The Trump Presidency : Part 2

He encouraged people to enter the capitol and kill security/police on the way and nothing happened. That’s the problem - when such people get the feeling they won’t get charged and be made responsible it can get ugly soon. Really hope for a solution somehow. Can’t see it sadly
 
Newsom is rhetorically fighting back against the Trump admin. He's trying to counter Trump's narratives online.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:


"I know that ain't who I think it is"
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Trump calling others insurrectionists, while he and his cult, are the actual insurrectionists, priceless.

But somehow, US has lost its mind, and not only rewarded him with an electoral win, but millions of new voters as a result, he is more popular than ever, in actuality.

It can't all be "economic anxiety", more and more people long for a strongman, it seems.
 
Morty_ said:
Trump calling others insurrectionists, while he and his cult, are the actual insurrectionists, priceless.

But somehow, US has lost its mind, and not only rewarded him with an electoral win, but millions of new voters as a result, he is more popular than ever, in actuality.

It can't all be "economic anxiety", more and more people long for a strongman, it seems.
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Very little of Trump's appeal has anything to do with "economic anxiety". Everyone has their own reasons for supporting him -- some are unyielding partisans, others are racists, others believe in the domination by white males of anyone who is not a white male, but there are some among us who love the idea of a strongman taking charge and getting things done, even if it means economic and political collapse.
 
CNN reports over 700 Marines have been mobilized for deployment to LA. Not clear what their instructions are but it seems for protection of buildings and personnel.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Trump, in Jan 6 2021, promise trial by combat. Did voters think that changed?
 
There are good cops and all that, but if you choose to join ICE in any capacity you're basically evil. Those are the kinds of people who would volunteer for concentration camp duty. Or possibly will.
 
FortunaUtd said:
The bolded does apply. Anyway, I don't disagree with anything you write. I can also deal with the thought that whatever I do here might be insignificant or laughable, don't worry.
I mainly wanted to point out, since we're here, that when Democrats call for protesters not to do anything violent, they are blaming the victims. And I felt the right of @maniak's posts to exist deserved some defending, on the basis of that the danger I see, in the public response to the rise of the far right, is that it's akin to the frog in the glass with the temperature rising.
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On the matter of moderation, I just wanted to say the warning here was not for that initial comment that there is now a moral justification for violence. That in itself is an interesting subject that's worth of (nuanced, complex) discussion - like you've been having today. The first warning @maniak received was rather for the callous disregard of human life in the subsequent post, coupled with considerations that @oneniltothearsenal commented on earlier.

(The other warnings he received were due to other reasons and I won't go into that here.)
 
Trump agitating against insurrectionists is the height of irony/goebbelism. I think we're approaching genuine worry for American democracy. Unlike previous times, the #DeepState seems utterly apathetic this time around. It seems that voting for this shit twice, with everything we know, has given an actual democratic mandate to dismantle democracy.
 
So, uneventful 6 months, eh?

B20 said:
Trump agitating against insurrectionists is the height of irony/goebbelism. I think we're approaching genuine worry for American democracy. Unlike previous times, the #DeepState seems utterly apathetic this time around. It seems that voting for this shit twice, with everything we know, has given an actual democratic mandate to dismantle democracy.
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I was thinking the same thing. If there is a Deep State, it is clear that it's absolutely useless. It can't protect anyone nor anything.

A Deep State pulling the strings on the back would actually be preferable to this.
 
Krakenzero said:
So, uneventful 6 months, eh?



I was thinking the same thing. If there is a Deep State, it is clear that it's absolutely useless. It can't protect anyone nor anything.

A Deep State pulling the strings on the back would actually be preferable to this.
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They are actively dismantling the Deep State through many different methods & have been rather successful thus far.
 
Pretty much civil war at this point Blue Vs Red states





It would be hell if Newsom ran for President and actually won, (Red) states would secede
 
It is fecking fascist. And I'm not doing this false equivocation thing but it has been running for too long. End of Obama years? Then we all know what happened in Trump 1 and then it became background noise, but not nothing, in Biden, and now its conclusion in Trump 2. It's the kind of shit the stasi did in Germany. Nightmarish.

Good to see resistance to it. There should be amnesty for all people in the US that have been there for say two or three years or more. Not perfect but better than whatever fecking madness they're doing now.
 
Precaution said:
Pretty much civil war at this point Blue Vs Red states





It would be hell if Newsom ran for President and actually won, (Red) states would secede
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He's frustrated. Most Governors in his situation would be if the President calls out the National Guard into their states, and now the Marines are getting moblized as well. This entire thing could quickly spiral out of control unless Trump and Newsom talk directly.
 
Soldiers are not law enforcement, its a very diffferent skillset, even in the highly militarized US police environment.

Putting Marines into that environment pretty much guarantees a tradgedy, which is, of course, why trump is doing it.

I'm thinking that they will have martial law in at least one blue state before the end of the summer.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Soldiers are not law enforcement, its a very diffferent skillset, even in the highly militarized US police environment.

Putting Marines into that environment pretty much guarantees a tradgedy, which is, of course, why trump is doing it.

I'm thinking that they will have martial law in at least one blue state before the end of the summer.
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He would probably need to invoke the Insurrection Act to use the military. This entire ICE operation is supposed to take about 30 days, so the hope is it won't spiral out of control anymore than this weekend where Trump feels he can use actual troops on the ground against protesters. As of now the national guard have been mostly protecting the outside of buildings where ICE are operating.
 
Raoul said:
He's frustrated. Most Governors in his situation would be if the President calls out the National Guard into their states, and now the Marines are getting moblized as well. This entire thing could quickly spiral out of control unless Trump and Newsom talk directly.
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The scary thing is that Trump has little motivation to. Making California and Newsom look bad to them is attacking the head of the "liberal snake". It's all sorts of fecked up. Coming to other "liberal" towns next.
 
Redplane said:
The scary thing is that Trump has little motivation to. Making California and Newsom look bad to them is attacking the head of the "liberal snake". It's all sorts of fecked up. Coming to other "liberal" towns next.
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Newsom's comments yesterday were pretty spot on imo. There's also the subtext that Trump doesn't like him because he's almost certainly running for President and views him as a natural adversary.

 
Raoul said:
Newsom's comments yesterday were pretty spot on imo. There's also the subtext that Trump doesn't like him because he's almost certainly running for President and views him as a natural adversary.

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Comments can be whatever, according to yougov, these protests have only 36% approval, and 45% disapproval, if what twitter/x is showing is correct.

Wouldn't be a shock either, most americans clearly wants to kick out immigrants, legal or not, judging by last november.
 
Morty_ said:
Comments can be whatever, according to yougov, these protests have only 36% approval, and 45% disapproval, if what twitter/x is showing is correct.

Wouldn't be a shock either, most americans clearly wants to kick out immigrants, legal or not, judging by last november.
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100%

This is being loudly cheered on by a vast majority of Trump supporters. Not a big surprise given this was one of his most popular issues on the right.
 
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This is being loudly cheered on by a vast majority of Trump supporters. Not a big surprise given this was one of his most popular issues on the right.
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But again, Trump-supporters keeps being an ever-increasing portion of the US electorate.
Before long, most of the US will be Trump-cultists.

So, uh, what does Newsom or Pete's slick speeches accomplish, actually, when most are against them?
 
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Morty_ said:
But again, Trump-supporters keeps being an ever-increasing portion of the US electorate.
Before long, most of the US will be Trump-cultists.

So, uh, what does Newsom or Pete's slick speeches accomplish, actually, when most are against them?
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I think you've taken a bit of a leap here. There are often swings in public sentiment between election cycles.
 
California is like what the worlds 5th? Biggest economy?
Surely the weight of the guy in charge holds something?
Stupid question incoming but could they not just leave?
 
The Purley King said:
California is like what the worlds 5th? Biggest economy?
Surely the weight of the guy in charge holds something?
Stupid question incoming but could they not just leave?
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If it weren't in the union then it wouldn't be the world's fifth biggest economy.

The anti-migrant stuff will set America ablaze (not just what is happening here, but worse). The American economy has long relied, and still relies, on millions of illegal migrants doing jobs that legal citizens do not want to do but which are rather crucial.

This stuff is basically insane. A few triggers? Demography. The US will be 50% non-white in a few decades (none of this shit is going to stop that either, so it's just performative -- indeed, it makes it worse because instead of playing down differences and allowing people to assimilate what they're doing is stoking tension that will last a generation). It's so fecking idiotic. But you also see a display of the overt fascism of the US now (saw it during George Floyd, too). It's a sad sight. That pendulum moving in that direction will also be a disaster. I guarantee, you though, that it will swing back hard. No one (including those on the right) will tolerate that kind of state the more and more encroaching it gets.

Other triggers include an inevitable economic downturn in real terms. The economy might grow but it will shrink, as it has to, as proportion of the world's gdp. But that's inevitable in late/death of empire which is where the US is.

Trump has no answers. He has slogans that appease people. When these people get out of that cult, and most will (my own prediction), and see how nothing has changed, there will be even more anger. They will turn against Trump (I guarantee you). It's just a matter of "how long does it take".
 
neverdie said:
If it weren't in the union then it wouldn't be the world's fifth biggest economy.

The anti-migrant stuff will set America ablaze (not just what is happening here, but worse). The American economy has long relied, and still relies, on millions of illegal migrants doing jobs that legal citizens do not want to do but which are rather crucial.

This stuff is basically insane. A few triggers? Demography. The US will be 50% non-white in a few decades (none of this shit is going to stop that either, so it's just performative -- indeed, it makes it worse because instead of playing down differences and allowing people to assimilate what they're doing is stoking tension that will last a generation). It's so fecking idiotic. But you also see a display of the overt fascism of the US now (saw it during George Floyd, too). It's a sad sight. That pendulum moving in that direction will also be a disaster. I guarantee, you though, that it will swing back hard. No one (including those on the right) will tolerate that kind of state the more and more encroaching it gets.

Other triggers include an inevitable economic downturn in real terms. The economy might grow but it will shrink, as it has to, as proportion of the world's gdp. But that's inevitable in late/death of empire which is where the US is.

Trump has no answers. He has slogans that appease people. When these people get out of that cult, and most will (my own prediction), and see how nothing has changed, there will be even more anger. They will turn against Trump (I guarantee you). It's just a matter of "how long does it take".
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I doubt it, there is no getting out of this cult, Trump increased his vote tally by around 15 millions in the last 10 years, he didn't have to do anything real, and yet, people loves him more than ever.
 
Morty_ said:
Comments can be whatever, according to yougov, these protests have only 36% approval, and 45% disapproval, if what twitter/x is showing is correct.

Wouldn't be a shock either, most americans clearly wants to kick out immigrants, legal or not, judging by last november.
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Immigration is an issue and most people who voted for him wanted to prevent more immigrants from coming into the US, deport criminals and make our borders safe. What some of them didn't expect is the inhumane way that ICE is going about enforcing these new Immigration initiative. I'm not sure what they expected.
Some of his supporters are still in favor of all this but some are seriously rethinking what they supported. Majority of them will still see nothing wrong and consider this a win for America. Detaining people who are going for court hearings, arresting people when their lawyers are in the bathroom. No decent person who voted for trump(not sure if there are any) will be comfortable watching what's been unfolding. Hopefully most will be thinking that this isn't what they signed up for but we all know the majority of his voters are loving every minute of this.
This is why I was so upset when I realized that a lot of his voters are from immigrant communities. He used them to get where he needs to and care nothing about them or their people. They abandoned their own people by voting for him so they deserve every minute of whatever hell they have to face for the next 4 years.
 
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