The Virgin League Draft - Himannv vs. BIG DUNK (GROUP B)

With players in their 3 year career peak, who would win?


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Team Himannv (J. Giles dropped for J. Wouters)

Tactics

This is a take on Nagelsmann's 4-4-2.

Nagelsmann Tactics Overview

Nagelsmann's team actually play multiple formations, ranging from 3 at the back to 4-2-2-2 to 4-4-2. This is a take on his 4-4-2 formation. The following image (figure 1) is how they line up currently for most part.


Figure 1: Current RB Leipzig Formation

As you can probably guess from Figure 1 and your own experience of watching them, this roughly involves the following:

Attack
  • Counter attack normally starts from wide areas.
  • Wingers mostly cut inside on offensive phases, making it a 4-2-2-2 in attack.
  • At least one of the CFs will drop deeper and he'll be pacy.
  • Both CFs are mobile.
  • Two men up front is a must to maintain depth when one drops deep.
  • Only one flank gets overloaded at a time.
Midfield
  • Leipzig are a pressing team and the CMs are key to this so they have to have high energy.
  • Both CMs are theoretically DMs
  • The team in general is possession-based with short passing the key aspect.

Defence
  • CBs should be able to play out from the back.
  • Defenders who can defend. Leipzig do not concede many.
  • High defensive line.
  • Fullbacks move forward only one at a time and are the primary width providers when wingers cut in.

Let's go into the above points in more detail in the following section.

How Nagelsmann's Tactics Compare to Mine

Attack


Figure 2: Pressing to push the ball wider

  • Suitability: Leipzig have a great variety for how they score their goals. Last season, 20% of their75 goals have been scored via set-pieces, while 9% have been scored through counter attacks directly after winning possession in their own half. They’ve also scored the most number of penalty kicks that season with 5. But the majority of their goals, as should be the case for any top-level team, come from intricate combinations and open-play.

    Leipzig love to attack down the wings. They have a highly talented cast and crew of players, who are very capable of taking players on 1v1 and creating chances through individual skill. I feel Houseman and Rep are perfect fits for this system. Houseman, when playing on the left, constantly cuts in - he's better with his right foot although he can use his left as well. Rep regularly cuts in from the right, he's almost like Robben in that regard and perfect for the system.

    The way Leipzig press is to push the opposition wider and then exert pressure to win the ball in wider areas (see figure 2). This will be a key tactic in this game considering the opposition and we're set up nicely to take advantage of winning possession in wide areas with Houseman and Rep.

    Werner is the key player for them. He drops deep and gets involved in deeper areas of the pitch, while also being a threat upfront. He's also very quick and uses his pace to his advantage. Keegan is the player I associate with this role the most. Mighty Mouse is lightening quick, an insane dribbler, a force of nature, and naturally gravitates towards the ball and to deeper areas. He's about a perfect fit as it gets. Poulsen or Schick partner him up front and they're both somewhat similar players; mobile, good finishers, and good in the air. Dalglish plays this role in my team and, if you notice, most of the goals he scores and the positions he gets to are ones you would see from a typical striker.

  • Differences: The aerial duties up front are shared by both Dalglish and Keegan in my system, so that is slightly different to only Poulsen/Schick playing that role.

Defence and Midfield


Figure 3: Playing out from the back

  • Suitability: As you can see in Figure 2, the CBs are a key aspects of this team. Their role will be to create from the back, step forward into spaces and attack when on the ball.

    Nagelsmann’s talented team are quite adept at keeping possession and playing through the thirds. Similarly to Dortmund, they like to play a one-two-touch passing kind of game, advancing the ball quickly and vertically. But they also tend to favour direct balls along the ground into their forwards or wingers, who will drop to show for the ball. Their central midfielders are not frequent outlets during moments where the team are attempting to play out from the back. They instead hold their positions, allowing Leipzig to have a clogged midfield should they lose the ball. Upamecano and Klostermann will often shift the ball left to right, looking to play in a striker or a winger at the right moment. The young Frenchman has completed the ninth most passes per game in the Bundesliga last season (70.3), highlighting his importance to the team when playing out from the back.

    Wouters and Szymaniak have high energy and workrate, and both will be great at pressing and short passing and holding their defensive shape, while allowing the CBs to play their game. they're both well suited to a pressing system.

    Hulshoff and Blankenburg, as you already know, are no strangers to having the ball at their feet and creating from the back. The systems they played in demanded that they were technically proficient and able to play as creative options when required. They are ideally suited to this system.

  • Differences: The main difference is my fullbacks. Both Sansom and Armfield are perfect fits defensively but they are not going to be as offensive as typical RB Leipzig fullbacks. They will step forward (never both together) when in possession to overload one flank as per the Leipzig system and they will deliver the occasional cross, but the emphasis will be more on defense and ensuring the opposition don't get too much of a foothold in our defensive phase.

Other

  • Oblak is an upgrade here in almost every way as I don't think that highly of Gulasci. His large frame gives him dominance inside the penalty area on high balls and a great reach for shots high or into the corners; add to that his fine reflexes and ability to spread himself and it's clear why he's such a tough goalkeeper to beat. He'll be a great addition to this team.




Team BIG DUNK (K. Deyna dropped for Z. Boban)

PLAYING STYLE:

A counter attacking 4-3-3, built upon an assured defensive spine, creative heart and lethal attack. Compact when defending, but looking to the wings when we attack. Our wingforwards will cut in, allowing the fullbacks to overlap and provide additional width and attacking support. The midfield three and Bergkamp will form our very own magic square: able to break up play, recycle possession and execute quick direct attacks given the game tempo or circumstance. With positional specialists who work between the lines, with no fixed position, we will aim to stretch our opponent's back line, penetrate spaces and pull defenders out of position: our movement will encourage direct vertical attacks, overlapping, underlapping, shooting from range, cutting in from the wings and late runs in to the box.


DEFENDING (a solid tenacious platform to break up play and deny space):

In the heart of my defence is Roberto Perfumo, regarded as Argentina’s greatest pure defender. His partner in crime is my stopper-centreback Guido Buchwald, one of the toughest man-markers of his era and all-time. His most notable defensive performance being his efficient marking job of Diego Maradona in the 1990 FIFA World Cup final. At the base of my magic square is Luis Fernandez, a tactically superb defensive midfielder, while still possessing the technical skills of a playmaker, and the raw energy and bite of a box-to-box dynamo. Luis Fernandez brings a combative element to the team, added more balance, power, shape and workrate to the square. Alongside Benetti and Boban, Luis Fernandez will boss the game. He will add steel to the back four: covering spaces from our attacking fullbacks, doubling up on attackers and breaking up play. His industry and bite made him a prototype, a model midfielder and a vital midfield general. He is crucial in freeing up space for Benetti and Boban to move forward and work the space. My box-to-box midfield enforcer role belongs to Romeo Benetti. "Nicknamed Panzer (tank), El Tigre (the tiger), and the Roccia (rock), Benetti was a tenacious, mobile, athletic, and complete midfielder, who was known in particular for his physical strength, stamina, charisma, determination, consistency, and leadership as footballer. His hard-tackling style of play in this role epitomised the catenaccio tactics made famous by Italy during the 1970s." At right back is Jorginho, the highly skilled Brazilian right-back was one of the most respected two-way fullbacks of the 90s: possessing excellent technique, pace, solid defensively, offering high workrate and accurate delivery from the wing. Gordillo will provide endless energy down the left flank, famous for his sharp and tough slide tackles, and impressive strength with and without the ball. Luis Fernandez and Benetti's expert positioning and ferocious defensive cover allow both Gordillo and Jorginho the licence to attack down their respective wings. In goal is the greatest goalkeeper of all time, Lev Yashin.The Ballon d’Or winner will be a vital piece in how I want my team to play. "Yashin revolutionised the role of goalkeeper like no other before him, by always being ready to act as an extra defender and by starting dangerous counter-attacks with his positioning and quick throws.” Boban possesses a competitive determination, tenacity and bite to his play to contribute with the defensive workrate higher up the pitch too.


PLAYMAKING (a team brimming with vision and creative outlets):

Technical maestro Zvonimir Boban was one of the most gifted playmakers from the 90s - his vision, passing range, long range shooting, set-piece excellence, dribbling skills and silky ball control, combined with his vocal presence, determination, strength of character and tenacity made him a stand out performer for club and country. Given Boban's tactical versatility and positional intelligence, the 'Balkan Zorro' can confidently play the Mezzala role here (central playmaker drifting right). Boban can spring counter attacks from deep (finding both Bergkamp, Heynckes and Bene), stretching play to the wings (Gordillo and Jorginho), or help retain possession with his accurate ball distribution (aided by midfield enforcers Benetti and Luis Fernandez). Such was Jorginho's ability on the ball, he enjoyed moving inside as a creative inverted wingback, which will complement both Boban's and Bene's movement. Dennis Bergkamp is my technical genius, playing in a deep-lying forward role: linking up play, operating between the lines, able to hold the ball up for his wingforwards/attacking fullbacks/central midfielders, take on centrebacks with his worldclass control and dribbling skills, thread inch perfect thoughballs to my two wingforwards Heynckes and Bene, or being a clinical finisher himself from a direct counter attack or well-timed passing phase. Heynckes and Bene are not just prolific goalscorers, they were highly involved in build up play too. Bene will be encouraged to dribble. Additional support and passing comes from the wings through our fullbacks Rafael Gordillo and Jorginho. One of the best attacking fullbacks/wingbacks from the 80s, Gordillo was a gifted footballer, enjoying great success in La Liga for Betis and Madrid, and with the Spanish national team. Very tough, yet so skillful, Gordillo will offer me plenty of width, endless workrate, penetrating runs and deliveries from the left flank, overlapping Heynckes. "Jorginho was brilliant going forward, so dangerous and capable of scoring fantastic goals. He was the kind of player fans would pay to watch, but he was also solid in defence and played brilliantly against Italy in the 1994 World Cup Final. He never let anyone down.” "He's a proper attacking full-back – very solid defensively and extremely intelligent". Luis Fernandez also possessed a delightful touch, accurate passing and a panoramic vision in reading the game, influential in connecting the defence to the attack. "Romeo Benetti possessed good technique and distribution, which enabled him to function as a deep-lying playmaker at times, and start attacking plays and create goalscoring opportunities after winning back the ball."


GOALSCORING (lethal one-on-one, intelligent movement, pace and space penetration):

Our three-pronged attack is potent, creative and fluid. On the left, one of the finest wing forwards of all time, Jupp Heynckes. 'Jupp' was a complete forward: versatile (able to play on either wing, central or in a withdrawn role, cut in from the flank, get in behind or work the channels), deadly on the counter (possessing pace and deadly one-on-one with a goalkeeper), predator in the box (his reactions, positioning and goalscoring instincts were world-class, matched by his excellent striking technique and ability with both feet and head), creative (enjoyed being part of the build up), his movement and workrate were highly valued (his intelligent movement on and off the ball made him a headache for defenders). Between 1972 and 1975 he recorded Gerd Muller-esque numbers, scoring 130 goals in 139 games. Prolific. A technically brilliant forward, Ferenc Bene was deadly on the right wing or centrally. A skilled dribbler who was just as likely to bamboozle a fullback with his feints, agile turns and tricks or lose his marker in the box with a perfectly timed run. A prolific goalscorer who was undoubtedly one of the most feared forwards/outside rights in the mid to late 60s and early 70s. I feel Bergkamp’s vision and passing will maximise both Heycknes’ and Bene’s relentless workrate, link up play, intelligent movement and clinical finishing in the last third. Despite being a predominately defensive-minded player, Romeo Benetti was also known for his goal-scoring ability from midfield, due to his powerful and accurate striking ability from distance. Boban was both a set-piece specialist and long-range marksman with his powerful accurate shots. Gordillo also chips in from the left flank, with his screamers from the flank or his intelligent late runs into the box. Not utilising a natural #9/target man will draw our opponent's centrebacks out of their line defensive line (high and wide) creating pockets of space for our attack/midfield to exploit, and help us to out-number our opponent in key areas out wide and in central areas. Moreover, our opponent’s fullbacks will need to second guess themselves when attacking higher up the field and leaving spaces behind on the flanks.



Good luck @Himannv @BIG DUNK!
 

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I had this concern in Himmanv's first game as well, but I don't think I would call Rep, Houseman as 4-4-2 players. (Not sure about Litmanen as well to be honest, but that seems like a completely different tangent of a role)

It looks like a 4-2-4 to me.
 

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I had this concern in Himmanv's first game as well, but I don't think I would call Rep, Houseman as 4-4-2 players. (Not sure about Litmanen as well to be honest, but that seems like a completely different tangent of a role)

It looks like a 4-2-4 to me.
I would say it is a 4-2-2-2 in the attacking phase. It was originally how Leipzig played before Nagelsmann took over and they sort of revert to that when attacking with the wingers cutting in. Their job in the defensive phase is to essentially close down the fullback and steal it off him, which they both have done regularly enough in their careers. I don't see much of a difference in terms of style when compared to Sabitzer and Nkunku. Those two score a fair chunk of goals and assists for the team as well. For me Houseman and Rep seem a good fit for this philosophy.

EDIT: Another reason for picking them and going for this particular tactic was because I knew they would be up against Gordillo and Jorginho. I spent some time watching those two (Gordillo because I considered picking him at first, but to be honest with you he didn't impress me as much as I would have liked. Jorginho, as well, is a good attacking fullback/wingback but is not as mercurial defensively and I wanted a good attacking winger to give him problems.
 
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I would say it is a 4-2-2-2 in the attacking phase. It was originally how Leipzig played before Nagelsmann took over and they sort of revert to that when attacking with the wingers cutting in. Their job in the defensive phase is to essentially close down the fullback and steal it off him, which they both have done regularly enough in their careers.
I would say all 4-4-2's are 4-2-4 or 4-2-2-2 in an attacking phase. So its never a problem in the attacking phase.

While its one thing to track a fullback if needed, its another thing to maintain 2 banks of 4. The discipline needed for that is entirely different.

Both Rep and Housemen were wing forwards which I don't prefer to see in a 4-4-2.
 

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I would say all 4-4-2's are 4-2-4 or 4-2-2-2 in an attacking phase. So its never a problem in the attacking phase.

While its one thing to track a fullback if needed, its another thing to maintain 2 banks of 4. The discipline needed for that is entirely different.

Both Rep and Housemen were wing forwards which I don't prefer to see in a 4-4-2.
From what I've seen of them, I don't think they're defensively very different from Nkunku or Sabitzer. It's also a pressing system, so positional discipline isn't really what that tactic is about in the defensive phase.
 

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I agree with scrappy there. Actually loved Litmanen in that role from the previous game considering Samson is a very good overlapper and him tucking in to dictate play.
 

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I feel I should have just torn up all this tactical stuff and gone for 4-2-3-1 or something. :lol:

Out of interest, which players would you all prefer to have on the wings in a setup like RB Leipzig? A Pires type perhaps?
 

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Out of interest, which players would you all prefer to have on the wings in a setup like RB Leipzig? A Pires type perhaps?
Going based on this and among the available players -

Yea, Pires is a great option. Donadoni another great option on either flank.

The best option in my books would be Littbarski. Again for either flank.

  • Wingers mostly cut inside on offensive phases, making it a 4-2-2-2 in attack.
 

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How come I'm the only one putting up 3-year periods for the players? Hard to judge the players when you don't know what version of them you're getting.
 

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How come I'm the only one putting up 3-year periods for the players? Hard to judge the players when you don't know what version of them you're getting.
Probably because Invictus hasn't required it unlike in the last draft. I do think it is good to include though.
 

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Two interesting teams. I have voted for one team but could have voted for the other depending the mood

2 great write ups fairplay
Yes

I feel I should have just torn up all this tactical stuff and gone for 4-2-3-1 or something. :lol:
Easier to sell in a draft but more boring

Out of interest, which players would you all prefer to have on the wings in a setup like RB Leipzig? A Pires type perhaps?
Giggs/Rivaldo on the left and Figo on the right
 

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I feel I should have just torn up all this tactical stuff and gone for 4-2-3-1 or something. :lol:

Out of interest, which players would you all prefer to have on the wings in a setup like RB Leipzig? A Pires type perhaps?
You shouldn't be discouraged about it mate. Sometimes it just doesn't click with voters, despite the great effort in explaining your tactics. Surely it's appreciated though and I love what Nagelsmann is doing right now so happy to see an effort like this in drafts.

In terms of wingers, the names said above + Finney, Hamrin, Piksi, Lorimer etc should do the job I reckon.
 

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You shouldn't be discouraged about it mate. Sometimes it just doesn't click with voters, despite the great effort in explaining your tactics. Surely it's appreciated though and I love what Nagelsmann is doing right now so happy to see an effort like this in drafts.

In terms of wingers, the names said above + Finney, Hamrin, Piksi, Lorimer etc should do the job I reckon.
Thanks for saying that. I did feel a bit like giving up on the whole thing tbh.

Good suggestions on personnel, cheers.
 

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Going to pick Keegan in all the drafts going forward. He's some player.
He is. What impressed me most when I researched him was his (imo) very modern understanding of pass & move plays. I really liked his quick & smart decisionmaking and vast repertoire on the ball, and I think he'd be great in today's football. Kind of a polar opposite to Werner in terms of goalscoring & playmaking ability though - and I think one of your CFs playing around a tall & mobile hold-up guy would have been truer to the theme. But your forward duo is damn excellent in any case, and would work well in their own way, imo.

As for the wingers question, I think forward types should work perfectly well in your team, for the reasons you stated yourself. I can't really judge Rep and Houseman, but if they offer a mix of forward characteristics, team orientation and aggression/workrate, I say they're a great fit.

The most doubts I actually had on Oblak. Gulacsi plays more from the back under Nagelsmann than under previous managers, and he does it reasonably well. Someone else than Oblak (who is a pretty traditional type, imo) might be more ideal for this role in buildup play.
 

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He is. What impressed me most when I researched him was his (imo) very modern understanding of pass & move plays. I really liked his quick & smart decisionmaking and vast repertoire on the ball, and I think he'd be great in today's football. Kind of a polar opposite to Werner in terms of goalscoring & playmaking ability though - and I think one of your CFs playing around a tall & mobile hold-up guy would have been truer to the theme. But your forward duo is damn excellent in any case, and would work well in their own way, imo.

As for the wingers question, I think forward types should work perfectly well in your team, for the reasons you stated yourself. I can't really judge Rep and Houseman, but if they offer a mix of forward characteristics, team orientation and aggression/workrate, I say they're a great fit.

The most doubts I actually had on Oblak. Gulacsi plays more from the back under Nagelsmann than under previous managers, and he does it reasonably well. Someone else than Oblak (who is a pretty traditional type, imo) might be more ideal for this role in buildup play.
Yes, I still actually think that wing forwards will fit this system - RB Leipzig are quite an attacking team on the whole. I do like the sound of Littbarski, Finney, and Hamrin in those roles as well though so the feedback is useful to me. The problem is that Rep and Houseman don't actually play with these exact tactics so some things are really a guess in terms of how they would perform. Litmanen was the same in the previous game; he's obviously never played in those tactics so it was a calculated guess based on what I've seen of him and the slight parallels with systems he did actually play in.

The keeper issue is a good call and this was the area I felt was not quite as good a fit. I do think Oblak is a much better keeper, but I agree in terms of playing out from the back. Anyway I think Leipzig mainly rely on the CBs for this.
 

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I do like the sound of Littbarski, Finney, and Hamrin in those roles as well though so the feedback is useful to me.
Hamrin was very much a wing forward in my eyes, and Finney might be exactly that too in today's football. It would amount to the same, imo.
The problem is that Rep and Houseman don't actually play with these exact tactics so some things are really a guess in terms of how they would perform. Litmanen was the same in the previous game; he's obviously never played in those tactics so it was a calculated guess based on what I've seen of him and the slight parallels with systems he did actually play in.
Yeah, I think that's what we have to do in historical drafts. 70s Ajax/NL are halfways comparable stylistically, so Rep might be a bit easier to judge, despite the different position/formation. Along the same lines, I think Heynckes & Bergkamp from the opposition side would be excellent for today's pressing/transition setups. Keegan is a 100% fit in my eyes (not as a 1:1 Werner replacement, but in general).
The keeper issue is a good call and this was the area I felt was not quite as good a fit. I do think Oblak is a much better keeper, but I agree in terms of playing out from the back. Anyway I think Leipzig mainly rely on the CBs for this.
I'd say it depends a lot on if they're pressed. If the oppo tries to obstruct buildup, the GK ballplaying skills become essential. So in this particular game probably not so much, as BD has gone for a counter approach, although sweeping behind a high line is crucial in any case.

Btw, the Ajax CB duo is bloody good for this style as well, and another reason I voted for you.
 
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Hamrin was very much a wing forward in my eyes, and Finney might be exactly that too in today's football. It would amount to the same, imo.
IMO in such system you would need someone who will add goals to it and Hamrin is very good for that role. He also puts a shift in from what I've seen from him (bear in mind of course that the era was a lot different from today, so you can't really expect him to do a Kuyt impersonation), whilst Finney is very versatile player that also was renown for his work rate.

Also Nagelsmann's teams doesn't necessarily defend in two lines of 4, like Simeone teams do, so whilst you do need someone to keep shape you also need someone who tucks in so the above suggestions work well IMO.

Another one is Jair, who fits the bill(not sure if he's blocked), but you have someone who can act as a winger, keep shape in the defensive phase but also tuck in and offer a goal threat.

Thomas Muller is another one if you need work rate and high press.

All in all there are options but tactics like that are really difficult to pull off and whilst some might like the set up others might not which makes it very difficult to create a carbon copy of the ideology that would suit majority of the voters.
 

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Not sure if I get your argument right, but I didn't mean "... would amount to the same problem". Rather the opposite. I see wing forwards as a good choice, as long as they have the necessary tactical understanding and aggression/workrate.
 

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Not sure if I get your argument right, but I didn't mean "... would amount to the same problem". Rather the opposite. I see wing forwards as a good choice, as long as they have the necessary tactical understanding and aggression/workrate.
ah, yes! In this case we're on the same page :)
 

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What are people's take on this tactic now that you've all had a good look at the 4-2-2-2 that Ralf has brought in here? I remember there was criticism aimed at the "wing forwards" here, but now that you've all seen the likes of Sancho and Greenwood even play there, don't you all feel Houseman and Rep were reasonable fits?
 

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What are people's take on this tactic now that you've all had a good look at the 4-2-2-2 that Ralf has brought in here? I remember there was criticism aimed at the "wing forwards" here, but now that you've all seen the likes of Sancho and Greenwood even play there, don't you all feel Houseman and Rep were reasonable fits?
Ralf is not a good example at this point to sell the setup mate
 

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Nothing wrong with the tactic IMO - Ralf's success/failure depends more on other factors, particularly suitability, physicality, and mentality of players and perhaps his skills at man-management and idea transfer.
Scrappy is right, we can barely see so far how the tactics work, both good stuff and bad.
 

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What are people's take on this tactic now that you've all had a good look at the 4-2-2-2 that Ralf has brought in here? I remember there was criticism aimed at the "wing forwards" here, but now that you've all seen the likes of Sancho and Greenwood even play there, don't you all feel Houseman and Rep were reasonable fits?
To be honest, based on initial impressions I don't really like Rangnick's selection of Sancho and Greenwood as the half-space oriented dual #8s — at face value, those choices for a conventional 4—2—2—2 (if that's his persisting intent) smacks of shoving square pegs into round roles instead of clearly accentuating the strengths of the personnel at hand for the immediate term (while formulating a suitable medium to long term plan...which he won't get to do as our head coach as he's only an interim). Even at Leipzig, the most stable 4—2—2—2 variants (that were predicated on compactness and defensive solidity, first and foremost) were comprised of nominal midfielders like Forsberg and Sabitzer (who regularly put in a proper shift off the ball, had more box-to-box ability and were quite adept at shadowing the opposition on both channels) in those type of spaces.

Midfielders like Häßler, Giresse, Brady, Boban would have been more up to the hypothetical task of excelling in similar roles for your team, depending on feasibility (and of course top-of-the-shelf options like Charlton, Gullit or Nedvěd in a more unrestricted pool). And among winger or wide attacker types, the likes of Littbarski (e.g. watch the amount of work he did for Matthäus in the 1990 World Cup across Häßler), Zagallo (balanced the structure for both Garrincha and Nílton), Ribéry (consistently positive workrate over his course of his career), Donadoni (first-rate hustler for Milan/Italy and could be quite disciplined) would have been more suitable, methinks. :)
 

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I think Sancho is fine as one of the 8s in Rangnick's system but Greenwood certainly not. From your historical reference points Brady would be awesome in the role.
 

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To be honest, based on initial impressions I don't really like Rangnick's selection of Sancho and Greenwood as the half-space oriented dual #8s — at face value, those choices for a conventional 4—2—2—2 (if that's his persisting intent) smacks of shoving square pegs into round roles instead of clearly accentuating the strengths of the personnel at hand for the immediate term (while formulating a suitable medium to long term plan...which he won't get to do as our head coach as he's only an interim). Even at Leipzig, the most stable 4—2—2—2 variants (that were predicated on compactness and defensive solidity, first and foremost) were comprised of nominal midfielders like Forsberg and Sabitzer (who regularly put in a proper shift off the ball, had more box-to-box ability and were quite adept at shadowing the opposition on both channels) in those type of spaces.

Midfielders like Häßler, Giresse, Brady, Boban would have been more up to the hypothetical task of excelling in similar roles for your team, depending on feasibility (and of course top-of-the-shelf options like Charlton, Gullit or Nedvěd in a more unrestricted pool). And among winger or wide attacker types, the likes of Littbarski (e.g. watch the amount of work he did for Matthäus in the 1990 World Cup across Häßler), Zagallo (balanced the structure for both Garrincha and Nílton), Ribéry (consistently positive workrate over his course of his career), Donadoni (first-rate hustler for Milan/Italy and could be quite disciplined) would have been more suitable, methinks. :)




Base on 4-2-2-2 , yes you're right, you really need lots of defensive supports and covering through central areas in this plan. So, the wingers should have superb work rates to make this plan great. All of them that you've mentioned are really great fit imho. Another classic players that I really like in this plan is Jair( Herrera's Inter) and Bruno Conti , Both would be acceptable for this formation too, despite both had played in different systems (due to both enormous amount of work rates) .
 
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Demyanenko_square_jaw

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Rep was more of a forward than he was a winger or midfield type imo. His best traits seemed to be mostly built around his goalscoring, like an ability to get into consistently good positions in the box cutting in from wide. I'd bet on him doing better as a part of the forward 2, rather than a deeper midfieldish role.