It's a bit of a pointless endeavour to include Tactical rockets/missiles into this count because frankly, short of parking them on the Iraqi border firing them into Kuwait, or parking them in Bandar Abbass and firing at the northern tip of UAE, most of their tactical missiles can't even reach the Gulf states.
The U.S. and Israel attack Iran | Peace deal finally on?
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It's a bit of a pointless endeavour to include Tactical rockets/missiles into this count because frankly, short of parking them on the Iraqi border firing them into Kuwait, or parking them in Bandar Abbass and firing at the northern tip of UAE, most of their tactical missiles can't even reach the Gulf states.
The Iranian military has said it retaliated against United States Navy ships after US forces targeted an oil tanker in Iran’s territorial waters, a major escalation that puts further strain on the fragile truce between Washington and Tehran.
Iran’s Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters added on Thursday that the US also violated the ceasefire by carrying out air strikes on civilian areas, including Qeshm Island, “in cooperation with some regional countries”, without identifying them.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026...n-as-state-media-reports-clashes-with-us-navy
Iran’s Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters added on Thursday that the US also violated the ceasefire by carrying out air strikes on civilian areas, including Qeshm Island, “in cooperation with some regional countries”, without identifying them.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026...n-as-state-media-reports-clashes-with-us-navy
US attacked Iranian oil ports after Iran attacked US ships.
And they claim the ceasefire is still in effect. Amazing
Since we're approaching weekend I feel like there's gonna be another market manipulation. Trump is probably gonna make a one sided announcement on weekend again sending stocks market up at the start of next week. That's been the pattern. He pumps it and then Iran is the one who brings it down.
I see Trump is downplaying the attacks, obviously less than a week away from his China trip he knows can't go before Xi empty handed.
Trump calling Iranian leadership lunatics yet we know who the real lunatic is here.
"Butterfly dropping to it's grave"
These embassy accounts are feral
. But seriously we're going to look back at this Hormuz debacle as a moment of historical idiocy. It's Nero on his lute.I guess I am one if the few who finds this meme politics extremely cringe. It would've helped if they were at least somewhat funny.
Me too, I think they are stupid.
I just filled full tank of gas yesterday at a ransom. I would be so pissed if it suddenly goes down by a dollar.
How are things in the UAE? I saw that Iran launched drones on Monday and a few last night, schools also seem to be back to online classes now but wondering if there are any folks from the cafe who live in Dubai/Abu Dhabi?
US claims at this point are worthless. ANything could be true.
It's a strange situation so far. Ceasefire seems to get broken at will. And in March there were urgent warnings of fuel problems in May yet here we are in May.
Increasingly it feels like background noise.
Increasingly it feels like background noise.
Good point. Apparently we were almost out of helium and that would mean a lot of medical equipment would not work as well. But that narrative seems to have fallen by the wayside.
Quite normal, just quieter than usual since the tourists are gone. Schools to reopen on Monday I believe (and hope).
It's either:
1_ Massive undercounting of pre-war inventory
2_ Significant war production (which would be extraordinary under heave bombardment)
3_ The 70% includes something than ballistic missiles
I tend to lean to option 3. The article itself mentions "missiles", so I'm sure it's lumping tactical missiles in that number
What if US were thinking of a ground invasion, then it's not that pointless to include tactical missiles into the assessment
It's also a bit pointless because nobody at that rate things like MANPADS, ATGM's and liquid fuelled rockets count as "Tactical missiles" and its impossible to destroy those. You could literally put a crate of 50 of them in some random guys basement and its impossible to locate them from normal intelligence sources.
True, the number might be defensible in some intel spreadsheet, but in public debate it’s basically useless without the fine print. “70% retained” of what? Ballistic missiles? Mobile launchers? Anti-ship missiles? Drones? Old liquid-fueled stuff sitting in tunnels? Random tactical rockets? MANPADS? ATGMs? Some crate of garbage in a basement?
And that’s why the figure becomes a Rorschach test. Everyone can see whatever they want in it:
Iran still has 70% — the war failed
Iran still has 70% — keep bombing
Iran still has 70% — negotiate because they still have leverage
Iran still has 70% — the admin is lying about how much damage was done
Same number, four completely different arguments by anti-war, pro-escalation, pro-diplomacy and anti-trump factions. Perfect ambiguity.
Pretty crazy story.
I wish an Iranian drone or missile had taken him out.
Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium must be “taken out” before the US-Israeli war against Iran can be considered over, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said in an interview, AFP reports
“It’s not over, because there’s still nuclear material — enriched uranium — that has to be taken out of Iran. There’s still enrichment sites that have to be dismantled,” Netanyahu said in an excerpt of an interview due to air later Sunday on CBS’s “60 Minutes” program.
“You go in and you take it out,” the Israeli leader said when asked how the uranium could be removed.
Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium must be “taken out” before the US-Israeli war against Iran can be considered over, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said in an interview, AFP reports
“It’s not over, because there’s still nuclear material — enriched uranium — that has to be taken out of Iran. There’s still enrichment sites that have to be dismantled,” Netanyahu said in an excerpt of an interview due to air later Sunday on CBS’s “60 Minutes” program.
“You go in and you take it out,” the Israeli leader said when asked how the uranium could be removed.
I love that he's given US primetime to just completely undercut Trump. Trump: we did it we won, it's over. Netanyahu: It's not over.
And that's why our economies are fecked for the foreseeable.
And that's why our economies are fecked for the foreseeable.
Israeli special forces? suddenly it's uh uh let's no get into the details.
Israel is the joint partner in this debacle, only fair they do their share of the lifting.
Any other country trying this shit would be facing sanctions.
I am trying to figure out how this may end.
It’s very clear that Trump is Netanyahu’s lackey and will be unable to do a deal with Iran. Maybe if Trump descends to the afterlife, Rubio or Vance can do a deal. Or if Dems can somehow impeach Trump but seems unlikely as most are lackeys of Israel themselves.
Regardless of the ruin Hormuz and the damage to refineries this war is causing, I can’t see Europe sanctioning Israel and telling the US to get lost.
If the war continues, it will be an endless war just the way Israel likes it. But the damage to the global economy will be so severe with millions not being able to afford livelihood and tens of millions will lose their employment.
The only glimmer of hope is China. If they can bring Iran to the table and make an honest nation out of the US.
It’s very clear that Trump is Netanyahu’s lackey and will be unable to do a deal with Iran. Maybe if Trump descends to the afterlife, Rubio or Vance can do a deal. Or if Dems can somehow impeach Trump but seems unlikely as most are lackeys of Israel themselves.
Regardless of the ruin Hormuz and the damage to refineries this war is causing, I can’t see Europe sanctioning Israel and telling the US to get lost.
If the war continues, it will be an endless war just the way Israel likes it. But the damage to the global economy will be so severe with millions not being able to afford livelihood and tens of millions will lose their employment.
The only glimmer of hope is China. If they can bring Iran to the table and make an honest nation out of the US.
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It’s surreal and black mirroresque to see memey videos about things that affect so many people as well as lives being lost.
The US can continue to deploy forces for Israel and keep denying it in the media. The foreign media will have videos, proof and everything that says the US troops are still there, but Karoline can call all of them AI generated and call those media channels Left and woke and refuse to engage them.
Dems are not gonna do jackshit. This has been clear from the start.
I’m assuming something (not necessarily directly related to the war) will cause a massive stock market crash, given the S&P is ridiculously overinflated as it is, it’ll only take one thing ala Lehmans to cause a right old collapse. That’s happening, and the reality that hardly anyone will be insulated from it, might be enough to cause a bit of order and sanity
On oil prices:
WSJ reporting that the UAE has been secretly striking Iran, including a strike in April on Lavan Island.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-u-...out-attacks-on-iran-f1745a0d?mod=hp_lead_pos2
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-u-...out-attacks-on-iran-f1745a0d?mod=hp_lead_pos2
Yeah, I’ve been banging on about this for a while: the U.S. is exporting a ridiculous amount of oil, it's a big story not being covered.
Look at the trade picture. Over the last 6 mons we're basically exporting oil and gold, i.e. raw stuff. Not the glorious “chips, semiconductors, advanced manufacturing” spiel Trump loves to sell.
And the massive looting of the SPR is insane. You’ve already drained a big chunk of the emergency stash, while the country is still built around driving everywhere. Outside NYC and a handful of dense cities, people live and die by gasoline, diesel, freight, and transport costs.
So the question isn’t just “why aren’t oil prices higher?”
It’s: why the hell are we exporting so much oil during a potential supply shock? Someone is making a killing on this. Lutnick, Bessent, the hedge fund bros, the usual crowd feasting on volatility while everyone else gets handed the bill.
Maybe the market’s right and this all blows over. But if it doesn’t, America may find out it’s been selling the pantry right before dinner.
feck these people
I wonder what capabilities they kept there. For instance, I was always suspicious of the missiles fired from somewhere towards Turkey. And also fired toward Azerbaijan. Iran kept telling both Ankara and Baku: wasn’t us.
The U.S. has only two real options: (i) either compromise with Iran and accept some of its red lines (incl enrichment, minimal constraints on missiles and proxies, and Iran’s leverage around Hormuz), or (ii) commit to actual regime change, which means a much larger war and probably boots on the ground. There isn’t a neat middle option where sanctions, coercion, strikes, or a blockade magically force Tehran to surrender on its core issues.
Shit is about to hit the fan here in India. We were somewhat insulated for a while as the ruling party didn't increase fuel prices because of elections in some key states. Now that's done, dear leader is asking us to stop buying gold, reduce fuel usage and fertilizer usage etc. 
According to recent reporting, both the UAE and Saudi Arabia retaliated against Iran.
Are the US and China doing this in concert with each other, or is it simply a case of convergent evolution of both doing the same thing effectively but independent of each other?
Hard to say at this point.
What's clear is the duration of world inventories without oil imports is shrinking and the world's looking at energy lockdowns and rationing