We are going into the season with Valencia and Young as our first choice full backs. A third season meltdown is absolutely inevitable. Finishing in the top 4 positions will be a miracle. People still can't see how fast those two are declining. When it all goes tits up during the season because of those two, I won't have any sympathy for Jose. He should be seeing it, but he clearly isn't.
Third year meltdown bollocks
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I doubt he'll have a meltdown. I think if he fails to win a title, it will be a slow and humiliating process for him. All of his 'meltdowns' came after winning the league, there was clear complacency and lack of carrot for him to point the players towards.
We still have players that will want to prove that they aren't the problem. If Mourinho fails at United then certain players will be tainted at the club. Pogba and Sanchez especially.
We still have players that will want to prove that they aren't the problem. If Mourinho fails at United then certain players will be tainted at the club. Pogba and Sanchez especially.
So are you planning to watch any of our matches in the league this season or are you taking a break for the year?
Agreed @Ban seem to be reading it I’m threads all over at the moment.
For what it's worth, there is a much higher chance of a meltdown than us winning the league next season. I think some of the posting in this thread is people trying to convince themselves it won't happen.
Let's look at it this way: The football was horrendous last season. Looks like Valencia and Young will be the starting fullbacks yet again next season. There has been no indication at all that Smalling and or Jones will be moved on. Martial has said he wants to leave and the De Gea / Madrid thing has reared its ugly head again.
Hardly a great start to the Summer is it..
So you have to ask yourself, What is the dramatic turnaround for us to suddenly change into title contenders at home and in Europe going to be? Because right now unless we suddenly go off on a tangent and sign say Bale, Veratti, Alderweireld, an Alex Sandro type and completely change the tactics and game plan, I just can't see anything changing.
Let's look at it this way: The football was horrendous last season. Looks like Valencia and Young will be the starting fullbacks yet again next season. There has been no indication at all that Smalling and or Jones will be moved on. Martial has said he wants to leave and the De Gea / Madrid thing has reared its ugly head again.
Hardly a great start to the Summer is it..
So you have to ask yourself, What is the dramatic turnaround for us to suddenly change into title contenders at home and in Europe going to be? Because right now unless we suddenly go off on a tangent and sign say Bale, Veratti, Alderweireld, an Alex Sandro type and completely change the tactics and game plan, I just can't see anything changing.
I think you have the rose tinted glasses on a bit mate.
City had Otamendi (who alot of my City fan friends don't even rate), Delph and Stones in defence alot of last season. I'd hardly say that is much better (or even better at all) than we have, and I say that as someone who doesn't rate alot of our defenders.
Simple fact is that City didn't need to rely on their defence as much because their attacking game plan and approach is far more positive than ours, and were able to easily put teams away. Pretty much the polar opposite to us. And unless by some miracle Jose decides to completely change his managerial outlook and sign some genuinely world class players in the next 8 weeks then the chances of the meltdown are going to be much higher than us suddenly becoming contenders.
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Here here! Well said!
Far too many pessimistic people giving negative vibes for next season.
It’s a fresh start! Let’s see how we get on with the new additions and you never know, it might actually be a great season!
To write it off before it’s even started - well, I don’t know how some people get through the day with nothing to look forward to.
Cheer up!
The season is ages away yet. We've signed two players and one is a fullback
Young has never looked comfortable at all in a back four so I'm not sure where the idea hes going to deriorate our whole season into a meltdown comes from. Valencia gets so much stick on here for someone who's really not that bad. We won the league and champions league with Wes Brown as a first choice fullback.
What does one have to do with the other?
I'll watch every single game that I possibly can right to the end. Shit or not, I'm red til I'm dead. Unless Mourinho has a change of heart and fecks off Valencia and Young from the starting XI, we will be shit. I can only call it as I see it. Won't stop me supporting the team
Hey, Wesley was bloody awesome! Easily one of my favourite players ever.The season is ages away yet. We've signed two players and one is a fullback
Young has never looked comfortable at all in a back four so I'm not sure where the idea hes going to deriorate our whole season into a meltdown comes from. Valencia gets so much stick on here for someone who's really not that bad. We won the league and champions league with Wes Brown as a first choice fullback.
Yes but one is a fullback that obviously isn't going to be a starter immediately. You don't honestly believe he's been bought to start, with Valencia as his backup.The season is ages away yet. We've signed two players and one is a fullback
Young has never looked comfortable at all in a back four so I'm not sure where the idea hes going to deriorate our whole season into a meltdown comes from. Valencia gets so much stick on here for someone who's really not that bad. We won the league and champions league with Wes Brown as a first choice fullback.
Valencia is that bad. He really is. I can always tell what he's going to do before he does it. Runs into a crossing position, stops and dithers for no reason allowing the opposition to get everyone back, then passes it backwards (a lot of the time giving it away in the process)
I'm sure you aren't, but if you were sad enough to watch the FA Cup Final again, you'll see Valencia do this at least 7 times.
Also Wes Brown was underrated. Much better than Valencia. I loved his tackles too.
I don't believe his meltdowns have anything to do with coming after a successful season. Of course it has to do with the pressure of managing a top football club when players who should be performing just aren't doing it. This has been the major issue imo for Mourinho and the club last season.
To name just a few examples we have Pogba who has performed, but is way off the level we believe he should be at. So his impact on the team, as we would have expected, has just not happened. Sanchez is unrecognizable when comparing him to his performances for his former club. Lukaku imo, looking over the whole season, has been a disappointment. So there we have 3 established footballers playing for us nowhere near the level they have played for other clubs.
If we add Rashford to the equation, his development has gone in the wrong direction and if we mention Martial, his development has just stagnated. 2 very talented young players who we are clearly not getting the best out of. Just regarding these 2 players it amazes me to hear people wanting to send Rashford out on loan and cash in on Martial in the summer. Not a word about any responsibility from our own coaching staff to get them to perform in accordance with their potential.
Then there has been some very dodgy interviews with Mourinho during the season where he's expressed himself to the media in a clearly unsuitable fashion regarding both the club and players.
The season then finished on a low with some poor performances from the team towards the end which culminated by not winning the FA-Cup.
So yes, if we don't get these problems addressed and the likes of Fred or any other new additions who come in, fail to perform, a meltdown could be is on it's way.
To avoid the risk of that happening I think he should have been shown the door after the Cup Final defeat!
To name just a few examples we have Pogba who has performed, but is way off the level we believe he should be at. So his impact on the team, as we would have expected, has just not happened. Sanchez is unrecognizable when comparing him to his performances for his former club. Lukaku imo, looking over the whole season, has been a disappointment. So there we have 3 established footballers playing for us nowhere near the level they have played for other clubs.
If we add Rashford to the equation, his development has gone in the wrong direction and if we mention Martial, his development has just stagnated. 2 very talented young players who we are clearly not getting the best out of. Just regarding these 2 players it amazes me to hear people wanting to send Rashford out on loan and cash in on Martial in the summer. Not a word about any responsibility from our own coaching staff to get them to perform in accordance with their potential.
Then there has been some very dodgy interviews with Mourinho during the season where he's expressed himself to the media in a clearly unsuitable fashion regarding both the club and players.
The season then finished on a low with some poor performances from the team towards the end which culminated by not winning the FA-Cup.
So yes, if we don't get these problems addressed and the likes of Fred or any other new additions who come in, fail to perform, a meltdown could be is on it's way.
To avoid the risk of that happening I think he should have been shown the door after the Cup Final defeat!
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The Negative.
- Last season we played bad football, won nothing and were eliminated from The Champions League in the most unacceptable, cowardly manner.
- The manager continues to be rounded on as negative by the media and fans.
- The manager, although never loved by the fans, was respected. That's beginning to dwindle as is his reputation as an awkward realisation begins to emerge of his best days being behind him.
- There is unrest with star players and it's hard to think of any of them as being inform for any significant period last season.
- Lots of speculation about the future of the club's best prospects (hello to the Martial and Rashford aren't good enough brigade - you're entitled to your opinion, but I'll be ignoring it)
- A manager with a proven track record of losing the dressing room and having a meltdown in his third season.
- We got more points and finished better placed that in recent seasons (though 20 points behind).
- The misguided belief that City's last season was a one-off.
If you seriously believe that, then why are you defending Mourinho? That is a pretty damning statement about the manager's performance so far.
Its no different to the example United fans were spouting last year of "always wins a title in his second season"
So are people saying that if Klopp and Poch don't win anything next season, they should be sacked too??
Well since you are attributing Peps success last season to the fact that he spent $500 isn't it fair to assume that we'd acheive something similar to them if we spend something similar?
Silly question. Are they managing Man Utd?
And I think the word is challenge. If we don't put up a proper challenge, he should be sacked... without question.
I don't think there will be a meltdown, there will just be a complete stagnation and we won't show any improvement, in fact we'll probably slip slightly in the table and he'll leave with mutual consent.
Last time I checked season hasn't started and transfer window is still open.
I loved Wesley, but a good fullback he definitely wasn't. If he played now he'd be ripped apart on here. If you asked me to pick a strongest team from our current squad and 2008 CL winning side, it'd be this:
DDG
Valencia
Rio
Vidic
Evra
Scholes
Carrick
Hargreaves
Ronaldo
Rooney
Tevez
I think that in itself indicates that if we have a "meltdown" next season, it probably isn't going to be just because our full backs have deteriorated.
Well I wouldn't care if either did and I see no sense in drawing the comparison. However, if we must indulge this pointless exercise, then probably not, no.
Liverpool have been playing outstanding football which is a joy to watch and have done it on a fraction of our budget whilst sell their "star" player. They may have slipped back in the league this year but their priority was a Champion's League run which looked like a lot of fun.
It's similar with Spurs, they are fun to watch and have got where they have without splashing cash on superstar names.
I say the expectations of both clubs should be lower than ours, but their mangers have had slightly longer to put things in place.
However, Klopp and Pochettino don't come with a history of Premier League title wins and medals from top clubs and leagues across Europe. Ours does. He gets paid more and is trusted with more to spend because, as his dwindling fanboys say, "he's a winner".
Let's see. Make or break with no room for excuses in a year's time.
Exactly. Nobody will be calling for Mourinho's head if we lose the title by a couple of points.
It also simply he has been rather bad at getting the players he wanted to perform:
Pogba
Sanchez
Lindeloff
Bailly
Mkhitaryan
All those players underperforming isn't a coïncidence
It's not a silly question at all. There are so many self entitled United fans that expect to win something every season. They go on about Liverpool and Spurs but we finished above them last season.
Nobody said challenge by the way, they said win the title. With all the posturing that Liverpool and Spurs have done over the last few years, they still haven't won anything. But people are saying Mourinho should be sacked.
Like the OP said, it really is ridiculous and pathetic. I'm not Mourinho's biggest fan and we should/could have performed better last season. Nobody will argue that the football needs to improve this season but I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed when this so-called third season meltdown doesn't materialise.
Yeah definitely, seems obvious that he will. I mean it's not like he has a long history of never lasting more than 3 years at a club or anyt.. shit.
I'm not going to argue about third season meltdown. I don't give a shit about Mourinho's previous clubs tbh.
Most of the posts I've seen have called for him to at least challenge for the title. Imo, if he doesn't, he should be shown the door. When people go on about Spurs or Liverpool it's about their football being watchable. Again, I'm not going to get into a debate about that. Don't understand why we should care what Liverpool and Spurs' expectations are.
Our own should be at lest to challenge.
Absolute shite! The expectation of the top 6 at least is to win the title. Are you telling me that with that Liverpool squad, if they didn't win the title Klopp shouldn't be sacked any more than Mourinho should??
We must be reading a different thread then. You're the only talking about challenging. Anyway no-one is going to disagree that we should be challenging at the very least, which I am sure we will.
You mean that awesome, entertaining squad which Klopp built on a relatively smaller budget which we've seen progress over the past couple of years? For a team which hasn't won the league in 30 years? Yeah I'm sticking with what I've said. But hey, I'm not the one playing the 'well Liverpool should be doing better too game'. Enjoy yourself, I don't care what Liverpool do.
If United and Jose would have won the league within his first 2 seasons, then and only then would I believe this 3rd season meltdown syndrome.
It’s all a conspiracy. Stay woke.
It’s all a conspiracy. Stay woke.
Or it could be something in between....2nd with a trophy....
Full backs would arguably have even bigger impact. I dont understand why we could not line with Rashford on the left a little behind Martial, buy a right winger who is more defensive a la Willian, and two better full backs to give us actual support, especially against teams that sit back. Instruct Pogba, Martial and Rashford to train quick transitions with runs and get a buddy for Matic if you don't like Herrera. We have players that suit an explosive playstyle but won't use them. Instead we want to copy Spurs with Eriksen and Kane.
That's silly. Of course the managers of Liverpool and Spurs won't be held to the same standards as Mourinho, they're managing smaller clubs. Smaller in terms of stature, smaller in terms of resources, smaller in terms of expectations. Those managers aren't under the same pressure as Mourinho because, all else being equal, they shouldn't have the same chance of winning major trophies as we do.
Nail on the head post. I'm baffled by our transfer policy. We need players who can come in and be first team players and replace the s*ite we currently have eg. Jones, Valencia, Young, RW
I dont understand the Lindelof signing and whilst Dalot may be a good young prospect, we need to improve next season
I am defending him cos he inherited a shit squad and people expect him to win the league title.
Yeah, I want you to utilise a Kia Picanto to overtake a Ferrari on the Autobahn.
They don’t do too much defending because they actually have defenders who can protect the ball like a mother hen protect its chics.
Neither Smalling nor Jones are good with their feet. They can’t even make accurate passes from 5 yards. Defenders who were this poor in City were summarily shipped out without sentiments.
Jose is still stuck with SAF’s acquisitions and the deadwoods purchased by LvG. What do Darmian & Blind offer to the squad? If the board is really serious, they would terminate the contracts of these mediocre players. I already know they won’t.
I like Mourinho and some of you don't. Boo hoo.
I'd be hard to have a third season meltdown when standards are as low as they are. Finishing 4th or 5th would be a meltdown in any other year of his career. If he did that next year, he'd just go "it was better than my first year, we're improving" and all that shite.
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