They average 2 deaths per day. The worst case scenario is probably that this decision costs 10 lives and 1 week longer restrictions. But given the better efficacy of Pfizer compared to AZ, it will actually probably save lives.
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Nope. They are not safe. Obviously, they are far far safer than covid, but they are also killing people. At this stage, this is hardly something up to debate.
Obviously, I would still be glad to getone if offered, but I cannot blame people who refuse to get it cause there is a chance (though tiny) that it might kill you.
Fully agreed. At least make it age-restricted like many other countries do, or perhaps even make it available on a voluntary basis.
I think in general any alternative costs are being totally ignored in the public debate in Denmark. Not only the economic costs, which are huge, but also the adverse health effects of having the country locked down - mental health issues from being alone or losing jobs, people not getting checked up for other serious ailments, kids not getting proper education, etc. It is quite frustrating. We have now had around 200 people hospitalized with covid for at least two months, yet it is not deemed appropriate to accelerate opening in any way, even though the projections said it would be 800 by now.
@Massive Spanner. Just to show we’re not complete outliers here. We’ve only just dipped below 200 in hospital for the first time today and we have half the population of Denmark.
Denmark 5.8m, Ireland 5.0m.
Half? You need to get your geography in order there Pogue! Does sound very similar to us though, which is surprising given their far superior health service.
Gah! I’m sure I saw 11m mentioned a few posts back. Makes no difference re the point being made anyway.
Plus their vaccines per capita is consistently at the top end for the EU and they have electronic health records which has made it much easier/quicker to identify and vaccinate the most vulnerable.
Can understand the confusion - when we play you in the qualifiers, it usually looks like we have twice as many people to pick from
Then why are you picking players with Irish surnames, dammit?!Can understand the confusion - when we play you in the qualifiers, it usually looks like we have twice as many people to pick from
Fecking Finns are just as bad.
In fairness, you probably do. Fecking GAA.Can understand the confusion - when we play you in the qualifiers, it usually looks like we have twice as many people to pick from
Also true.
That is understandable.
But what is not understood is whether there is a causal link between those blood clots and the AZ vaccines. And that is not me saying that. That is the official view of the WHO.
And a risk factor of about 1/1,000,000 is significantly higher than the covid death rate.
According to EPA, there is. It also cannot be a coincidence, that there have not been death clouts that resulted in. fatalities to those who got Pfizer, but there are dozens dead to those that get AZ.
Of course, a chance of 1 in a million dying is far smaller than getting covid and dying, and it is why I wouldn't hesitate to get AZ vaccine. But I also understand the scepticism towards it.
Well, for decades we have wanted to emulate the Swedes and get our own exotic, Zlatan-like player on the national team. I guess we finally had to settle for a hard-working Irish midfielder.
Denmark against the rest of the world.
Denmark based the decision on a 40,000:1 risk of serious blood clotting that could result in paralysis or death (based on Danish and Norwegian data). That is a serious risk to place on otherwise healthy young people that have very small risk of both getting (in Denmark) or dying from Covid. If the remaining 4 million Danes would be vaccinated with AZ 100 people would at least get a serious blood clot.
Since a large part of the at-risk population has been vaccinated I understand that decision (based on the luxury position Denmark is in).
Of course, this luxury position could (and should IMO) be used to open up more, but I don’t think the ban is outlandish.
I hope we donate the vaccines we have to that vaccine alliance for poor countries where they would save way more lives.
Since a large part of the at-risk population has been vaccinated I understand that decision (based on the luxury position Denmark is in).
Of course, this luxury position could (and should IMO) be used to open up more, but I don’t think the ban is outlandish.
I hope we donate the vaccines we have to that vaccine alliance for poor countries where they would save way more lives.
I'd take any vaccine, any. Please just offer me it.
It could be a coincidence but it's very unlikely.
Seems to be something linked with the AZ and J&J vaccine technology. mRNA vaccines unaffected.
The level of detail and transparency from this compared to European countries is impressive.
I also have no idea how I missed the Pareene tweet in my timeline given whom I follow.
yup, the FDA hearing for emergency authorisation for the pfizer vaccine (and presumably the others) was also broadcast live.The level of detail and transparency from this compared to European countries is impressive.
I also have no idea how I missed the Pareene tweet in my timeline given whom I follow.
Are those pfizers free? Or at least on a not for profit level priced?
Somehow someone is paying for the vacinnes.
Someone know how much they're charging the goverments for each dose?
Dunno are trial research papers released for Russian vaccine, think huge majority of Europe is still not open for it. Guess we accepted this deal to have something to fall back on in case vaccine provision drops off, while Russia has some different angle for it.
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Looks like your dad isn’t the only 70+ year old in Ireland still waiting anyway. From talking to GP friends seems to be big variation in number of elderly patients between practices. The ones with the biggest numbers are taking the longest to tick them all off.
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Impressive.
Flaming AZ again - now they're making women faint.
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Any way we can get all the other companies to stop what they’re doing and use all their resources to just manufacture the Pfizer vaccine?
If only
Yeah not surprising, to be expected I guess.
Crazy that the government can try claim that all over 70's are done and open the portal, but not unexpected either.
Though I guess it's probably right to open the portal, for GP's that have done all their over 70's I guess.
Not really. It's not just the bioreactors, though they're in shortage, it's all that fancy technology around moving it from the reactor into vials and its ultra cold handling systems - plus some specialised raw materials, source chemicals that are in shortage. Very long lead times on some components and very specialised. Pfizer are doing a great job of ramping up though - they've added a lot of new capacity, way beyond what they were originally preparing.
If Novavax turns out to be safer that the adenovirus types, it could be made on the AZ/J&J lines. But that's a big if. Adverse reactions that affect 1:100,000 of a particular age category are likely to take millions of doses to show up.
Curevac may be different again. That's another mRNA type but stable at fridge temperatures. If that gets through its trials (and its first "millions of doses") safely it may be a more practical product both to ramp up and to distribute globally.
All things for the future though - you're looking at Q4 (and maybe vaccines modified for new variants) before big production capacity can be moved.
That would be a really bad idea globally though. Getting a vaccine at way less than freezer temperatures to a remote village in the middle of the Himalayas is just not a viable option unfortunately. Until we have Phizer like attributes in vaccines which can be held at room temperature (possibly fridge temps at a stretch) there's going to be a need for the other ones to get truly on top of this worldwide.
Good point.
More like if only Pfizer could manufacture their vaccine which doesn't need to be kept at -70C so that those countries who are not able to maintain that very low temperature can take advantage of it.
Can I get some information here from people who know their stuff about vaccines, a mate told me that he was told that he has to wait at least for 6 months from the February before getting a vaccine because he has natural antibodies from having COVID in that time and because of that vaccine will not be working and will just "die" inside.
But that sounds pretty unbelievable to me, searching on google I have found that you can just add extra layer of protection on top of natural antibodies and it's all fine.
I am pretty sure the first info is false but want to be sure as I wanted to vaccinate soonish but had COVID in January (I didn't test for antibodies though), cheers!
But that sounds pretty unbelievable to me, searching on google I have found that you can just add extra layer of protection on top of natural antibodies and it's all fine.
I am pretty sure the first info is false but want to be sure as I wanted to vaccinate soonish but had COVID in January (I didn't test for antibodies though), cheers!
Pretty sure it’s rubbish, I was asked if I’d been positive or had symptoms in the last 2 weeks before mine but that was it.
We weren't asked at all, and as most people, well a lot anyway, are asymptomatic it would only have a limited effect anyway, they just wouldn't know.
Pfizer applied for authorization in India back in Jan.. was rejected.. Not desi enough.
The individual immune response varies but generally speaking, all of the vaccines used in the west* produce a stronger immune response than from getting covid itself. So the vaccines provide "more" protection than what you have currently. What you've essentially gotten is equivalent to the first dose of a vaccine - maybe slightly stronger - but not the second. As a result, people who've had covid get essentially the same level of protection from vaccine dose 1 that non-covid people get from 2, and there is some evidence to suggest that vaccine dose 2 is kind of redundant for you - that's the closest reality to what your mate's describing. But dose 1 at the very least makes a big difference, both in the volume of antibodies (can be as much as doubled from the vaccine) and it is highly likely it will produce a longer-lasting immune response.
*one of the Chinese ones didn't in phase 3 trials, think that's the only exception but not sure about some of the other ones produced for domestic consumption in e.g. India
Yea we had a doctor talking to us yesterday at quarterly bullshit meeting, he was saying those with antibodies already would be the most protected when they get the vaccine.