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I can’t for the life of me understand how some think Ole is delivering “the United way” we are incredibly dull to watch & we’re winning nothing. United are associated with explosive attacking football & winning trophies. How many entertaining games have we been involved in this season? Maybe 5? Max.
 

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I can’t for the life of me understand how some think Ole is delivering “the United way” we are incredibly dull to watch & we’re winning nothing. United are associated with explosive attacking football & winning trophies. How many entertaining games have we been involved in this season? Maybe 5? Max.
The top scorers in the premier league are boring to watch, great logic.
 

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I can’t for the life of me understand how some think Ole is delivering “the United way” we are incredibly dull to watch & we’re winning nothing. United are associated with explosive attacking football & winning trophies. How many entertaining games have we been involved in this season? Maybe 5? Max.
Ole is, first and foremost, Utd through and through. He is someone who loved the club as a player, never created a fuss, and performed to the best of his abilities every time he was put on the pitch. He is someone who bleeds Utd and is one of our own. The United Way first and foremost encompasses being a family. Ole is part of that family and understands what it means to be part of it. He is not Pep, a mercenary for hire who's only obsessed with creating his own vision on the pitch. He's not Jose, another narcissist who just wants adoration for himself. He may not be as good as those hipster German names that keep getting thrown around here, but he is someone who I know will give everything for this club, not for his own self, but for Manchester United. I can trust all his decisions( right or wrong) will be made with the best intentions for Man Utd, not for himself. This job is the biggest thing in his career and these are the players and managers I want here, like SAF, like Keane, like Scholes, Giggs, Cantona and countless others who recognize, Man Utd is the pinnacle of their career and treat it as such. I don't want mercenary players and managers who are here for their own egos, to prove their own greatness. They might be more talented but I'd much rather have players and staff here who believe Utd is the biggest club in the world and treat their time here as such.

I am sure, for many of the "logical" fans around here, this will probably sound like nonsense, but essentially this is what the United Way is all about
 

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The United way doesn't really exist. I mean Manchester United have more often than not been unsuccessful than successful since their founding. So, you could say that recently we have returned to the United Way.

In terms of bringing youth through, I bet there are quite a lot of clubs that have brought through more players than we have. So, I'm not sure that is really the United Way rather than the way of most football clubs in England below the Premier League. Even in the PL, I bet there are quite a few clubs that do more in this aspect.

In terms of signings, we were actually one of the perpetrators for starting transfer price rises. Rooney - £25m; Ferdinand - £34m; Veron - £28.1m. These prices were huge in those days.

In the end, you could say the Premier League Era 'United Way' is to spend loads of money and bring through a few youth players. And hopefully have a manager who is really good.
Some confuse strategy with culture. Strategy is fluid. For example a top club might believe in the youth academy in a way that it keeps hiring the best coaches and it keeps throwing millions at it. However if the youth academy is filled with duds then those players won't make it as regular first teamers. If a top club has money then it, most likely, spend it. Culture however rarely changes and United's culture is clear. We're a working class club who respect hard work and tend to hate employees who are lazy or arrogant. We also love to give a young player a shot even if a big name signing is often a safer shot. That doesn't mean that we don't sign ready made players (strategy) but think about it. Whom do you remember most fondly? signing Ronaldo/Rooney/Rio/Ole' or signing JSV's/Di Maria's/Pogba's/Ibra's one?

Our culture is clear. Its why Pogba whose a talented big name signing player who happens to be a youth academy product finds it so hard to enter the fans hearts as opposed to a hard working 'Johnny Foreigner' like Ji Sung Park
 
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For me OP, the United way is to play for the club badge with passion, desire, hunger and a never know you’re beaten attitude and you leave nothing out there. I don’t see a particular style of football as the United way but the drive and hunger which is a winning mentality. I believe in throwing tea cups around and giving players the hairdryer not from just the manager but the captain as well. If you don’t play the United way you get a grilling. I’ll never be upset if we lose as long as the players did not fall short of the above. Unfortunately the current squad don’t have the United way attitude on the pitch and some fall short regularly. Remember Carlos the ass Tevez. More skill than most of the players today but his work ethic and mentality were the United way, never knew he was beat and never stopped but SAF demanded that from his players.

Football is and will always be a changing sport in terms of tactics and training diets etc (although I swear one day in a few years time teams will all go back to 4-4-2 variations) but the United way doesn’t change. That’s my belief of what the United way is.
 
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Ole is, first and foremost, Utd through and through. He is someone who loved the club as a player, never created a fuss, and performed to the best of his abilities every time he was put on the pitch. He is someone who bleeds Utd and is one of our own. The United Way first and foremost encompasses being a family. Ole is part of that family and understands what it means to be part of it. He is not Pep, a mercenary for hire who's only obsessed with creating his own vision on the pitch. He's not Jose, another narcissist who just wants adoration for himself. He may not be as good as those hipster German names that keep getting thrown around here, but he is someone who I know will give everything for this club, not for his own self, but for Manchester United. I can trust all his decisions( right or wrong) will be made with the best intentions for Man Utd, not for himself. This job is the biggest thing in his career and these are the players and managers I want here, like SAF, like Keane, like Scholes, Giggs, Cantona and countless others who recognize, Man Utd is the pinnacle of their career and treat it as such. I don't want mercenary players and managers who are here for their own egos, to prove their own greatness. They might be more talented but I'd much rather have players and staff here who believe Utd is the biggest club in the world and treat their time here as such.

I am sure, for many of the "logical" fans around here, this will probably sound like nonsense, but essentially this is what the United Way is all about
What are you talking about? He was a Liverpool fan who played for us and spent the majority of his United career as a back-up player. You use Pep as an example but he has won City countless trophies and is certain to add to that. I am sure they would much rather that than have Shaun Goater or Paul Dickov in charge because they know "the City way" it's all a load of bollocks. I don't care that Ole played for us, his club legacy is seperate from his managerial ability, and he isn't good enough. We have way too much sentiment as a fan base, Gary Neville said this, it's about getting the best in class. We got van Gaal 15 years past his prime, we got Mourinho 5 years past his, we need a top manager who is currently in his prime if we want to move forward. This obsession with sentiment and "United way" is doing nothing forward. We will not win anything with this philosophy.
 

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Because time moves on and Ole should try and define his own brand, whatever that is. Even Fergie kept chopping and changing and was nothing like how he started at the end of his career.
It is not like Ole copies everything like for like anyway, he just clearly tries to take inspiration for some of SAF's methods, which there is nothing wrong with especially as Ole is not doing that bad of a job in his short time here.
 

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What are you talking about? He was a Liverpool fan who played for us and spent the majority of his United career as a back-up player. You use Pep as an example but he has won City countless trophies and is certain to add to that. I am sure they would much rather that than have Shaun Goater or Paul Dickov in charge because they know "the City way" it's all a load of bollocks. I don't care that Ole played for us, his club legacy is seperate from his managerial ability, and he isn't good enough. We have way too much sentiment as a fan base, Gary Neville said this, it's about getting the best in class. We got van Gaal 15 years past his prime, we got Mourinho 5 years past his, we need a top manager who is currently in his prime if we want to move forward. This obsession with sentiment and "United way" is doing nothing forward. We will not win anything with this philosophy.
You don't think Ole is United through and through because he 'supported' Liverpool as a kid? The man lives and breathes United.
 
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You don't think Ole is United through and through because he 'supported' Liverpool as a kid? The man lives and breathes United.
I don’t care. Is he an elite manager? No. Is he going to win us trophies? Probably not. That’s all I care about. I want us to be challenging on all fronts, not bottling title races & semi finals & crashing out of CL group stages to a soft club like Leipzig. That certainly isn’t “the United way”

David Beckham loves United too, should he be made manager? What about Gary Neville? He’s got a victory over Barcelona to his name. feck it, why not get Fred the Red in there. This obsession with sentiment is why we are going nowhere.
 

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For me OP, the United way is to play for the club badge with passion, desire, hunger and a never know you’re beaten attitude and you leave nothing out there. I don’t see a particular style of football as the United way but the drive and hunger which is a winning mentality. I believe in throwing tea cups around and giving players the hairdryer not from just the manager but the captain as well. If you don’t play the United way you get a grilling. I’ll never be upset if we lose as long as the players did not fall short of the above. Unfortunately the current squad don’t have the United way attitude on the pitch and some fall short regularly. Remember Carlos the ass Tevez. More skill than most of the players today but his work ethic and mentality were the United way, never knew he was beat and never stopped but SAF demanded that from his players.

Football is and will always be a changing sport in terms of tactics and training diets etc (although I swear one day in a few years time teams will all go back to 4-4-2 variations) but the United way doesn’t change. That’s my belief of what the United way is.
Speaking of 442....I genuinely believe it would work if teams weren't so keen on copying one another and actually focused on plugging gaps within their own systems. Even when 442 was the main formation, there were teams who simply used the system with no real tactical philosophies. Fergie perfected and adapted the formation 3 different times in his tenure. The 1994 442 was really a 4411, as Cantona was as much of a 10 as Totti was for Roma , dropping deep to link play.
The 442 used in the treble was really a wide 4132, with scholes pushing up, and Beckham and Giggs being playmakers and coming into midfield, with Yorke sometimes dropping deeper, but for the most part both forwards able to hold the ball high up the pitch. The Rooney-Ronaldo era team was an assymetric 433 at times, with Giggs staying a little deeper and Ronaldo pushing up, very fluid and interchangable...and at times shapeless offensively. Carrick and Scholes sat deeper than in a regular 442 to make this work.
 
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You guys are not serious about getting back to where we should’ve been this whole time. You lot are more than happy with challenging for top four every year & winning nothing, just as long as we bring through the youth & keep Ole because he’s a United man.

The lowering of standards in our fan base over the last 8 years sickens me. We’re Arsenal. Actually no, at least they win the odd FA Cup..
 

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Morning all.

Just wanted to have a discussion on the phrase " the United way". Its something I hear a lot and even when discussing players who have come up in our youth set up/academy and/or indeed Ole, I hear they've been bought up the United way.

Well what is the United way? In your opinion.

Also do people think that maybe this is hindering us? Do we not maybe need to look beyond that? So Pep or Klopp are now implementing their own philosophy rather than what maybe the City or Liverpool way. To be fair it probably applies more to Klopp and Liverpool.

But it's a new era and the Liverpool method of ex players and internal promotions didn't take them to the promised land. It was "outsiders" implementing their own philosophy that got them to where they are now. So likes of Rafa and Klopp and possibly Houllier and Rodgers.

Without trying to be controversial it wasn't likes of Carra and Gerrard that have taken Liverpool to the next level but, taking the current crop, VVD and Mane and Salah. Potentially Suarez and and even Torres?

Do we need to maybe need to look beyond the United way and look to establishing a new "way" with managers and players?

We always point to likes of Neville, Becks, Giggs and Scholes as United through and through yet arguably the most influential player for us was Cantona. A short sharp tenure that had more of an impact on the team and the players mentioned than previously.

I could go on to metion Evra and Vidic and Rio as players bought in who had that passion and winning mentality but were not youth/academy products. That was about SAF imo so the SAF way if you will. Players who were bought in and bought in to the managers philosophy. You can see this with Pep and Klopp too.

Football changes as do systems. So do we need to too? Do we need to find the next system or "way" rather than trying to stick to or revert to "the United way", whatever folk think that was/is?

Thoughts?
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You might not know but Eric was the first person to come to training and the last to leave. Once everyone left he would take a kid or two from the youth academy and train with them. He also made sure to sign every single autograph by the fans. Once he mistakenly failed to sign a disabled person shirt and he drove back to the training ground to do the job.

Don't believe the facade mate.
I know plenty about Eric....took two busses up to the Cliff then another two to OT on the day he signed. He pushed past two reporters to sign our autographs before going back to the journalists. He was arrogant on the pitch and to the media though. It was a personality trait of his. If you’re talking arrogance to fans....then Brian McClair the most obnoxious person I’ve possibly ever met. I didn’t rate him either, so to me he had no right to be that way. Either way your assertion is wrong. It probably just says something about your own beliefs and values more than Uniteds. Sir Alex could be extremely arrogant and sir Bobby too.
 

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15 of those goals came in 2 games... You think we are entertaining to watch? I get bored watching us play 3/4 of the time.
Why do Ole outers take our goals away from those 2 games to discredit our attack but don’t take them away from the 6-1? then bash the amount of goals we’ve conceded, almost like they have a massive agenda, how about we don’t take goals away and look at reality, the reality is we’ve scored the most goals.

To answer your question, yes I do find the team who’s scored the most goals in the league entertaining to watch, as mad as that might sound.

Feel like I’m talking to the scousers at work :lol:
 

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The United way doesn't really exist. I mean Manchester United have more often than not been unsuccessful than successful since their founding. So, you could say that recently we have returned to the United Way.

In terms of bringing youth through, I bet there are quite a lot of clubs that have brought through more players than we have. So, I'm not sure that is really the United Way rather than the way of most football clubs in England below the Premier League. Even in the PL, I bet there are quite a few clubs that do more in this aspect.

In terms of signings, we were actually one of the perpetrators for starting transfer price rises. Rooney - £25m; Ferdinand - £34m; Veron - £28.1m. These prices were huge in those days.

In the end, you could say the Premier League Era 'United Way' is to spend loads of money and bring through a few youth players. And hopefully have a manager who is really good.
Can you name these clubs that have had academy players in every match day for more than 4100 consecutive games and have produced better players for themselves than Best, Charlton, Edwards, Scholes, Giggs and Beckham ?
 
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Why do Ole outers take our goals away from those 2 games to discredit our attack but don’t take them away from the 6-1? then bash the amount of goals we’ve conceded, almost like they have a massive agenda, how about we don’t take goals away and look at reality, the reality is we’ve scored the most goals.

To answer your question, yes I do find the team who’s scored the most goals in the league entertaining to watch, as mad as that might sound.

Feel like I’m talking to the scousers at work :lol:
I watch every game we play. We are usually slow & dull. Are you really gonna disagree with me here? You think we are an entertaining watch more often than not? Give me examples, Leeds, Saints, Liverpool, first half against Everton, 2nd half against Leipzig. What else? Leicester was an entertaining watch. That’s all I can think of.

Scousers can’t say shit considering the season they are having.

I want Ole out because I want us to be an elite team & he isn’t an elite manager. It’s nothing to do with agenda.
 

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I like the Fergie way which involved integrating young players but more importantly adapting and evolving his teams constantly which made him successful as a manager across 5 decades.
 

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The top scorers in the premier league are boring to watch, great logic.
It’ll always be subjective. A lot of people found Peps Barcelona boring and Spain boring despite high goal scoring figures. Many others found them thrilling to watch. This current United side, pretty much nobody outside the club ever talks about United being pleasing to watch. United fans who do, like yourself, this season, have pointed to the number of goals scored but you rarely see comments in regards to the way we move the ball or score goals.
We are a very productive and efficient team but in general people do not see us as a good footballing team, it’s just how it is. It’s not a controversial view and it doesn’t become negated by goals scored.
 

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I know plenty about Eric....took two busses up to the Cliff then another two to OT on the day he signed. He pushed past two reporters to sign our autographs before going back to the journalists. He was arrogant on the pitch and to the media though. It was a personality trait of his. If you’re talking arrogance to fans....then Brian McClair the most obnoxious person I’ve possibly ever met. I didn’t rate him either, so to me he had no right to be that way. Either way your assertion is wrong. It probably just says something about your own beliefs and values more than Uniteds. Sir Alex could be extremely arrogant and sir Bobby too.
I never met choccy but I met the rest. They were absolute great with fans. The media is different. They hate us, we hate them and had been so since as long as I know. You can't ask our employees to love the media just as you can't expect them to love Liverpool or leeds

This respect towards fans is part of our culture. I assure you that its not part of football faaaar from it
 

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I don’t care. Is he an elite manager? No. Is he going to win us trophies? Probably not. That’s all I care about. I want us to be challenging on all fronts, not bottling title races & semi finals & crashing out of CL group stages to a soft club like Leipzig. That certainly isn’t “the United way”

David Beckham loves United too, should he be made manager? What about Gary Neville? He’s got a victory over Barcelona to his name. feck it, why not get Fred the Red in there. This obsession with sentiment is why we are going nowhere.
I was only asking if you thought Ole was United through and through as you seemed to imply that he isn't because he supported Liverpool.
 
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I was only asking if you thought Ole was United through and through as you seemed to imply that he isn't because he supported Liverpool.
Well, supporting our biggest rivals means he isn’t United through & through, it means he became United after joining the club.

I don’t care about that though. Busby played for City & Liverpool, it doesn’t matter. I want the best running our football club. Ole isn’t the best, United man or not.

Roy Keane & Steve Bruce are former United captains, I don’t want them either. We need a top manager if we want to be a top club. No other top club in world football would take Ole, same as Lampard. There’s a reason for that.
 

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Can you name these clubs that have had academy players in every match day for more than 4100 consecutive games and have produced better players for themselves than Best, Charlton, Edwards, Scholes, Giggs and Beckham ?
There are probably loads in the lower leagues; it is just logical. They don't have the money to rely on signings like us.

Whether they played that number of games is pretty irrelevant because most of them would lose their best players to bigger clubs. It is also pretty irrelevant whether they are at the level of the best (but there are plenty of them); in the end, it is about whether teams promote youth players.

In the PL -

West Ham - Rio Ferdinand, Frank Lampard, Michael Carrick, Joe Cole

Southampton - Walcott, Bale, Le Tissier, Bridge, Shaw,

Liverpool promotes quite a lot - Alexander-Arnold, Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, Owen, McManamman, Sterling (may have only been two seasons, but he was there), Matteo

There will be plenty more through history for each club. I don't think Manutd are somehow unique in this, and they never have been.
 

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We're currently worth $3.8 billion, one of the richest clubs in the world. Why would anyone choose to settle for mediocrity having access to the level of resources we have?

All of this sentimentalism is pure arrogance and stupidity really. The point of sport is to win first and foremost. Unless you actually enjoy losing, the 'United way' is just another way to absolve Ole of any criticism. A lot of people talk about Ole knowing the 'United way', it's true he's done well with the academy, but is it the United way to lower any expectations, and to bottle everything in sight once we get close? I don't think so. When we bottled the 3 semis last year, bottled the CL groups, and crumbled as soon as we felt any pressure going first this year, you can try and dress it up whichever way you want, that's not acceptable.

I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoy having some of the best players in the world here, and want it to continue. Bruno has said so himself many times, that he wants to win the top trophies. All I know for sure is, that the longer we go without competing at the very top, the more our own top talent will want out, and the harder it will be to attract the top talent to replace and build upon. After all it's been a never ending rebuild for 8 years so far.
 
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15 of those goals came in 2 games... You think we are entertaining to watch? I get bored watching us play 3/4 of the time.
Don't watch then.

Ole's not an idiot. First and foremost is winning games (or not losing).. we haven't got the players to play massively attacking football AND be pretty certain of a positive result.

Fergies teams (mainly) played good football because we had the players to do so AND win.

If we can get a top CH and/or a top Def Mid and Haaland, we'd be a different team. Capable of trusting the defence/Def Mid more and pushing up... until then, it's more cautionary.
 

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Don't watch then.

Ole's not an attacking manager. First and foremost is not losing games.. we haven't got the manager to play massively attacking football AND be pretty certain of a positive result.

Fergies teams (mainly) played good football because we had the players to do so AND win.

If we can get a top CH and/or a top Def Mid and Haaland, we'd be a different team. Capable of trusting the defence/Def Mid more and pushing up... until then, it's more cautionary.
Fixed for you.
 

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Ole is, first and foremost, Utd through and through. He is someone who loved the club as a player, never created a fuss, and performed to the best of his abilities every time he was put on the pitch. He is someone who bleeds Utd and is one of our own. The United Way first and foremost encompasses being a family. Ole is part of that family and understands what it means to be part of it. He is not Pep, a mercenary for hire who's only obsessed with creating his own vision on the pitch. He's not Jose, another narcissist who just wants adoration for himself. He may not be as good as those hipster German names that keep getting thrown around here, but he is someone who I know will give everything for this club, not for his own self, but for Manchester United. I can trust all his decisions( right or wrong) will be made with the best intentions for Man Utd, not for himself. This job is the biggest thing in his career and these are the players and managers I want here, like SAF, like Keane, like Scholes, Giggs, Cantona and countless others who recognize, Man Utd is the pinnacle of their career and treat it as such. I don't want mercenary players and managers who are here for their own egos, to prove their own greatness. They might be more talented but I'd much rather have players and staff here who believe Utd is the biggest club in the world and treat their time here as such.

I am sure, for many of the "logical" fans around here, this will probably sound like nonsense, but essentially this is what the United Way is all about
To play Devil's advocate, this is basically saying you don't want a meritocratic environment at the club. I do value the academy side of it, particularly after seeing ex players like Januzaj or Johnstone talk so fondly of their time a United, the idea of kids being taught respect which is slowly dying in football now (when you hear class of '92, Lampard, Terry, Gerrard talk about breaking into the first team you had to clean the senior players boots and be respectful etc) but I'd rather we had a coach who won things and left after a few years than someone I liked.

It's interesting because for me, in my thirties and having never really lived through Big Ron's tenure and only known SAF, my single biggest gripe with our club is the inability to move away from the successes of SAF, the class of '92, the ideas that were successful but are not in keeping with the speed at which football is changing, for example signing LVG as we saw the importance of possession football and in less than two seasons just sacking it off, going for instant success with Mou and now trying some kind of reset button with Ole. What are we resetting to? We're not like Ajax who, fair play to them, have a set system of coaching and style of play that is pretty constant. SAF didn't have one style of play, he was the master of reinvention so how can you reset to something that was always evolving?
 

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Some confuse strategy with culture. Strategy is fluid. For example a top club might believe in the youth academy in a way that it keeps hiring the best coaches and it keeps throwing millions at it. However if the youth academy is filled with duds then those players won't make it as regular first teamers. If a top club has money then it, most likely, spend it. Culture however rarely changes and United's culture is clear. We're a working class club who respect hard work and tend to hate employees who are lazy or arrogant. We also love to give a young player a shot even if a big name signing is often a safer shot. That doesn't mean that we don't sign ready made players (strategy) but think about it. Whom do you remember most fondly? signing Ronaldo/Rooney/Rio/Ole' or signing JSV's/Di Maria's/Pogba's/Ibra's one?

Our culture is clear. Its why Pogba whose a talented big name signing player who happens to be a youth academy product finds it so hard to enter the fans hearts as opposed to a hard working 'Johnny Foreigner' like Ji Sung Park
The thing is I don't think this is unique. I'm not sure any fan would enjoy watching a team of lazy players, and I don't think owners or managers will like it either. It would be disastrous to any club.

In terms of having a club culture, yes, but that should be every club's culture. It should really be a football club's culture than just a Manutd one. Any team that fails to implement it is failing at that time.

Man City will have the same thing; they will like Aguero and David Silva far more than Robinho (I think he used to miss training or maybe I'm making that up). Not sure what their thoughts are on Toure after the birthday cake fiasco.
 

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There are probably loads in the lower leagues; it is just logical. They don't have the money to rely on signings like us.

Whether they played that number of games is pretty irrelevant because most of them would lose their best players to bigger clubs. It is also pretty irrelevant whether they are at the level of the best (but there are plenty of them); in the end, it is about whether teams promote youth players.

In the PL -

West Ham - Rio Ferdinand, Frank Lampard, Michael Carrick, Joe Cole

Southampton - Walcott, Bale, Le Tissier, Bridge, Shaw,

Liverpool promotes quite a lot - Alexander-Arnold, Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, Owen, McManamman, Sterling (may have only been two seasons, but he was there), Matteo

There will be plenty more through history for each club. I don't think Manutd are somehow unique in this, and they never have been.
I don’t think anything is unique about where players come from. Football clubs are football clubs....what is unique is having academy players in every match day squad for 80plus years and generating players tiers above the players you mentioned.

aside from this I’m not convinced you’re a United fan. I think you’re a wum
 

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Don't watch then.

Ole's not an idiot. First and foremost is winning games (or not losing).. we haven't got the players to play massively attacking football AND be pretty certain of a positive result.

Fergies teams (mainly) played good football because we had the players to do so AND win.

If we can get a top CH and/or a top Def Mid and Haaland, we'd be a different team. Capable of trusting the defence/Def Mid more and pushing up... until then, it's more cautionary.
Ole's not an attacking manager. First and foremost for him is not losing games.. we haven't got the manager to play massively attacking football AND be pretty certain of a positive result.

I cringe at the thought of people associating Sir Alex Ferguson with Ole. Uhh.

There you go.
 

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What are you talking about? He was a Liverpool fan who played for us and spent the majority of his United career as a back-up player. You use Pep as an example but he has won City countless trophies and is certain to add to that. I am sure they would much rather that than have Shaun Goater or Paul Dickov in charge because they know "the City way" it's all a load of bollocks. I don't care that Ole played for us, his club legacy is seperate from his managerial ability, and he isn't good enough. We have way too much sentiment as a fan base, Gary Neville said this, it's about getting the best in class. We got van Gaal 15 years past his prime, we got Mourinho 5 years past his, we need a top manager who is currently in his prime if we want to move forward. This obsession with sentiment and "United way" is doing nothing forward. We will not win anything with this philosophy.
So basically all you care about is Utd winning trophies. Got it.

For some of us, love for the club goes a little beyond trophies.
 

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The thing is I don't think this is unique. I'm not sure any fan would enjoy watching a team of lazy players, and I don't think owners or managers will like it either. It would be disastrous to any club.

In terms of having a club culture, yes, but that should be every club's culture. It should really be a football club's culture than just a Manutd one. Any team that fails to implement it is failing at that time.

Man City will have the same thing; they will like Aguero and David Silva far more than Robinho (I think he used to miss training or maybe I'm making that up). Not sure what their thoughts are on Toure after the birthday cake fiasco.
Everyone appreciate a hardworking player but we do take it to extremes. Take Pogba as an example. His work rate remained unchanged throughout time but while Juventus are more then willing to close an eye to it because its balanced with some real talent. We don't do that. That's quite striking considering that Juventus are far less patient with players and far more ruthless then we are. This is quite common. Players like ADM and Veron who had thrived with clubs with far more hostile fans then us had somehow failed to connect with the fans. The answer to that is what was perceived as lack of commitment.

I can't think of many clubs who celebrates hardworking players like we do. I mean, we've had the likes of Quinton Fortune and Philip Neville being called legends on MUTV.
 

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So basically all you care about is Utd winning trophies. Got it.

For some of us, love for the club goes a little beyond trophies.
You do realise you're sounding like a cult member? We're not a religion or cult, we're a football club. You're distorting from the basic point of sport, which is to win isn't it?
 
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