The "value in the market" thread - (CB, CDM, RW, ST, Backup RB)

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The general consensus on the forum is that ideally (excluding departures) this squad could do with new acquisitions in the the following positions: CB, CDM, RW, ST, RB

I agree with that view.

I do however find it disheartening that we as fans continuously have to discuss which holes in our squad need to be strengthened right away, and which areas we can get away with not signing anyone. It frustrates me that despite our supposedly fantastic scouting department, with their "500 player in each position lists", time and time again we just go for well known/obvious signings. I understand the logic in this but it does seem like the club as a whole is not bold/creative enough in our recruitment.

It would be great if we could pick ourselves up a player or two to fix some of our positions of need without having to break the bank like other Premier League clubs do, go out and make our own obscure signings like Raphina/Neto (RW), Soyuncu/Fofana (CB), Matty Cash (RB). These are just a few examples of great value signings but there are quite a few, Leicester in particular are fantastic at finding amazing value for money. If we could make similar clever signings, in addition to some bigger names obviously, then that would clearly be the most optimal and quickest way of actually having a squad with enough depth and quality to compete on each front.

I appreciate with Dan James/Diallo/Pellistri we have adopted this approach, but it still seems to me we don't do this enough. Does anyone think our new structure will bring about this change and think we might see a few more of these type of signings this summer? I'd like to think our scouts can find us some good value and our trusted in their judgements a bit more than they have been in recent years.

I'm interested to hear everyone else's thoughts on this and would welcome some suggestions on good targets that could strenghten our team without us having to splurge mega money on transfer fees to attain them :D
 

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Just another thread. Mate - just search for similar threads before you start anything new.
 

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  1. only want to buy the most expensive proven players: like Sancho, Pogba, Maguire, Haarland, ...
  2. are happy with mid-table players like: Milenkovic, White, Matheus Pereira, Cantwell, ...
Both sets of fans are wrong. United need to build a squad. Partly like we were doing in 2020 when we bought Diallo, Fernandes, Pellistri, van der Beek, Telles. All quality players. Unfortunately we've only seen one of them so far. We may also need to get a manager who understands it's his job to build a squad as well. Building a squad will never involve buying mid-table quality players unless there's a plan to move them along too, when they fail to deliver. I'm not saying never buy a Schneiderlin, or a Darmian. But have a plan if it all goes wrong. To ship them out. Do not leave them rotting at OT with no intention of playing them. SAF brought in many punts. But he rarely kept them for more than a year or two; when they didn't cut it. Chelsea are a good example of a club building a squad. Likewise City. Leicester came from nowhere by building. The days when Mourinho could splash £300 million in a year to buy a league are done. As I see it: building a squad means concentrating on youth development; but starting with the very best young players. It's clearly the best way to get value in the market. It's also never ending: United may lose 5 or more senior players this summer. Management should always be one step ahead identifying who they need to replace. How we let Herrera go without replacing him is a wonder.
 

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United fan base is split 50:50 between fans who:
  1. only want to buy the most expensive proven players: like Sancho, Pogba, Maguire, Haarland, ...
  2. are happy with mid-table players like: Milenkovic, White, Matheus Pereira, Cantwell, ...
Both sets of fans are wrong. United need to build a squad. Partly like we were doing in 2020 when we bought Diallo, Fernandes, Pellistri, van der Beek, Telles. All quality players. Unfortunately we've only seen one of them so far. We may also need to get a manager who understands it's his job to build a squad as well. Building a squad will never involve buying mid-table quality players unless there's a plan to move them along too, when they fail to deliver. I'm not saying never buy a Schneiderlin, or a Darmian. But have a plan if it all goes wrong. To ship them out. Do not leave them rotting at OT with no intention of playing them. SAF brought in many punts. But he rarely kept them for more than a year or two; when they didn't cut it. Chelsea are a good example of a club building a squad. Likewise City. Leicester came from nowhere by building. The days when Mourinho could splash £300 million in a year to buy a league are done. As I see it: building a squad means concentrating on youth development; but starting with the very best young players. It's clearly the best way to get value in the market. It's also never ending: United may lose 5 or more senior players this summer. Management should always be one step ahead identifying who they need to replace. How we let Herrera go without replacing him is a wonder.
Must admit, totally confused by this post. All our fans are wrong with their suggested transfer approach?

Are you saying we should invest in youth and that’s how to build a squad?

Maybe we should buy the next Messi?
 

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PSG showed how important the forward line is. Our defence and midfield is better than PSG but their forward line is world class and that is giving them an upper hand even against Bayern.

We should put all money towards a forward and some on a winger. Rest are less important and can be value signings or just ignored.
 

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United fan base is split 50:50 between fans who:
  1. only want to buy the most expensive proven players: like Sancho, Pogba, Maguire, Haarland, ...
  2. are happy with mid-table players like: Milenkovic, White, Matheus Pereira, Cantwell, ...
Both sets of fans are wrong. United need to build a squad. Partly like we were doing in 2020 when we bought Diallo, Fernandes, Pellistri, van der Beek, Telles. All quality players. Unfortunately we've only seen one of them so far. We may also need to get a manager who understands it's his job to build a squad as well. Building a squad will never involve buying mid-table quality players unless there's a plan to move them along too, when they fail to deliver. I'm not saying never buy a Schneiderlin, or a Darmian. But have a plan if it all goes wrong. To ship them out. Do not leave them rotting at OT with no intention of playing them. SAF brought in many punts. But he rarely kept them for more than a year or two; when they didn't cut it. Chelsea are a good example of a club building a squad. Likewise City. Leicester came from nowhere by building. The days when Mourinho could splash £300 million in a year to buy a league are done. As I see it: building a squad means concentrating on youth development; but starting with the very best young players. It's clearly the best way to get value in the market. It's also never ending: United may lose 5 or more senior players this summer. Management should always be one step ahead identifying who they need to replace. How we let Herrera go without replacing him is a wonder.
That’s a long and contradictory post that says very little while dismissing an entire fan base.

We don’t need more squad players, we need genuine quality to enhance the first XI this summer. The existing players these new additions replace in the team will then assume the role of squad options.
 

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United fan base is split 50:50 between fans who:
  1. only want to buy the most expensive proven players: like Sancho, Pogba, Maguire, Haarland, ...
  2. are happy with mid-table players like: Milenkovic, White, Matheus Pereira, Cantwell, ...
Both sets of fans are wrong. United need to build a squad. Partly like we were doing in 2020 when we bought Diallo, Fernandes, Pellistri, van der Beek, Telles. All quality players. Unfortunately we've only seen one of them so far. We may also need to get a manager who understands it's his job to build a squad as well. Building a squad will never involve buying mid-table quality players unless there's a plan to move them along too, when they fail to deliver. I'm not saying never buy a Schneiderlin, or a Darmian. But have a plan if it all goes wrong. To ship them out. Do not leave them rotting at OT with no intention of playing them. SAF brought in many punts. But he rarely kept them for more than a year or two; when they didn't cut it. Chelsea are a good example of a club building a squad. Likewise City. Leicester came from nowhere by building. The days when Mourinho could splash £300 million in a year to buy a league are done. As I see it: building a squad means concentrating on youth development; but starting with the very best young players. It's clearly the best way to get value in the market. It's also never ending: United may lose 5 or more senior players this summer. Management should always be one step ahead identifying who they need to replace. How we let Herrera go without replacing him is a wonder.
Felt like it all slowly started to unravel when you used Chelsea as a good example of building a squad.
 

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United fan base is split 50:50 between fans who:
  1. only want to buy the most expensive proven players: like Sancho, Pogba, Maguire, Haarland, ...
  2. are happy with mid-table players like: Milenkovic, White, Matheus Pereira, Cantwell, ...
Based on which poll? I think the vast majority want top class players in few positions so that we can compete for the title next time.

Who is even discussing buying mid table players? We have enough of those.
 

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DR- Aarons
DC- Andersen
DMC - White
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AC Milan​
Gianluigi Donnarumma​
GK​
FREE. Excellent. High ceiling, starter
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Lyon​
Memphis Depay​
CF​
FREE. Cavani replacement, starter
Jun 22​
Real Madrid​
Raphael Varane​
CB​
P/T exchange for Pogba. Bailly replacement, starter.​
Jun 23​
Ajax​
Ryan Gravenberch​
DCM​
Matic replacement, starter. Excellent. High ceiling.​
Jun 25​
Sporting​
Nuno Mendes​
LB​
Excellent. High ceiling.​
Jun 22​
Rapid Vienna​
Yusuf Demir​
AM​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
Jun 23​
Genk​
Maarten Vandevoordt​
GK​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
Sep 25​
Palmeiras​
Gabriel Veron​
CF​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
 
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I'm ok with AWB and Dalot with Laird/williams/Axel as emergency backup for RB.

Would love Bissouma here.

We've spent 100 mil on players who have barely played this year so I have no clue what the plan is in the summer. Just pray these incompetent buffoons get lucky.
 

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If that's our transfer window I would cry. It looks like something Everton would buy.
The thread is value for money and those players in my opinion are decent. They would provide the competition for places we need. I’d take that list along with a couple of marquee signings.
 

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The only position where I would look at value in the market is the back up for AWB. The rest are first 11 requirement and you do not surpass City and become CL contenders by using Leicesters transfer model. Leicester, Dortmund are doing a good job in their recruitment, but it doesn't get them close to where we want to be, winning titles and CLs.

You can get a bit lucky at some point with some cheaper players, but for the most part teams that dominate tend to have cost a lot.
 

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FREE. Excellent. High ceiling, starter
Jun 21
Lyon​
Memphis Depay​
CF​
FREE. Cavani replacement, starter
Jun 22​
Real Madrid​
Raphael Varane​
CB​
P/T exchange for Pogba. Bailly replacement, starter.​
Jun 23​
Ajax​
Ryan Gravenberch​
DCM​
Matic replacement, starter. Excellent. High ceiling.​
Jun 25​
Sporting​
Nuno Mendes​
LB​
Excellent. High ceiling.​
Jun 22​
Rapid Vienna​
Yusuf Demir​
AM​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
Jun 23​
Genk​
Maarten Vandevoordt​
GK​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
Sep 25​
Palmeiras​
Gabriel Veron​
CF​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
I didn't realise you could export spreadsheets straight out of FM.
 

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Cynical, business oriented. Some bad decisions like selling De Bruyne; but at least they has him on their books to sell!
I agree its cynical and business oriented, but I don't think they've done a particular good job at building a squad. They do move people on quickly though - albeit loan or sale.
 

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The only position where I would look at value in the market is the back up for AWB. The rest are first 11 requirement and you do not surpass City and become CL contenders by using Leicesters transfer model. Leicester, Dortmund are doing a good job in their recruitment, but it doesn't get them close to where we want to be, winning titles and CLs.

You can get a bit lucky at some point with some cheaper players, but for the most part teams that dominate tend to have cost a lot.
Agreed. I stated as much in the OP:

These are just a few examples of great value signings but there are quite a few, Leicester in particular are fantastic at finding amazing value for money. If we could make similar clever signings, in addition to some bigger names obviously, then that would clearly be the most optimal and quickest way of actually having a squad with enough depth and quality to compete on each front.
Clearly big money signings are going to be necessary to fully get back to the top I wouldn't dispute that for one minute.

Ultimately, my big hope following John Murtough being appointed as DOF is that our recruitment becomes more intelligent than it has been in the past. Because I think we can all admit, there's quite an awful lot of room for improvement.
 

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If there ever was a time there truly is value in market, it's now. There are so many clubs out there who are desperate to offload their most prized assets because of their financial situation. The english clubs can manage quite ok and are not desperate to sell, but several German clubs, a lot of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese clubs desperately need money to stay afloat so if we have money available this is the time to use them - and then we can balance the books next year when countries have opened up again and there are more money in the game.

If I had been OGS, I would have told the board - give me a net spend of £150 million this summer and I will accept a low net spend next summer. And yes I know the board might think - but what happens if we have to let OGS go and the new manager wont have any money to spend next summer ? I don't see a problem, we have a squad that will be good enough for any manager and players to sell to raise cash.

£150 mill net spend - offload 5-6 players - or use them in swap deals - Bailly, Williams, V.d.Beek, Amad (loan), Martial, DDG and Lingard. In reality we have £300 million to sign players for. I would go to Dortmund and tell them that they can pick any 2 players from Lingard, Martial and v.d Beek (or Amad on loan for 1 year) and we offer £30-50 million. We find the defender we want - I am not sure who my preferred choice would be but players like Torres, Kounde and Konate would guaranteed all be available for under £50 million - close to half that if they want Bailly in return.

So in reality - we could swap Martial, v.d Beek and Bailly + 60-70 million for Haaland and the central defender we want.We can sell Lingard (and in my opinion Williams for £15 mill) and we still have over £100 million to sign a new back-up goalkeeper, central midfielder and a winger

If OGS is backed in this transfer window - we can really get the team he wants and we will fight for the title next year.
 

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If there ever was a time there truly is value in market, it's now. There are so many clubs out there who are desperate to offload their most prized assets because of their financial situation. The english clubs can manage quite ok and are not desperate to sell, but several German clubs, a lot of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese clubs desperately need money to stay afloat so if we have money available this is the time to use them - and then we can balance the books next year when countries have opened up again and there are more money in the game.
How do you know that English clubs "can manage quite ok and are not desperate to sell, but several German clubs, a lot of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese clubs desperately need money to stay afloat"? Have you gone through their latest year-end financial statements? Most clubs in most countries have taken advantage of low-interest loans provided by their governments and looking at how things are going in the Premier League and Championship, smaller teams are generally in a better health financially than bigger clubs, mostly due to lower wage budgets (which is the biggest piece of their expenses).

Overall, it feels you are making a bold statement based on pure assumptions and no facts.

If I had been OGS, I would have told the board - give me a net spend of £150 million this summer and I will accept a low net spend next summer. And yes I know the board might think - but what happens if we have to let OGS go and the new manager wont have any money to spend next summer ? I don't see a problem, we have a squad that will be good enough for any manager and players to sell to raise cash.
I agree with such an approach, however, would Ole commit to not being able to make transfers next year? This is a very, very risky move. And even if he gets all his targets this summer, who knows if they will work out? If they don't and he has limited his ability to buy next year, then what?

£150 mill net spend - offload 5-6 players - or use them in swap deals - Bailly, Williams, V.d.Beek, Amad (loan), Martial, DDG and Lingard. In reality we have £300 million to sign players for. I would go to Dortmund and tell them that they can pick any 2 players from Lingard, Martial and v.d Beek (or Amad on loan for 1 year) and we offer £30-50 million. We find the defender we want - I am not sure who my preferred choice would be but players like Torres, Kounde and Konate would guaranteed all be available for under £50 million - close to half that if they want Bailly in return.
Martial and De Gea are on massive wages, very difficult to offload without the players accepting a paycut (not happening). Bailly is a fitness liability and is on £75k/week, can't see how Villareal, Sevilla or Leipzig could ever afford him. Donny is not going to be sold. He is adapting to his new team and league and will be a key part of the squad next season. I don't get why are people having a hard time understanding that. I really doubt we will loan out Amad but it wouldn't be the biggest surprise in the world, I guess. I wouldn't bet on that though.

So that leaves potentially Williams and Lingard. I think Williams has a future at Manchester United and unless he wants guaranteed first-team football, I would say a loan for him, at best. So, let's say we sell De Gea somehow (probably we would need to accept very low transfer fee or subsidise his wages for the remainder of his current contract) and we get £30m for Lingard, that's nowhere near the £150m you expect us to accumulate from sales.

The only scenario when we would even consider selling Martial is if we get Haaland (or another undisputed starter striker) and Martial decides he wants out.

So in reality - we could swap Martial, v.d Beek and Bailly + 60-70 million for Haaland and the central defender we want.We can sell Lingard (and in my opinion Williams for £15 mill) and we still have over £100 million to sign a new back-up goalkeeper, central midfielder and a winger

If OGS is backed in this transfer window - we can really get the team he wants and we will fight for the title next year.
Considering the wages of our players, how do you expect Dortmund to agree on a player + cash deal? That wouldn't work even in Football Manager.
 

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Matic replacement, starter. Excellent. High ceiling.​
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Excellent. High ceiling.​
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Rapid Vienna​
Yusuf Demir​
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Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
Jun 23​
Genk​
Maarten Vandevoordt​
GK​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
Sep 25​
Palmeiras​
Gabriel Veron​
CF​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
I admire your positivity but some of the above just doesn't make any sense.

Depay is going to Barcelona. That's just happening.
Donnaruma is going to ask for wages probably higher than De Gea's and is a Raiola client.
Varane would demand wages that will probably make him the highest paid defender in the world. I would call that the riskiest transfer in history considering we don't know how good or fit he will be for us.
If you are going to target a DCM from the Eredivisie, it would make a ton more sense to look at Teun Koopmeiners at AZ. Especially in the role that Matic plays.
Why would we buy another LB? Shaw is the best LB in England, probably top 5 in the world right now. And we just bought a back-up for him.
I can't comment on Demir and Vandevoordt but considering their positions, why would we spent any money on them? They wouldn't get even a minute of game time.
And when it comes to Veron, I very much doubt we will spend money on a striker coming from Brazil that would expect to play games from the start. There is high chance he won't adapt to the PL as easily and quickly as we would need him to and will become a bench warmer we've spent good money on.
 

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I admire your positivity but some of the above just doesn't make any sense.

Depay is going to Barcelona. That's just happening.
Donnaruma is going to ask for wages probably higher than De Gea's and is a Raiola client.
Still arguably better than either keeper we have.
Varane would demand wages that will probably make him the highest paid defender in the world. I would call that the riskiest transfer in history considering we don't know how good or fit he will be for us.
Varane is the one (in the list) I'm most circumspect about. I would personally get Koundé. I must've thought "Varane" because of Pogba swap. You got me there.
If you are going to target a DCM from the Eredivisie, it would make a ton more sense to look at Teun Koopmeiners at AZ. Especially in the role that Matic plays.
I didn't notice Koopmeiners when we beat AZ last season. Gravenberch has a higher ceiling; but I still think he'll do better at 18 than McFred. Bringing in a player from a weaker league I'd only look at young players. Koopmeiners is 23 now. I'd worry about his ability to step up to the intensity of the PL.

Why would we buy another LB? Shaw is the best LB in England, probably top 5 in the world right now. And we just bought a back-up for him.
To sell one of our LBs. It makes sense to have an older starter and younger understudy; rather than 2 players the same age for the same position. That way, one doesn't replace both at once.

I can't comment on Demir and Vandevoordt but considering their positions, why would we spent any money on them? They wouldn't get even a minute of game time.
I guess they go out on loan. Like what Real, PSG, Juventus, Chelsea, ... do.

And when it comes to Veron, I very much doubt we will spend money on a striker coming from Brazil that would expect to play games from the start. There is high chance he won't adapt to the PL as easily and quickly as we would need him to and will become a bench warmer we've spent good money on.
I ignored some of your points because, United's squad is not technically the best. Given I think United haven't a chance of gaining top honours next season, I'd build for the long-term: 2 seasons time.

You made good points, but how do you get a club like United back winning top honours?
 

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Still arguably better than either keeper we have.
Varane is the one (in the list) I'm most circumspect about. I would personally get Koundé. I must've thought "Varane" because of Pogba swap. You got me there.
I didn't notice Koopmeiners when we beat AZ last season. Gravenberch has a higher ceiling; but I still think he'll do better at 18 than McFred. Bringing in a player from a weaker league I'd only look at young players. Koopmeiners is 23 now. I'd worry about his ability to step up to the intensity of the PL.

To sell one of our LBs. It makes sense to have an older starter and younger understudy; rather than 2 players the same age for the same position. That way, one doesn't replace both at once.
Shaw is 25 and Alex Telles is 28. Mendes is 18 and won't come for anything less than £25m, I guess. I can't see us spending that kind of money for a third option at LB. And I can't see us selling either one of our current LBs. Why would we want to sell Shaw? And we just got Telles.

I guess they go out on loan. Like what Real, PSG, Juventus, Chelsea, ... do.
Maybe we could do deals like that in the best of times but definitely not right now. I can't imagine we have the funds to buy players that will go out on loan to be developed for later on. We are not a profitable business in the last 12 months after all.

I ignored some of your points because, United's squad is not technically the best. Given I think United haven't a chance of gaining top honours next season, I'd build for the long-term: 2 seasons time.

You made good points, but how do you get a club like United back winning top honours?
That's the million pound question, isn't it? :)

I would probably bank on 1 starter transfer and 1 or 2 for depth. Considering our situation and the market, I would probably go for depth in the French league (clubs there are struggling massively after not getting the new TV deal they wanted) and for the starter...if Haaland is available this summer, go all out for him. If not, then Sancho and maybe push for a Lingard + about £30m for Rice. If Rice is a no-go, and we don't want to use Lingard in an exchange deal with Leicester or Villa, I'd sell him and probably go for Bissouma or Koopmeiners (I like him and see a lot of Matic in him). But either way, I think we will not be able to solve all areas this summer. We will need summer 2022 too, for sure.
 

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Ruben Neves for £30m? There's definitely a rumour Wolves are happy to sell him for £30m which is a lot less than Rice would go for. Has experience, distribution, goals, is available, wants to move on, and is better than current United DMs. Picks up a few too many yellows for my liking, isn't the fastest (a quick CB is still needed). £30m is value in the market because - in normal times - they rate him at £45m! Looks like Wolves need the cash so P/E is off. Wolves seem to have a lot of DMs in their squad so, I guess, they think they'll not miss him too much.
 
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If there ever was a time there truly is value in market, it's now. There are so many clubs out there who are desperate to offload their most prized assets because of their financial situation. The english clubs can manage quite ok and are not desperate to sell, but several German clubs, a lot of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese clubs desperately need money to stay afloat so if we have money available this is the time to use them - and then we can balance the books next year when countries have opened up again and there are more money in the game.

If I had been OGS, I would have told the board - give me a net spend of £150 million this summer and I will accept a low net spend next summer. And yes I know the board might think - but what happens if we have to let OGS go and the new manager wont have any money to spend next summer ? I don't see a problem, we have a squad that will be good enough for any manager and players to sell to raise cash.

£150 mill net spend - offload 5-6 players - or use them in swap deals - Bailly, Williams, V.d.Beek, Amad (loan), Martial, DDG and Lingard. In reality we have £300 million to sign players for. I would go to Dortmund and tell them that they can pick any 2 players from Lingard, Martial and v.d Beek (or Amad on loan for 1 year) and we offer £30-50 million. We find the defender we want - I am not sure who my preferred choice would be but players like Torres, Kounde and Konate would guaranteed all be available for under £50 million - close to half that if they want Bailly in return.

So in reality - we could swap Martial, v.d Beek and Bailly + 60-70 million for Haaland and the central defender we want.We can sell Lingard (and in my opinion Williams for £15 mill) and we still have over £100 million to sign a new back-up goalkeeper, central midfielder and a winger

If OGS is backed in this transfer window - we can really get the team he wants and we will fight for the title next year.
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CB: Jonny Evans
RB: Ritchie De Laet
RW: Gabriel Obertan
ST: Chicharito

Value in the market :drool:
 

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Andrea Belotti. Striker. Age: 27, Club captain at Torino. Contract till: June 2022. TransferMarkt list him at £36. At his peak now. Quick, shoots with either foot, clever, high work rate (to be expected from an ex-midfielder), aerial threat, good linkup. The "complete striker". Can play as centre-forward or second striker. Cheeky bid of £20m, rising to £30m?
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I liked Belotti during his breakout season and he looked like a great prospect but never really kicked on. Probably not prolific enough for what we need, but he’s class on fifa.
 

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CB United need a fresh to squad
CDM United need a fresh to squad perhaps Soumare/otherwiser
RW United have James/Amad/Pellistri and if we sell Mata United need to buy a fresh RW
ST Dybala
RB Mengi enough enough
 
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CB United need a fresh to squad
CDM United need a fresh to squad perhaps Soumare/otherwiser
RW United have James/Amad/Pellistri if we don't sell Mata United don't need a fresh RW
ST Will Dybala
RB Wan Bissaka and Mengi enough enough
RB Wan Bissaka and Mengi enough enough. Lairdshould be back next season
 

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Our squad is now at a stage where bargain basement signings wont cut it. 1 WC player will add more value than 4 bargain basements, unless we unearth a Kante or something like that.
 

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Adding some cheap names

CB Connor Goldson, Jonathan Tah
CDM Teun Koopmeiners
RW Memphis Depay
ST Odsonne Edouard
RB Why would we need that, Hans Hateboer, James Tavernier
 

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Our squad is now at a stage where bargain basement signings wont cut it. 1 WC player will add more value than 4 bargain basements, unless we unearth a Kante or something like that.
Yeah you have absolutely nailed it there