Looks like this is gearing up again. Iran attacking the UAE today.
The U.S. and Israel attack Iran
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Several refueling tankers airborne as well
So reports of a South Korean ship, a UAE tanker and a UAE port being hit and Iran firing warning shots at a couple of US destroyers. Not great.
6 Iranian boats sunk apparently
End of the conflict etc going well then.
Hilarious that anyone entertained the thought of the war ending.
But orange man told me it was!!
Cant see it lasting beyond the start of the WC
Why would it stop before then? It will still be raging when the elections roll around (which would sadly be best to take as much of the government back as possible).
Apologies if previously posted, but damn...
Wow. That’s quite some viewing
Why is this "Astonishing?"
All these bases got abandoned weeks if not months in advance of the war beginning and the forward troops were using temporary FOB's set up in offices/empty apartments etc.
Air defenses got removed, assets stripped and planes moved to Jordan/Saudi.
It was pretty certain to planners (even to incompetent fecks like Hegseth) that those bases would be heavily targeted in the first weeks of the war hence the decision was made to move most of the troops out and take operations into the rear bases.
There's no way to defend them outside of moving latest new-gen anti-air assets that are currently deployed only in continental USA at the moment (but this circles back to why they weren't used).
Think you're missing the point. We have not been told about the severity of the damage on US bases over there, manned or not. We have had casualties in some of the base bombings which have been massively downplayed in the media; this is just an extension that. It doesn't have anything to do with defending them properly or not.
What's been downplayed?
CENTCOM has given period casualty reports and there's not been "Breaking news, there's actually been X more secretly dead that's been hidden".
Why does the public need to be told that bases got hit by drones with no casualties?
Do you think the media needs to put a headliner for every drone hit in the war?
In Iraq/Afghanistan during peak Troop surge, FOB's used to get hit multiple times a day. It only made the news when people actually got seriously hurt/died.
What do you think is reasonable amount of reporting? Al-Udaied getting hit got lots of attention. 5th Base Fleet HQ getting hit got attention (despite both being evacuated prior). They were the main bases the US operated from prior to the war starting.
There are hundreds and hundreds of US DoD FOB's and Lilypads in the Middle East. Does structural damage to every single one constitute media reporting?
I guess the main point I'm trying to make is that the vast majority of the hits were not reported because in the grand scheme of things they were really inconsequential:
- Nobody died/got hurt.
- Nothing was operating from there.
- Operational tempo is not impacted by strikes there.
Yeah, after the war finishes it will cost the Americans a few hundred million dollars (read: drop in the ocean) for them to patch it all back up (maybe a few hundred million more) to harden some hangars if they found they were not protected well enough, but given the (potential) 1.5 Trillion USD budget from 2027, this is so inconsequential.
- Nobody died/got hurt.
- Nothing was operating from there.
- Operational tempo is not impacted by strikes there.
Yeah, after the war finishes it will cost the Americans a few hundred million dollars (read: drop in the ocean) for them to patch it all back up (maybe a few hundred million more) to harden some hangars if they found they were not protected well enough, but given the (potential) 1.5 Trillion USD budget from 2027, this is so inconsequential.
Must be fishing boats because wasn't the entire Iranian Navy at the bottom of the sea ?
Again, it's not about limiting force projection or harming op tempo, it's just another aspect of the dumbing down of info reaching the masses by the current regime in the media.
I get that you have a certain skill set, let's call it a hammer, but not everything is a nail. Not everything needs to devolve into minutae.
Why are Iran attacking the UAE? Surely this will backfire massively and cause a more united front to respond - potentially paving a more legitimate route for European nations to get involved.
Iran claim that the UAE was involved in the air strikes in Iran during the war. They also see the UAE as the biggest US/Israel ally in the Middle East (they are right there).
But why now? What has changed? Surely this just isolates them even more - unless they are feeling the squeeze economically and this is a last move to try and open the strait by strong manning the situation
Sorry if I appeared stand-offish. It's not the case.
I actually would prefer the media doesn't report on military matters at all. It's counter-productive at best, misinformation at worst and honestly most people in the media reporting on these things don't have the technical understanding to fully understand the context of what they report. I've ranted a lot here about how poor military journalism is in general.
That's not to mention constant OPSEC being leaked.
For example, some European research scientists wrote an AI model that could track US Navy Ships in the Arabian sea, with publically released Satelitte data. (Part of the Reason DoD has asked them to stop).
They bragged about it on social media, making a video showing them giving live co-ordinates of where USS George W Bush was at a certain time as it was transiting to the Arabian sea.
Frankly, and this sounds extreme, this should be a jail sentence.
In most cases transparency is crucial and in some aspects in military matters, it should be transparent. Casualties, broad high level progress etc.
Everything else should be blanket banned. The damage the media does is sometimes awful.
Presumably a mixture of economic pressure and the news about American ships crossing the strait.
It’s easy to forget i think because of how normalised this has become but a blockade is not peace, it’s an act of war. If china deployed around french waters and said that they were blockading, that would rightly be seen as an act of war.l
China does do this to Taiwan, but insist they're doing "Blockade drills" that last for weeks at a time, and happen multiple time a year.
They create a live fire exercise zone around the island, tell maritime traffic that if they enter and get accidentally hit by live fire that's on them and then just "do exercises."
Ultimately, China leaves a small section of maritime waterways open that are not part of this zone but it causes huge disruption and whilst not an official "blockade" it amounts to the same thing. Ships have to spend days navigating to this small chokepoint.
Wouldn't a more direct comparison be if France blockaded it's own waters only to have that blockade blockaded?
All I care about is that it now costs $5/gallon to fill up my 3 row SUV. Doesn't feel like freedom to me.
Hormuz Wipeout going live in 3...2..
South Korea going Captain Darling at the end of Blackadder.
It sounds very American. You used information available to the public to tell where a ship is, well we can’t have that.
We can live in hope that someone will ask him why he needs S Korea or anyone else to help if all Iran has left is a few small boats. Can the US navy not handle them?
South Korea going Captain Darling at the end of Blackadder.
He is so desperate to get another nation involved so he can pass the blame to them for his idiocy.
Were the European scientists living in America/on American soil at the time? Or were they based in Europe?
You are out of your mind.
Why? Imagine in WWII a bunch of British by accident told the Japanese where American carriers at Midway were, with exact long-lat co-ordinates. Regardless of whether it was "an accident" or active sabotage, a bunch of Western Scientists have just provided a partial kill chain to Iran for one of their supposed Allies most important naval assets.
Doesn't matter. I'm not suggesting they actual go to jail via any judiciary system. Just that what they did was a huge betrayal of both Western interests and Atlanticism.
Publically providing co-ordinates of allies capital warships during wartime for the enemy to use is literally at best stupidity of gargantuan proportions or at worst sedition.
Britain was officialy at war with Japan since 1941 so that hypothetical is not relevant.
"Western interests" , "Atlanticism"...
Good fecking grief mate.
One man wakes up in the morning and fecks up the entire world.
As you have written yourself it was based on public data and published while the ship was on the way, not while it was fighting stationary (so there was only limited use knowing that position).
If anything they alerted the US that this kind of public satellite data can be effectively used by anyone for that purpose and therefore the data itself is an OPSEC risk.
And I haven’t even started the discussion about what Western interests and Atlanticism even means these days. Next to nothing if you ask me.
So you think it's okay for citizens of a nation that in a military alliance with another nation to leak military intelligence of the other nation? It's obviously not okay.
Regardless of how badly the current US government behaves, having a US carrier hit or targeted is in the interests of nobody in Europe.
Im confused why you think this is acceptable and even more confused why you think things like atlanticism is absurd
What do you think leak means in the context of publicly available information?
There's a lot of things that can be found from public data, anything from Strava to listed warehouse inventory safety management protocols posted.
There's a reason people don't work things out and then blast it all over social media.
Their last video had them show the location of the carriers operational position. Since then they've posted nothing which means someone gave them at the minimum a very stern talking to.
I think it's short sighted to not align western interests of atlanticism in the long term because of a terrible virus in the white house.
Regardless, doing what they did serves nobodies interests but Iran.
It's not about what their specific actions caused in that particular instance, but the whole principle of it.
Of course it matters. If they were based in America then I could see the argument for them being jailed (even if I were to disagree with it) but if they're not even in America then it's ridiculous to say they should be jailed.
Atlanticism just seems like a euphemism for white supremacy/European chauvinism/Western superiority, particularly when it's being used in the context of military matters
In the context of Gaza, Lebanon and Iranian war civilians casualties, it would be so typical for the media (especially US media) to get hysterical over public information being shared.