I think it’s bargaining from Roma in any case, but I would say 1/2 the PL teams would be more than happy to spend £15m+ on Smalling. As long as he fits into the wage structure.Hope so but dont see it. And dont see anyone offering any more than we were already offered
Agree for the most part.I know! Dont understand why we didnt take the 13m for smalling, combined with his remaining wages its worth 26 million. No use for Him and wont be a queue of buyers.
Relative to the others. However, value is always a trade off and that's more of the case post-coronavirus. Clubs aren't exactly at their strongest financially. A club might want Smalling but might think that getting Craig Cathcart on the cheap from relegated Watford will fill the gap, given the circumstances. Smalling has performed strongly in Serie A and you'd hope that Roma will come back in for him, or other Italian clubs might want to come in. What if they can get Vertonghen for free though? The whole market dynamic changes.Smalling is going to be pretty sellable this summer.
That's 50m well spent there.I have always thought we are crazy to be holding out for fees for a lot of the players We consider deadwood. I looked through contracts and wages over the remaining duration and i think we make some good money just from saving wages on a lot of them.
Phil jones has a 3 year contract left, wages 11.7m.
Rojo has 1 year left, 4.16m wages
Smalling has 2 years left, 13.25m wages
Lingard Has 1 year, 4.68m
Pereira has 3 years, 4.68m
Mata has 1 year, 8.32M
Romero(Not deadwood but likely to leave) has 1 year, 3.64M
Our fringe players are also injured often. I don't see the point on keeping Rojo, Jones and Bailly to only play Matic or something like that in CB when all of them get inevitably injured. Just get Mike back, keep Tuanzabe (who looks to be a crock too, but our academy crock) and should be fine. Maguire and Lindelof are always fit, Smalling is mostly fit.I'm leaning towards keeping the deadwood for next season.
In a normal season, we play about 60-odd games from August to May (10 months). Next season, we could have to squeeze in the same number from October to May (8 months). That will be followed by the Euros with almost no break. Our players will be shattered and we'll almost certainly pick up a lot of injuries.
I think it could be a good idea to keep the squad as big as possible. Our fringe players might not be world beaters, but it's better than picking up lots of injuries and having all our top players be knackered during the run-in as well as the start of the 2021-22 season.
So is that a long winded way of saying that you can only see us making one signing this summer or have I misinterpretedI think the depth chart is becoming quite clear now. Helps that we know Ole will play 4-2-3-1 for better or worse.
GK: De Gea, Henderson, Grant Assuming we bring Henderson back for the sake of competition and Romero leaves as some papers have suggested.
DR: Wan-Bissaka, Fosu-Mensah TFM is clearly preferred to Dalot, so should get a chance in the rotation.
DC: Lindelof, Bailly No debate.
DC: Maguire, Tuanzebe You could make an argument for Smalling instead of Tuanzebe.
DL: Shaw, Williams No debate.
CM: Pogba, Fred Fred was doing well before the break. Deserves to be in the rotation.
CM: Matic, McTominay Both signed new contracts.
RW: Sancho, James If we sign Sancho.
CAM: Fernandes, Mata Mata just signed a new contract, so I do't think we're getting a shiny replacement. Doesn't have the legs to play wide.
LW: Rashford, Pereria I think Raiola was the final nail for Lingard, hence Ole testing Pereira on the left.
ST: Martial, Greenwood, Ighalo Our forward line is fairly fluid, but I get the impression Greenwood's long term future is in the middle.
Youth players to add depth: Laird, Mengi, Bernard, Galbraith, Levitt, Mellor
Loan candidates: Garner, Chong
That leaves 6 clear-out candidates:
- Romero: Someone will snap him up for cheap - maybe one of the recently promoted sides
- Dalot: Everton heavily linked. He's the one who still holds decent value imo
- Jones: Hopefully Moyes will take him. Serie A sides also linked
- Smalling: Roma seem to have interest
- Rojo: He wants to go. Hopefully Estudiantes stump up the cash for a permanent switch
- Lingard: Hopefully Moyes will take him, or a newly promoted side
You haven't misinterpeted, you've missed the point entirely.So is that a long winded way of saying that you can only see us making one signing this summer or have I misinterpreted
Will need to sell at least two of them in order to bring in a VDB/Grealish,there is no doubt about that.Our fringe players are also injured often. I don't see the point on keeping Rojo, Jones and Bailly to only play Matic or something like that in CB when all of them get inevitably injured. Just get Mike back, keep Tuanzabe (who looks to be a crock too, but our academy crock) and should be fine. Maguire and Lindelof are always fit, Smalling is mostly fit.
I agree though that unless we sign two players (Sancho + Grealish/someone else), probably not a great idea to get rid of all of Lingard, Pereira and Mata.
Apologies for getting the wrong end of the stick and certainly didn't think I came across as toxic but if I did then sorry.You haven't misinterpeted, you've missed the point entirely.
The post, and much of this thread, is about identifying the deadwood (that's the first part of my post) and looking for potential suitors (that's the second part of my post). Aside from one small part about Sancho, it's not a comment on transfers in.
Jesus, why is this forum so toxic.
If we get both Sancho and Grealish then yes, we can get rid of all the deadwood. Bruno, Grealish, Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Ighalo and Chong for 4 positions might be slightly short, but definitely doable (especially considering that we can also go with a midfield of Matic-Fred-Pogba).Will need to sell at least two of them in order to bring in a VDB/Grealish,there is no doubt about that.
Think there is a real possibility that Chong goes out on loan and expect Mata to stick around. In regards to the other two I just cannot call where they end up at end of the window.If we get both Sancho and Grealish then yes, we can get rid of all the deadwood. Bruno, Grealish, Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Ighalo and Chong for 4 positions might be slightly short, but definitely doable (especially considering that we can also go with a midfield of Matic-Fred-Pogba).
Yes, agree with this and selling Perrera/Baily wouldnt take too much effort as there will be offers for them in this year or next year.I'd rather us shift Lingard, Rojo, Jones, Dalot and Smalling in this window and be light in areas next season than have them at the club on big wages. I'd rather see youth players get given game time over some of these jokers consistently being average at best.
Would still need a backup AM even with Sancho and a cheap CB, maybe we could get one if we can sell at least one of Lingard & Pereira this windowJust seen that scary anti-glazer twitter financial post.
It did occur to me the other day that maybe the Glazers will use Covid as an excuse to not spend any money. Perhaps there was some truth in that "net 50m spend" thing earlier on.
I think the plan is to get Sancho and maybe a cheap young CB (providing we can move on Smalling/Rojo/Jones)
If a deal can't be agreed for Sancho then I think they'll try for Dembele on loan, maybe Grealish if he agitates for Villa to lower their demands, and a cheap CB.
I think the club were aiming for this summer to be a bit like 2006 when we bought just Carrick and everything clicked in to place.
Yeah there is no doubt that is going to be the biggest sticking point for any outgoings, at the end of the day it's not other clubs fault the club were stupid enough to pay them ridiculously high wages for their abilityWages is the problem with most who are interested in our players. Will be hard to get rid of some of the deadwood.
I don't think I can remember a player so often injured, but Jones seems to have a skill of getting injured during training before transfer windows open, so he can never be sold......'
Feels like he is injured half the time so I guess half the time. Or maybe he recovers for pre season well?
Dalot has done nothing to suggest he's worth £20m to anyone.Jones & Rojo are destined to be free transfers, lack of appearances, injuries, salaries, nothing suggests any money coming in for them, but getting rid of them would save millions off the wage bill every year, which is currently just money down the drain.
I can imagine Perreira fetching £20m to return to Spain, and Smalling should raise £20m also from the Italians.
I think Dalot is well and truly out of favour, and he could also fetch £20m.
Get just those three sales done and that could effectively pay for a new top quality CB or MF.
That probably explains why they were easier to shiftThe last time we actually managed to ship off plenty of players was Van gaal second season where he let go Nani, Chicharito, Rafael, Janujaz etc. Ironically the only time we actually managed to ship off players was the kind of players we could have done without selling.