The U.S. and Israel attack Iran | Peace deal finally on?

Iran is very upset they killed their leader while negotiations were taking place, this may be like when Xi refuses to meet a diplomat, but sends an underlying, a way to try to frame the power dynamic.

Wanting the US to end the blockage as a sign of good faith before meeting face to face makes some sense. I don’t think the US are close to finding common ground for a deal.
 
From an investment perspective, I wonder if there’s a long-game thing here to get behind renewables & biotech as supply of the traditional fossil fuels become less predictable. I mean, it’s hardly a bad idea anyway….I just think maybe there’s a bit more incentive for investment now than there was a few months ago.
Edit - maybe should be in a different thread
 
From an investment perspective, I wonder if there’s a long-game thing here to get behind renewables & biotech as supply of the traditional fossil fuels become less predictable. I mean, it’s hardly a bad idea anyway….I just think maybe there’s a bit more incentive for investment now than there was a few months ago.
Edit - maybe should be in a different thread

IMHO will be one of the key consequences of the war. You can’t wish an unreliable supply back to how it was before. Cat’s out of the bag.
 
350 million people live in the country.
The president is Tramp.
Vice president is Vance from Vance refrigeration.
And negotiators are Wit-off and Knutser.

Are you kidding me....
 


The idea that the US and Israel could just crash the party and roll out the same style of reality-TV, paedophile clown show that passes for governance in the US, looks increasingly fanciful with each passing day. Some thought they would settle for this bumbling fecking idiot being thrust upon them?

And now our foot is firmly in the trap and we have to try and pretend that we wanted this to happen all along, that we meant to do it, and that we're just going to sit here quietly, not because we can't get out but because it's a nice sunny day for a sit down.
 


The idea that the US and Israel could just crash the party and roll out the same style of reality-TV, paedophile clown show that passes for governance in the US, looks increasingly fanciful with each passing day. Some thought they would settle for this bumbling fecking idiot being thrust upon them?

And now our foot is firmly in the trap and we have to try and pretend that we wanted this to happen all along, that we meant to do it, and that we're just going to sit here quietly, not because we can't get out but because it's a nice sunny day for a sit down.

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350 million people live in the country.
The president is Tramp.
Vice president is Vance from Vance refrigeration.
And negotiators are Wit-off and Knutser.

Are you kidding me....
Vance has been frozen out then. I have read that the Pakistan negotiators have said to Trump that Vance is a block to a deal with Iran because they dislike his attitude.
 
Vance has been frozen out then. I have read that the Pakistan negotiators have said to Trump that Vance is a block to a deal with Iran because they dislike his attitude.
Funny if true... in the beginning I read that Iran wanted Vance as he was apparently the most anti-war inside the US government. But I can absolutely imagine him being a dick about it, so no wonder if Iran now think they are better off without him.

Nonetheless interesting to see that Iran seems to have the leverage to select who they want to negotiate with.The US don't look like winners here.
 
Iran caused more extensive damage to U.S. military bases than publicly known
American military bases and other equipment in the Persian Gulf region suffered extensive damage from Iranian strikes that is far worse than publicly acknowledged and is expected to cost billions of dollars to repair, according to three U.S. officials, two congressional aides and another person familiar with the damage.
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/...e-us-military-bases-publicly-known-rcna331853
 
Witkoff and Kusher not going apparently.

From CNN:
President Donald Trump has called off planned meetings between his envoys and Iranian counterparts in Islamabad, Pakistan, where the parties were supposed to work toward a ceasefire deal to end the ongoing US-Iran war.
“I’ve told my people a little while ago, they were getting ready to leave, and I said, ‘Nope, you’re not making an 18 hour flight to go there,’” Trump told Fox News in a phone interview, according to comments read aloud on air. “’We have all the cards. They can call us anytime they want, but you’re not going to be making any more 18-hour flights to sit around talking about nothing.’”
 
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Iran caused more extensive damage to U.S. military bases than publicly known

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/...e-us-military-bases-publicly-known-rcna331853

This was covered pretty extensively on social media but not in the mainstream media. Due to no real major press outlets not covering this story, most of the reports on social media were dismissed as rumours without evidence or fake news and AI videos. I'm sure it was dismissed in here too exactly the same as the US weapons stocks being depleted was dismissed by some in here, and on social media.

The way Hegseth and Trump and others have clearly orchestrated information that is related to the press or that they themselves have released is yet another reason why, at this present moment in time, you can hardly trust anything they say. It's abundantly clear they have been taking notes or even getting directions from Israel and/or Russia.

Trump is petrified of any bad press and it seems Hegseth is the same too. They are shit scared of answering questions and bad publicity leading to bad poll numbers.

They are actively blocking the Press and even had the Pentagon press pool moved from their office in the Pentagon to an annexed building. They tried to deny and cover up the school girls attack, denied bases were hit and hid the numbers of injured in the attacks. They denied aircraft were struck down, denied one of their carriers was hit and also came up with this magical story over Easter weekend about a pilot downed on Good Friday only to be saved on Easter Sunday yet the pilot still hasn't been named or pictured anywhere. Rumours still persist that given the region the aircraft were operating it was a failed attempt by the US to attempt to get to the area where the enriched uranium is supposed to be buried.

Both Iran and the US have conflicting stories on nearly every single aspect of this war so far and a lot of what the US has claimed has later been proved to have been misinformation or completely untrue. There are scores of analysts and war correspondents openly disputing the administrations versions of events, especially the downed aircraft and rescued pilots, what they were doing in that particular region and also injured and even the actual numbers of dead US servicemen and women.

We have also had constant conflicting statements about goals and achievements and results as well as conflicting reports on the end game or main objectives. They go hand in had with constant conflicting reports about Irans losses and capabilities.

On top of all the uncertainty, unverified rumours and mixed reporting is the fact that as of this week, Pete Hegseth has removed (fired) 34 high ranking military officials including chiefs of staff, head of the NSA and Commander of US cyber command, Admirals and Vice Admirals and more. A fair few were women or persons of colour which explains a lot when you see he's also blocked the promotion of 2 women and 2 black men.

Finally, there is also the continued contradictions and difference in statements coming from the US and Israel. They repeatedly show that at times they are not reading from the same hymn pages. Netenyahu has also said he's given daily reports when at times nobody in the US appears to be on the same page or even if they are, Trump comes out and contradicts them.

All of this is made all the more worse because of the reporting and misinformation leading back to my original point of the US copying Israel and Russia in the way they are handling the press and information given out about the war. The big difference is Israel not only have a clear agenda and clear goals the US can't even agree on why they got involved in the first place or who advised or influenced them.tjere must have been 10 different reasons and contradictions in the first couple of weeks alone. Still now they keep moving the goalposts. Meanwhile, Israel and Iran both have years of experience in keeping the press out and limiting what they can actually see, hear and report. They have always more or less got away with it and the US is seriously trying to copy that playbook.

The US has always had a much more open, honest and transparent approach especially with regards to allowing media access to the region and troops & the press access at the Pentagon and the reporting of casualty & equipment numbers and losses.

Of course they have always been full of shit like with the WMD's and blatant cover ups, but overall the day to day reporting, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan and the White House statements were infinitely more open and honest and the press had far more access and freedom.

The fact you have relatively small outlets reporting stuff well in advance of the major outlets and often reporting stuff that's denied yet later found out to be absolutely spot on and on more than a few occasions Iran have been reporting the truth about things denied by US absolutely says it all.


Given the number of stories about top military brass falling out or disagreeing with Trump & Hegseth and given the number of top officials fired or removed shows again that behind the scenes must be absolute fecking chaos.

All in all it's an absolute shitshow and I guarantee in the not so distant future many books are going to come out exposing it all.
 
That reads like the typical bot interpretative slop I have to put up with all day every time something happens in the markets.

It is usually someone trying to talk up his book with long ass post that sound clever and you wonder if the guy has the foggiest idea what they are talking about.

It's not just some AI slop that you can easily dismiss - it's a concerted effort by Israelis to plant the seed that Turkiye is next in the agenda (maybe in 5 or 10 years) and this is being spoken openly by the likes of Naftali Bennett who's certainly not a fringe figure in Israeli politics!

Here's Daniel Levy explaining what's going on

 
It's not just some AI slop that you can easily dismiss - it's a concerted effort by Israelis to plant the seed that Turkiye is next in the agenda (maybe in 5 or 10 years) and this is being spoken openly by the likes of Naftali Bennett who's certainly not a fringe figure in Israeli politics!

Here's Daniel Levy explaining what's going on


How did a former Spurs man get a job like this :confused:
 
Trump has said on Fox that "in three days their oil will explode" causing permanent damage to their infrastructure that'll be unrepairable. So this thing will end within the week. Thank god for that.

Also he said we've destroyed 80 percent of their missile capacity, 75 or 70 percent of their drones

Strange that these percentages keep coming down.:confused:

But anyway this is great news for all of us that were hoping for a swift resolution, and this time next week everything will be great.:drool:

One more: on China possibly helping Iran "well we also help people so I'm not overly disappointed". Xi is going to have him on a spit next month, it's going to be hilarious.
 
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Trump has said on Fox that "in three days their oil will explode" causing permanent damage to their infrastructure that'll be unrepairable. So this thing will end within the week. Thank god for that.

Also he said we've destroyed 80 percent of their missile capacity, 75 or 70 percent of their drones

Strange that these percentages keep coming down.:confused:

But anyway this is great news for all of us that were hoping for a swift resolution, and this time next week everything will be great.:drool:

One more: on China possibly helping Iran "well we also help people so I'm not overly disappointed". Xi is going to have him on a spit next month, it's going to be hilarious.
For someone who’s style and ego is so built around the strongman image, it’s bizarre he can say that without realising how limp-dick it sounds
 
Some reports that Iran ready to open the Strait if the blockade ends.. will discuss on the nuclear deal but no decision yet..

That's basically the deal from the 6th april ceasefire.. or the status before the war began..

Not sure how the US spins that as a win, but they need to find a way..
 
“When Netanyahu goes, it will be all good”:


Bennet effectively became PM by running to the right of Netanyahu. And Lapid recently said that he would support the Greater Israel.

Not much of a surprise here.
 
Every single time Merz opens his mouth, his foot ends up in it. It's an astonishing talent.
Considering his previous position in the financial sector, I assumed we would get an evil but competent guy. Seems he's just evil though, no competence in sight
 
@FortunaUtd @hellhunter what is your issue here? I don't see anything wrong with the statements he made, it's quite obvious that the USA aren't winning like they expected and that Iran has a lot more agency in the talks (or even in not holding them...) as expected.

It's obvious that the USA weren't prepared for that and I don't have any issue with him telling it like it is. This isn't our war, we weren't consulted about it and it obviously wasn't prepared well.
 
@FortunaUtd @hellhunter what is your issue here? I don't see anything wrong with the statements he made, it's quite obvious that the USA aren't winning like they expected and that Iran has a lot more agency in the talks (or even in not holding them...) as expected.

It's obvious that the USA weren't prepared for that and I don't have any issue with him telling it like it is. This isn't our war, we weren't consulted about it and it obviously wasn't prepared well.
I didn't check out the most recent statement, can regard my post as a general observation
 
@FortunaUtd @hellhunter what is your issue here? I don't see anything wrong with the statements he made, it's quite obvious that the USA aren't winning like they expected and that Iran has a lot more agency in the talks (or even in not holding them...) as expected.

It's obvious that the USA weren't prepared for that and I don't have any issue with him telling it like it is. This isn't our war, we weren't consulted about it and it obviously wasn't prepared well.

He is not wrong but is it helpful to instigate the US at this juncture ? The more Trump feels beaten / embarassed, the less likely is a peace deal.

He should be encouraging a peace deal saying US is doing the right thing and Iran is beaten etc.
 
He is not wrong but is it helpful to instigate the US at this juncture ? The more Trump feels beaten / embarassed, the less likely is a peace deal.

He should be encouraging a peace deal saying US is doing the right thing and Iran is beaten etc.
He absolutely should not. Trump apparently is floating the idea of "punishing" NATO members who didn't join his war. I definitely think he should not be encouraged in any way that his war might be the right thing.

The world moves on and leaves the USA behind. Slowly but increasingly. The days of appeasing the US president are over in Europe.
 
Bennet effectively became PM by running to the right of Netanyahu. And Lapid recently said that he would support the Greater Israel.

Not much of a surprise here.
It’s not a surprise nor new. But it’s a reminder to all of those who push for us the “Netanyahu this, Netanyahu that…” as if he’s the only one who wants wars and land grabs.
 

Said Germany and EU also have "own European ideas on how to get to a resolution of the conflict." Will continue own diplomatic efforts in coordination with US. This was the second public criticism of US by Merz in one day. Earlier Merz said about US in Iran: "an entire nation is being humiliated by the Iranian leadership".

US citizens taking a pop at his own fancy dinner, client journalists calling him a paedophile rapist to his face, Fallon yucking it up on national TV, Xi getting his best paddle ready and now the servile Europeans are saying he has been humiliated by Iran. If he doesn't get his ballroom he'll be praying the next guy succeeds.
 
Brent over 110. WTI over 100. US 30Y back close to 5%.

and its a Tuesday..

What will he tweet today?
 
Merz can go feck himself, the genocide supporting cnut. The problem is not the hundreds of thousands of dead, it's that it's taking too long.
 
He is not wrong but is it helpful to instigate the US at this juncture ? The more Trump feels beaten / embarassed, the less likely is a peace deal.

He should be encouraging a peace deal saying US is doing the right thing and Iran is beaten etc.
Oh aye, this sort of wimpy appeasement is definitely the right route to take with Trump.
 
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Back to the bombing threats.. he cant make his mind up.
 
Pakistan notified 6 land routes for transportation of goods to Iran amid blockade of Hormuz and Iranian ports.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/1995253

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has notified six routes for the transportation of goods to Iran against an encashable bank guarantee amid reports that thousands of containers destined for Iran are awaiting clearance at Pakistani ports.

For this to come into force, the Ministry of Commerce has issued a statutory regulatory order, Transit of Goods through Territory of Pakistan Order 2026.

According to the order, following routes have been designated for the transit of goods:

  • Gwadar-Gabd
  • Karachi/ Port Qasim-Lyari-Ormara-Pasni-Gabd
  • Karachi/ Port Qasim- Khuzdar-Dalbandin-Taftan
  • Gawadar-Turbat-Hoshab-Panjgur-Nagg-Besima-Khuzdar-Quetta/ Lakpass-Dalbandin-Nokundi-Taftan
  • Gwadar-Liari-Khuzdar-Quetta/ Lakpass-Dalbandin-Nokundi-Taftan
  • Karachi/ Port Qasim -Gwadar- Gabd
Meanwhile, it has been reported that more than 3,000 containers destined for Iran have been stuck at the Karachi port for the past few days. This has been reported as the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz — which was the route for one-fifth of the world’s oil and gas supply in peacetime — and that of Iranian ports continues amid a conflict between the US and Iran.
 
Brent just hit a war time high.. crossed 119. And the spot price is higher..