The "value in the market" thread - (CB, CDM, RW, ST, Backup RB)

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Sell: Van de Beek 40 Mil
De Gea 35 Mil
Bailly 15 Mil
Pereira 10 Mil

Let go of Matic + Mata so we can free up approx 10-12 Mil p/a

Extend Cavani one more Year
Current Form Lingard + 15-20 Mil exchange for Declan Rice with WHU
Martial + 20 mio Exchange Sancho with Dortmund (Dortmund would have a good replacement and a new challenge for Martial)
Try and get Varane who has one more Year on his Contract for around 45-50 Mil.

Then we still have the Budget to go all out on Haaland or Kane

We'd have an absolute fantastic and fairly young Squad to challenge on all fronts:

-----------Henderson
AWB Varane maguire Shaw
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------Pogba---- fernades
Sancho haaland/kane rashford

Greenwood, Cavani, Lindelof, Telles, Amad, James, Fred, Mctominay,
Mengi, Tuanzebe, Garner, Dalot, Pellistri, Elanga, Mejbri, Shoretire
 

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So we would play with two offensive midfielders and not have any subs for them? I highly doubt Van de Beek will leave already, other than that it looks good
 

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Thought at the time even though short term Cavani was great value as a free transfer even with his age and injuries and despite no tplaying as many games a would have liked, he has generally been very good.
In terms of value in the market this summer, no deal on paper looks better than Romagnoli for a reported £25m odd, for me a genuine £70m+ defender approaching his peak.
I think the other value is in French league and France U21, a lot of very talented players: Aouar, Kamara, Camavinga, Ikone, Konate, Gouiri, Soumare, Thuram, even Edouard though he has bene poor this year. England have a lot of excellent young players coming through as well as still pretty young players like Grealish, Calvert-Lewin, Rice but I think the french are equally as talented and majority of them are probably £30-40m players as opposed to £70-80m premiership fees for the top ones. We havealready seen Nouri go to Wolves and Fofana to Leicester with successful seasons for young players and they are struggling to get games for the U21s. S much as Id love us to sign the like sof Rice, Haaland, Kane, Calvert-Lewin, Grealish, Sancho etc, none of the expected fees represent great value in comparison, and no chance we can sign 3/4 of those players in one window, maybe one of them and thats it
 

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Our squad is now at a stage where bargain basement signings wont cut it. 1 WC player will add more value than 4 bargain basements, unless we unearth a Kante or something like that.
We will never get a Kante if we don’t take the risk in the first place and most of all even if we take the risk and then only give the player a few games then we will never really know how good he can be. We’ve got to trust the scouts who surely will be at the cutting edge when it comes to getting the most value for the club over x amount of years. If they think a player worth 20 million can do a job well then that’s totally fair enough as it allows the big money to be used elsewhere in the team
 

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We will never get a Kante if we don’t take the risk in the first place and most of all even if we take the risk and then only give the player a few games then we will never really know how good he can be. We’ve got to trust the scouts who surely will be at the cutting edge when it comes to getting the most value for the club over x amount of years. If they think a player worth 20 million can do a job well then that’s totally fair enough as it allows the big money to be used elsewhere in the team
Very true, we are going down that route both with our youth squad signings and the likes of Pellestri and Amad. Kante is very much an exception though as not many youngsters unknown done as well as he did.......and he wasnt even a youngster, wasnt he in his mid 20s pretty much when they signed him? I think the problem is giving games to very young players as hardly any are ready to step straight in, especially at the bigger clubs. We are one of the best at doing it with homegrown players. The only recent criticism I would make is we are signing talented 16-18year old that need developing to even get close to the squad 99.9% of the time as opposed to 20-21year olds, but appreciate that with scouting networks far more global and competitive, it is very difficult to get quality ones for reasonable fees anyway
 
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Adding some cheap names

CB Connor Goldson, Jonathan Tah
CDM Teun Koopmeiners
RW Memphis Depay
ST Odsonne Edouard
RB Why would we need that, Hans Hateboer, James Tavernier
None of those players would improve us & for the money we’d pay to get them all we could just get Haaland. SPL level is probably championship level. Some of the players listed wouldn’t even get into Fulham’s team.
 

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I don't know if it was genuine, but if Neves is genuinely available for 30m, how can that now be a bargain? And Neto too.
 

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Our squad is now at a stage where bargain basement signings wont cut it. 1 WC player will add more value than 4 bargain basements, unless we unearth a Kante or something like that.
I disagree to an extent. I dont think its about prices but getting the right players. Looking at our history of transfers the last 4/5years they have mainly been big money signings and percentage wise I would say less of them have been successful than the bargain ones we have made. Of the huge fees we have paid and near record transfers, you would probably hav eto go back to Fergies glory days buying British players for record fees pretty much back to Rooney for hugely successful value ones. I do think there are a few British players now that are worthy of big money fees....but at the same time, though not proven in our League there are also lots of players far cheaper around Europe that are just as talented.

Personally I just think we have generally been signing the wrong players a lot for several years. Though we havent signed nearly enough players under Ole in my opinion, on the whole, i have been far happier with the profile of player he is buying compared to other managers post Ferguson. I just hope we sign four this summer cb, cm, rw, cf and that irrespective of fee they are the right players and are quality. Will be a lot of competition I think this summer in the market even though clubs dont have a lot of money. But I would be disappointed if we dont make some good signings as I think there are so many good player spotentially available for the majority of those positions that could improve us both expensive and relatively cheaply...obviously be competition and reluctance to sell, but for example:

Romagnoli, Kamara, Gouiri, Saint-Maxim - £120-130m - Not saying I would sign all of these or they would make us title contenders....but I think we would be significantly improved - Of course spending the same fee on a Haaland or Kane signifcantly improves us up front, but does tht oen signing close the gap on CIty when we still have several areas that can be improved a lot, think we need a balance
 
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The general consensus on the forum is that ideally (excluding departures) this squad could do with new acquisitions in the the following positions: CB, CDM, RW, ST, RB

I agree with that view.

I do however find it disheartening that we as fans continuously have to discuss which holes in our squad need to be strengthened right away, and which areas we can get away with not signing anyone. It frustrates me that despite our supposedly fantastic scouting department, with their "500 player in each position lists", time and time again we just go for well known/obvious signings. I understand the logic in this but it does seem like the club as a whole is not bold/creative enough in our recruitment.

It would be great if we could pick ourselves up a player or two to fix some of our positions of need without having to break the bank like other Premier League clubs do, go out and make our own obscure signings like Raphina/Neto (RW), Soyuncu/Fofana (CB), Matty Cash (RB). These are just a few examples of great value signings but there are quite a few, Leicester in particular are fantastic at finding amazing value for money. If we could make similar clever signings, in addition to some bigger names obviously, then that would clearly be the most optimal and quickest way of actually having a squad with enough depth and quality to compete on each front.

I appreciate with Dan James/Diallo/Pellistri we have adopted this approach, but it still seems to me we don't do this enough. Does anyone think our new structure will bring about this change and think we might see a few more of these type of signings this summer? I'd like to think our scouts can find us some good value and our trusted in their judgements a bit more than they have been in recent years.

I'm interested to hear everyone else's thoughts on this and would welcome some suggestions on good targets that could strenghten our team without us having to splurge mega money on transfer fees to attain them :D
I agree with lots of your post, but in my opinion its difficult to sign players for us. We have a lot of good young developing talents and a lot of good youth coming through, so i dont think we need any more players of that ilk. We need players who will make a difference right away and fill those holes else we cant really expect any leaps or bounds next year unless diallo suddenly develops and tears it up. We will have the same squad We dont want to be tomorrow FC like Arsenal were under Wenger with all the prospects but not the quality on the pitch here and now.

And theres some strange ideas out there on ‘scouting’. The idea that theres a reincarnation of rio ferdinand we could sign for £18 from the slovakian 2nd division is folly. Its not like there are players good enough to start for Man Utd out there that nobody knows about.

as you pointed out, its about finding those players that arent an absolute worldy when you sign them and kick on when they arrive to reach that next level.

we did try that approach previously but ended up with schneiderlin, darmian and blind etc so you can end up with total mediocrity for not inconsiderable money. Theres also less pressure on the likes of wolves villa and leicester and they sign these players and they develop. Soyuncu worked his way up into the leicester side for instance.

All in all, for me this summer i want to see us sign only players for the obvious holes in the first 11, if money allows for 1 or 2 of those so be it, its better than more prospects or searching for bargains and finding mediocrity or crud.
 

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I don't know if it was genuine, but if Neves is genuinely available for 30m, how can that now be a bargain? And Neto too.
Crazily £30m is a reasonabally cheap transfer now, when you look at players who have moved for that amount (of coruse are big players too that have). Wouldnt class it as a bargain but a relatively cheap fee for a top player....Fofana for instance cost Leicester that much and is worth twice that now. But Neto at £50m odd certainly isnt is it
 

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Very true, we are going down that route both with our youth squad signings and the likes of Pellestri and Amad. Kante is very much an exception though as not many youngsters unknown done as well as he did.......and he wasnt even a youngster, wasnt he in his mid 20s pretty much when they signed him? I think the problem is giving games to very young players as hardly any are ready to step straight in, especially at the bigger clubs. We are one of the best at doing it with homegrown players. The only recent criticism I would make is we are signing talented 16-18year old that need developing to even get close to the squad 99.9% of the time as opposed to 20-21year olds, but appreciate that with scouting networks far more global and competitive, it is very difficult to get quality ones for reasonable fees anyway
If we are going to keep picking up youth players with fairly big reputations I think it’s fairly likely we see some fairly high profile younger signings be unveiled and then go straight out on loan, like Pellistri, for a season or two. We can’t guarantee enough football to be able to develop every promising young player in the same measured way as say Greenwood or amad. I would also imagine the likes of Bellingham know we can promise them the world but then still hold them back and introduce them much slower over a season or 2 and the competition for places is harsh enough when Donny can’t get a start for love nor money. I reckon someone like Hannibal would already be playing some first team games at most other clubs. He’d definitely be getting some minutes for Monaco by now.
 

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The general consensus on the forum is that ideally (excluding departures) this squad could do with new acquisitions in the the following positions: CB, CDM, RW, ST, RB

I agree with that view.

I do however find it disheartening that we as fans continuously have to discuss which holes in our squad need to be strengthened right away, and which areas we can get away with not signing anyone. It frustrates me that despite our supposedly fantastic scouting department, with their "500 player in each position lists", time and time again we just go for well known/obvious signings. I understand the logic in this but it does seem like the club as a whole is not bold/creative enough in our recruitment.

It would be great if we could pick ourselves up a player or two to fix some of our positions of need without having to break the bank like other Premier League clubs do, go out and make our own obscure signings like Raphina/Neto (RW), Soyuncu/Fofana (CB), Matty Cash (RB). These are just a few examples of great value signings but there are quite a few, Leicester in particular are fantastic at finding amazing value for money. If we could make similar clever signings, in addition to some bigger names obviously, then that would clearly be the most optimal and quickest way of actually having a squad with enough depth and quality to compete on each front.

I appreciate with Dan James/Diallo/Pellistri we have adopted this approach, but it still seems to me we don't do this enough. Does anyone think our new structure will bring about this change and think we might see a few more of these type of signings this summer? I'd like to think our scouts can find us some good value and our trusted in their judgements a bit more than they have been in recent years.

I'm interested to hear everyone else's thoughts on this and would welcome some suggestions on good targets that could strenghten our team without us having to splurge mega money on transfer fees to attain them :D
Personally just dont understand the right back. Sure Bissaka still isnt great going forward but he is improving and his defending balls coming in from the right in the area, positionally needs a lot of improvement....but he is hardly injured and defensively apart from that is the best in the league for me, one on one especially. We also have Brandon WIlliams who is a good back up in my opinion and Ethan Laird to come back from loan. I guess Shaws improvement with Telles coming in may alter peoples opinions but I am happy with our full back options now, in fact both sides its pretty much the last positions squad wise we need to be improving.
I know th epoin tyou are trying to make with value signings....but apart from Matty Cash and maybe Rafina, I expect we would be lookign at fees of £50-80m for those other players with premiership prices, making clever signings of great value within our league I think is actually very difficult though I agree with th general sentiment you ar emaking as I think there is some great value in the market both in terms of cheaper fees in Europe for quality players and personally I think some of the big money fees are actually worthwhile within the premiership with certain players this summer. Everybody said Grealish was a ridiculous fee at £70m when we were first linke dlast year around January....it wasnt
 

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If we are going to keep picking up youth players with fairly big reputations I think it’s fairly likely we see some fairly high profile younger signings be unveiled and then go straight out on loan, like Pellistri, for a season or two. We can’t guarantee enough football to be able to develop every promising young player in the same measured way as say Greenwood or amad. I would also imagine the likes of Bellingham know we can promise them the world but then still hold them back and introduce them much slower over a season or 2 and the competition for places is harsh enough when Donny can’t get a start for love nor money. I reckon someone like Hannibal would already be playing some first team games at most other clubs. He’d definitely be getting some minutes for Monaco by now.
Completely agree, of course it is harder for a young talent to get games at a top club that is expected to compete for the biggest trophies than say Leicester City. We need to find a balance....but there are plenty of young players I think would get games for us. We are signing 17/18year olds with very little game time for there own clubs generally, look at Amad for example....an 18year old Camavinga for example would get game time for us in my opinion but we arent signing youngsters already playing for there clubs like Rooney are we, we are signing those close to breaking through that are veyr raw and maybe not ready......even Ronaldo too a fair while to settle in and perform well even with games, so these players shouldnt expect regular minutes here when they werent getting them at there other clubs generally anyway.
I get your point on Van de Beek and him not getting chances, quite obviously he hasnt, but hasnt generally taken the few chances he has had....probably wrong example for me as personally he was one of the few Ole signings I thought was totally wrong in the first place.
What I would say though, is bar Bellingham, did any of these youngsters have big reputations as I had never heard of Pellstri or Amad for example before we were linked with them in the press, or Hannibal
 

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Konate £36m
Andre Silva £30m
Camavinga £40-45m
Sancho £70m

About as good and as cheap as you'll get for the 4 positions

Supplemented by the sales of Lingaard, Perirera, Jones, Martial and De Gea, one can dream.
 

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Konate £36m
Andre Silva £30m
Camavinga £40-45m
Sancho £70m

About as good and as cheap as you'll get for the 4 positions

Supplemented by the sales of Lingaard, Perirera, Jones, Martial and De Gea, one can dream.
Are you talking of who you think are the best players for the price or value in the market? Is personal opinion after all so cant criticise any of that, I really like all of them bar SIlva too personally......but you say as goood and CHEAP, that is a transfer spend in one window of £180m - 45m each on average, certainly wouldnt class that as cheap...with Fernandes and SAnchez being January deals, that is more than we have ever spent in a summer window as far as I am aware?
Not criticisng as I do agree we need to spend this kind of money, in fact more and there is a fair amount of money we can bring in from sales if we were ruthless this summer (yes we can dream haha). It just shows the money needed really though as SAncho at £70m IS one of the cheaper potential big money signings (tho still think he would cost more).

My personal opinion in terms of value for money would be Romagnoli, Kamara and Gouri as think that could cost as little as £75m.....I dont see any cheap value right wingers that arent a major gamble though, think the likes of SAint-Maxim would be great squad signings, but that isnt what we need on the right unless its an experienced short term one akin to Cavani that is cheap to allow yougnsters to develop behind them and compete....but dont see any I can think of
 

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Are you talking of who you think are the best players for the price or value in the market? Is personal opinion after all so cant criticise any of that, I really like all of them bar SIlva too personally......but you say as goood and CHEAP, that is a transfer spend in one window of £180m - 45m each on average, certainly wouldnt class that as cheap...with Fernandes and SAnchez being January deals, that is more than we have ever spent in a summer window as far as I am aware?
Not criticisng as I do agree we need to spend this kind of money, in fact more and there is a fair amount of money we can bring in from sales if we were ruthless this summer (yes we can dream haha). It just shows the money needed really though as SAncho at £70m IS one of the cheaper potential big money signings (tho still think he would cost more).

My personal opinion in terms of value for money would be Romagnoli, Kamara and Gouri as think that could cost as little as £75m.....I dont see any cheap value right wingers that arent a major gamble though, think the likes of SAint-Maxim would be great squad signings, but that isnt what we need on the right unless its an experienced short term one akin to Cavani that is cheap to allow yougnsters to develop behind them and compete....but dont see any I can think of
My thoughts are of players who are of good enough quality to improve our first team and depth, I could definatley post cheaper players but they wouldn't improve us as much as needed to title challenge. I'm thinking the sales can reduce the outlay by a big chunk if we can get £40m for martial that's a big reduction from one player, sell Lingaard and De Gea it reduces heavily again until you have an small net spend
 

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What about Raul Jimenez, when is he expected to be fit, if we can snap him up for 30 odd Million, it will be the best business we have done for ages, add in Sancho and a CB (Varane, Kounde, Konate or Torres), then we are grand. We will certainly be up there for the title charge.
 

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I am most likely wrong but my two cents is that we are not targeting a DM unless Pogba leaves. CB and an RW/ST is the priority. Unless Varane becomes really attainable, CB choice seems to be Pau Torres who I think due to his playmaking abilities can make up for the deficiency of the McFred midfield. ST depends on if Cavani leaves and RW is if Dortmund can lower their asking price for Sancho
 

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What about Raul Jimenez, when is he expected to be fit, if we can snap him up for 30 odd Million, it will be the best business we have done for ages, add in Sancho and a CB (Varane, Kounde, Konate or Torres), then we are grand. We will certainly be up there for the title charge.
He's 29, currently injured with a mysterious injury called "Fitness"!! (by TransferMarkt). No way will United pay transfer cash for him. Unless he put a low buy-out clause in his contact he's playing his career out at Wolves (to 2024).
 

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I'm genuinely puzzled more people aren't talking about Joao Felix. It's an open secret he's unhappy at Atletico, and I think he'd be perfect playing as a false 9 off our wide forwards. Also think we should be looking at the fact that Memphis is out of contract in the summer.
 

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Memphis and agent will likely ask for more than their worth in wages/fees, but if he’s truly desperate to make his United time right, it could give us slight discount compared to other clubs. I would take him on a free if he doesn’t ask for too much. Clearly is technical enough, if he’s improved his mentality, there is a player in there.

What about Kristoffer Ajer? Haven’t followed him this season, but when I did previously he did look decent, albeit in the SPL. He would cover a few positions - CB, DM, RB - wouldn’t cost too much either I’d imagine. But since he’s Norwegian, Ole must not rate him at all.

I haven’t watched Soumare (Lille?) or Zakaria. How about them? There are a few gems in the Ligue which we could probably gamble on.
 
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None of those players would improve us & for the money we’d pay to get them all we could just get Haaland. SPL level is probably championship level. Some of the players listed wouldn’t even get into Fulham’s team.
This thread is for value in the market, not "key players to improve starting eleven right away". Jonathan Tah plays for Bayer Leverkusen and the german national team, Im pretty sure he would do well here. Memphis Depay would be worth another shot if he came free. Teun Koopmeiners has been one of the best players in the Eredivisie, scoring 15 goals in 28 games as a DMC/MC. Edouard will move to a bigger club sometime soon and we'll find out whether we regret buying him or not, 53 goals in 86 matches for Celtic and 17 goals in 13 matches for France U21 seems decent to me. I agree SPL is at Championship level, but Celtic/Rangers are a notch above the others, so their key players are obviously worth looking into. We need good squad players too. We bought Vidic for 7 million from Spartak Moscow, maybe you weren't convinced he would improve us right away either.
 
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I am most likely wrong but my two cents is that we are not targeting a DM unless Pogba leaves. CB and an RW/ST is the priority. Unless Varane becomes really attainable, CB choice seems to be Pau Torres who I think due to his playmaking abilities can make up for the deficiency of the McFred midfield. ST depends on if Cavani leaves and RW is if Dortmund can lower their asking price for Sancho
I dont think we are targeting central midfielders at all this summer, think regardless of who we do sign in the other positions, if the case, it is a big mistake unless we are expecting someone from the yout to step up or VDB to play more.....or worst of all, we are happy with what we have
 

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I feel there will definatley be some bargain chasing this summer, but I think we will resort back to our business days under Sir Alex, especially with the stage the squad building is currently at. We should be looking for 1/2 key signings for the starting 11 whilst replacing certain individuals in the rest of the squad with players good enough to make an impact but enough room to grow that they could be seen as starting options in the future.

It was a philosophy that worked immensely under the Boss and with Ole in charge and the restructure behind the scenes with emphasis on returning to the "United way" then I can see the club returning to a similar initiative in terms of transfers.
 

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I feel there will definatley be some bargain chasing this summer, but I think we will resort back to our business days under Sir Alex, especially with the stage the squad building is currently at. We should be looking for 1/2 key signings for the starting 11 whilst replacing certain individuals in the rest of the squad with players good enough to make an impact but enough room to grow that they could be seen as starting options in the future.

It was a philosophy that worked immensely under the Boss and with Ole in charge and the restructure behind the scenes with emphasis on returning to the "United way" then I can see the club returning to a similar initiative in terms of transfers.
I wish we were in that position. Fergusons squad didnt even have room for more than a couple of key signings once he got the first great squad together and then he was able to replace a lot of that with the fledglings. The general consenus you see on here and from explayers is there are 3 or 4 positions that are priorities to improve on and key thi ssummer
 

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Selling VDB after a season is prime incompetence and just goes to show how shortsighted our supporters are. Give him a year to adjust and a full preseason and he will show his potential.

It’s one thing for our new director to identify Haaland as our top target (bravo captain obvious) but it’s another to identify a good player playing at a smaller club that you believe can elevate their game on a bigger stage. Bissouma, Raphinha and Aarons would improve our squad and starting 11. Take a chance, it doesn’t have to be Sancho, Rice and Haaland.
 

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I wish we were in that position. Fergusons squad didnt even have room for more than a couple of key signings once he got the first great squad together and then he was able to replace a lot of that with the fledglings. The general consenus you see on here and from explayers is there are 3 or 4 positions that are priorities to improve on and key thi ssummer
I agree we could probably upgrade more than 1 or 2 starting players but one of the reasons why this young team is currently flourishing is because the squad harmony seems terrific. Displacing too many starters could have the adverse affect which is why I reckon we will look for 2 at most and try to improve the bulk of the squad with a few potential or bargain buys.
 

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A few press reports link United with Pape Sarr(18) who has 12 starts for 10th place Metz in Ligue 1. 1059 minutes completed; 2 goals scored. He's 2 months older than Camavinga; but has played half as many minutes this season. In terms of (WhoScored) stats they're quite similar. Camavinga is clearly classier; but his class hasn't yet paid off in terms of obviously better performances. Sarr's contract runs till 2025; I think United must be looking at him as a DCM / b2b - or a b2b who can defend! Sarr would be the value version of Camavinga.
 

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I think these players, below, all have contracts ending this summer. So no transfer fee. I would not be shocked if United signed one or two of them.

Age.
35. Tom Heaton, Aston Villa, Hasn't played for a whole year at Villa. Would replace Grant.
30. Lucas Vázquez, Real Madrid, Winger converted to right full-back. Quality. Definitely better in attack than AWB. Would be very useful option against teams who sit deep.
23. Dejan Ljubicic, Rapid Vienna. C-DM. Youngish. More attacking C-DM than McFred. Playing in an inferior league probably rules him out. I think there are also 3 other C-DMs available freely but all over 30: Javi Martinez, 32; Ivan Radovanovic, 32; Sami Khedira, 34
28. Florian Thauvin, Marseille. RW. Left-footer. Can play as AM or Striker. 8 goals + 8 assists in 2492 minutes.
18. Brian Brobbey. Ajax. CF. Agent Mino Riola. Good goal-scoring record with Jong Ajax. He's talked of United but I can't see it. We wouldn't play him; as we have Greenwood just older, and at least 4 potential PL prospects younger (Elanga, McNeil, Hugill, Garnacho)
27. Memphis Depay. Lyon. Playing CF and scoring goals. Off to Barca this summer.
27. Hakan Çalhanoğlu. AC Milan.
27. Julian Draxler. PSG. Both right-footed attacking midfielders. Looks like United will renew Mata's contract, so Bruno will be #1. The only point in buying Çalhanoğlu or Draxler will be to play them on the wing or box-to-box. B2B, in the PL, may be the most demanding position in world football!

If Grant leaves, which looks certain, I'd get Tom Heaton.
I'd definitely get Lucas Vázquez. Send Williams, Laird, Dalot out on loan next season.
Florian Thauvin? He has experience but Amad has so much flair. I think we can also play Donny on either wing. So I guess not.

I just want them to be free-eee
Da, da, da, da-h, da, da, Free-eee
- Glazier's favorite song.
 

dal

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Kane and Grealish for £180 million would represent unbelievable value in the market.

Especially is we can get £150 million from selling Pogba, Martial and Lingard.

Hopefully we can keep cavani and swap VDB for an actual midfielder, a Fred/Matic hybrid or anyone who runs a lot and can pass.

Attaack
Kane, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford, Grealish, Bruno, Diallo.

Midfield.
Fred, Mctominay, Matic, Grealish, New Cm

We win the league with that I feel even though cm isn’t top notch.

last 10 min kitchen sink

-Rashford ——Kane—-Cavani —-Greenwood
———————Grealish—-Bruno————————

attack attack attack.
 

Dave_MUFC

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Jun 21
AC Milan​
Gianluigi Donnarumma​
GK​
FREE. Excellent. High ceiling, starter
Jun 21
Lyon​
Memphis Depay​
CF​
FREE. Cavani replacement, starter
Jun 22​
Real Madrid​
Raphael Varane​
CB​
P/T exchange for Pogba. Bailly replacement, starter.​
Jun 23​
Ajax​
Ryan Gravenberch​
DCM​
Matic replacement, starter. Excellent. High ceiling.​
Jun 25​
Sporting​
Nuno Mendes​
LB​
Excellent. High ceiling.​
Jun 22​
Rapid Vienna​
Yusuf Demir​
AM​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
Jun 23​
Genk​
Maarten Vandevoordt​
GK​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
Sep 25​
Palmeiras​
Gabriel Veron​
CF​
Excellent prospect. High ceiling.​
You do realise that the combined transfer fees for all would most likely be £250m+, then including the signing on fees and wages of the free transfers. This isn't FM :lol:
 

Jezpeza

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Post neymar, theres only value in the market if you can identify the players that will make the step up when they sign. For example, Mane was a good PL player at Southampton but found an even higher level at Liverpool. Robertson looked promising at Hull and found a new level at Liverpool as well.

And on the flip side, there are players we signed such as Schneiderlin and Darmian who looked decent but were already at their ceiling and didnt advance here. We havent been very good at that sort of stuff and have ended up with expensively assembled deadwood its taken 2 years to shift.

theres a good position at the moment where French and Dutch are churning out some fantstic technical young players who come with plenty of first team experience as they get to play in their leagues from a very young age. The English teams acadamies are too but theres a premium on it and they dont seem to get the games as quick.

camavinga is an example of one of these younger players who at 18 has played over 60 ligue one games and in the champions league. Then there are players like soumare who is 22 but already has 70 or 80 games under his belt.

i am all for signing younger ‘prospects’ like these if they are players that will make the difference to the first 11 and also develop further. If they are of the buy and loan out mould like pellestri then at the moment I would question why as we are stacked with players for ‘tomorrow’ but short 3 or 4 class starters.

Looking for value there are known players like bissouma at brighton, belloti at torino who are big fish in smaller teams who might do well here or might turn out to be more expensive mediocrity.

much probably relies on scouts and people looking at xg and all that data. Will be interested if we sign anyone and what sort of players we go for if any this summer.
 

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Sell: Van de Beek 40 Mil
De Gea 35 Mil
Bailly 15 Mil
Pereira 10 Mil

Let go of Matic + Mata so we can free up approx 10-12 Mil p/a

Extend Cavani one more Year
Current Form Lingard + 15-20 Mil exchange for Declan Rice with WHU
Martial + 20 mio Exchange Sancho with Dortmund (Dortmund would have a good replacement and a new challenge for Martial)
Try and get Varane who has one more Year on his Contract for around 45-50 Mil.

Then we still have the Budget to go all out on Haaland or Kane

We'd have an absolute fantastic and fairly young Squad to challenge on all fronts:

-----------Henderson
AWB Varane maguire Shaw
----------------Rice
------Pogba---- fernades
Sancho haaland/kane rashford

Greenwood, Cavani, Lindelof, Telles, Amad, James, Fred, Mctominay,
Mengi, Tuanzebe, Garner, Dalot, Pellistri, Elanga, Mejbri, Shoretire
Would love it, apart from selling VdB, but can't see it happening, especially at those values.
 

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We need players good enough to come into the first team straight away.

IMO we should go for a Centre-Forward, Centre-Back and a Defensive Midfielder.
 

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CB - varane
RB - vazquez
CDM - Pjanic
RW - Neto
ST - Andre Silva
 

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Perhaps we can afford a few of these instead:

ST - Milik
FWR - Berardi / Bailey
CM - Locatelli
CB - Bade / Tapsoba
 

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We need players good enough to come into the first team straight away.

IMO we should go for a Centre-Forward, Centre-Back and a Defensive Midfielder.
Absolutely but unfortunately we haven't got the funds for 3 first XI players this summer, still confident it will be an absolute maximum of one starter player unless we could raise around £45-50m for Lingard and the deadwood