to take on a life of its own. It seems to be the source of every cultural evil at the moment.

The reality is all top clubs pay massive wages. City pay massive wages. At a certain level there is barely a distinction when we're talking about the sums involved. You pretty much have to pay a lot to get top talents.

The difference is they have a structured approach to identifying talent, they have winners that set the right example, they have a manager that inspires, motivates, cajoles these ridiculously paid stars.

So it's not so much about ruling out certain levels of wages, for me. Its just one tool in the armoury that makes sure you're getting players for the right reasons. But good scouting does that too. Coherent strategy does that, and then a top manager utilises the resources available. We have to be at least somewhat flexible with wages. There might need to be an adjustment period where we are less prone to handing out mega bucks, but at times it is justifiable if you're a top club.

Our biggest problem is signing unsuitable players. If they were on 50k they'd still be a useless bunch in my opinion, they simply aren't made of the correct stuff so then the complaints come, but the real problem is our footballing strategy.