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When did we start to think that we would get money for Lingard? Seriously?
Yeah looks like we are learning our lessons from previous mistakes but will be so gutting if we still get lumbered with some of these players due to poor decisions that have made previously.Yeah but the best thing we can do is learn from this, and stop handing out long term huge contracts to players.
Hypothetically if we have a player who is 33, and has been amazing, does it not make sense to give him good money, but based on appearances or performance? I suppose players won’t be willing to accept such contracts.
Just hoped we could finally make enough to at least get another player this summerWhen did we start to think that we would get money for Lingard? Seriously?
Why wouldn't we?When did we start to think that we would get money for Lingard? Seriously?
They made sense, dont ever forget that.Yeah cos some of those contract extensions are looking like amazing value now. Amortisation to the rescue!
I have been baffled by some of out extensions, Jones and Rojo in particular. I agree the main thing is getting them off the age bill rather than transfer fees. Its stupid reasoning by fans that players like lingard, jones, pereira who arent gettig near the team and arent very good will command any sort of fee reallyYeah cos some of those contract extensions are looking like amazing value now. Amortisation to the rescue!
Feels like we will have to dig into reserves if we want Grealish & CB looking at some of those valuations, however like you say gotta be realistic about the situation and what we can get for some of these playersShipping out unwanted players has been an issue for years.
Ole is the only manager in recent time who seems capable of either loaning or selling players that he doesnt see in his long term plans.
We could easily sell 6 or 7 in this window, maybe more.
I think we have to be ruthless and ultimately adopt a more "needs must" approach in the fee's we may get for some players. The market is going to be strange and we have a tendency to over value our players.
We have to think - who benefits more by "Player X" leaving? Its us. We need them gone, and at this point its at whatever cost. Ole is shaping the mentality of the squad, he cannot do that with some of the players staying there and serving no purpose.
My assessment is this:
We need the loan players sold permanently as a priority (they wouldnt be on loan if they had a future here, they are the deadest of the deadwood):
Sanchez / Smalling / Rojo
The following all have no purpose here and need to leave:
Jones / Lingard
The following could be sold but may have a bit part role if we cant sell them:
Periera / Dalot / Mata
I think as an absolute minimum we need 5 permanent outgoings, possibly 6 or 7 depending on who is bought.
Regarding the fees - we need to be realistic.
People are stating we should not consider anything less then 30Mil for Lingard have just lost the plot for me. He's an average footballer at best. In todays market i'd take 15-20Mil for him. Thats worth more to us than him playing another season here, another minute even. Do we want to see him gone so we can improve or have him stay cos we want an unrealistic price? We wont move forward with this approach. 20Mil and his wages gone is more important for us long term.
Sanchez - just get rid. For free, for 1p. Whatever, just do not come back
Smalling - 15-20Mil but i'd take anything from 10Mil up
Jones - See Smalling
Periera - Probably around 10-15Mil
Rojo - 10-15Mil
Can definitely forget about any more signings if we get next to nothing for these playersI mean, it’s not that hard. Worst case scenario is they all go for free, it’s hard to sell players who’ve clearly failed so just get them gone at whatever price.
Smalling being linked with a 12-15m move. Why would we sell for 3.5m?Yeah cos some of those contract extensions are looking like amazing value now. Amortisation to the rescue!
Do you think we will get enough money to make a second signing this summer whether that be Grealish/CBThis isn't even news worthy. It's the same as every summer. We pay our players more than they are worth so we always struggle to find buyers.
I am guessing he is referring the value you put at 35 million for these players collectively. I am sure we can get more than that, but I think the point you were making was that even at the low prices it's worthwhile to move them.Yeah cos some of those contract extensions are looking like amazing value now. Amortisation to the rescue!
No joke, have you seen the price of pistachios in supermarkets? That's a lucrative sponsor right there.The man loves his pistachios
tis our philosphy. Buy high, sell low.We'll end up selling for cheap just to at least save on wages. Every little helps. We'll struggle to get good money as they're mostly crap, it's that simple.
`Smalling being linked with a 12-15m move. Why would we sell for 3.5m?
Lingard is an England international. Why would we sell for 3.5m?
We turned down Valencia who wanted Andreas for 15-20m just two seasons ago. Why would we sell for 3.5m?
Dalot cost 20m and was one of the highest rated youth prospects going and been linked with 15m moves. Why would we sell for 3.5m?
What isn’t amazing value is selling players for 3.5m for no reason other than you throwing your toys out of the pram.
Amortization has nothing to do with anything here. I’d be surprised if you even understand what amortization is.
Yes. In accounting terms it may have seemed sensible to someone at the club to hold on to these players. However, despite the book value of these 'assets' upon renewing their contracts they do nothing more than cannibalise United's resources. Since their value declines every year, and we've already committed the expense, why not just write them off now?I am guessing he is referring the value you put at 35 million for these players collectively. I am sure we can get more than that, but I think the point you were making was that even at the low prices it's worthwhile to move them.
It is all with the mentality.Okay, lets hang on to those players and see if we have any more luck getting the fee we want than we did with Darmian etc.
Of the players you've listed I think only Smalling has a chance of going for over £10m. I'd love to be proven wrong.
God I wish we could get those kind of prices for our players but sadly just don't see it happeningIt is all with the mentality.
We can get £50m for our players if we play this right.
We have seen players in the past go for big money, let me remind you of a few just last season:
1. Alex Iwobi £28m
2. Delph - £8m
3. Ayoze Perez - £30m
4. Seb haller - £45m
5. Billing - £15m
6. Lloyd Kelly - £14m
7. Tyrone Mings - £20m
8. Che Adams - £15m
9. Webster £20m
Lingard if sold well, can fetch £25m, Smalling £18m, Sanchez £10m, Perreira £10m , Rojo, Jones £5m = £68m
Dalot even would get us £25m.
Who knows. I assume you think Sancho is nailed on then?Do you think we will get enough money to make a second signing this summer whether that be Grealish/CB
Yeah because that one isn't reliant on selling players and think we set aside money for this deal last summerWho knows. I assume you think Sancho is nailed on then?
There are players that go for sum of money. If we sell well, we can get money for 3 players. Smalling, Lingard and Dalot.God I wish we could get those kind of prices for our players but sadly just don't see it happening
Be great to get him. Still have the nagging doubt that he's going to be largely it for us this summer if we do though. I keep seeing people say Sancho, Grealish n a CB. Where on earth are we getting that type of money from in this year of all years?Yeah because that one isn't reliant on selling players and think we set aside money for this deal last summer
Iwobi and Haller prices are crazy.It is all with the mentality.
We can get £50m for our players if we play this right.
We have seen players in the past go for big money, let me remind you of a few just last season:
1. Alex Iwobi £28m
2. Delph - £8m
3. Ayoze Perez - £30m
4. Seb haller - £45m
5. Billing - £15m
6. Lloyd Kelly - £14m
7. Tyrone Mings - £20m
8. Che Adams - £15m
9. Webster £20m
Lingard if sold well, can fetch £25m, Smalling £18m, Sanchez £10m, Perreira £10m , Rojo, Jones £5m = £68m
Dalot even would get us £25m.
Agree with you. Woody is trying to stiff Roma for £18 mill for Smalling, they offered £13 mill. just accept it. Ole dont want him. Sanchez we ought to give to Inter and save hundreds of thousands a week. Jones Rojo you wont get anyone bidding for them anyway.Honestly, I'd be willing to consider free transfer or nominal fees for a lot of our players. Who is going to pay real money for someone like Marcos Rojo? The only purpose players like him are serving right now is stopping us from allocating our wage bill to players we might actually want.
Its United's fault for giving long contracts to so many players who were clearly not up to snuff. In the last couple of years we have been daft enough to give new deals to Jones, Rojo, Andreas and others who were only ever going to be a wage sink for us. So not only can we not shift them, we're stuck with them for the foreseeable future.
Its like we don't learn: No matter how much you re-paint and clean your robin reliant nobody wants it. Nobody gives a toss about what you paid for it. They see its a banger and aren't going to be tricked into spending money on scrap. We waited and waited and waited for someone dumb enough to pay us over £10m for Darmian and, in the end, had to finally accept (what everyone could see) that nobody was going to pay that for someone who wouldn't be starting for a mid-table team.
Any or all of the following players could leave the club without weakening the squad in any way:
I'd be happy to see the bulk of those to go. If we could sell all of them for around what we sold Darmian, which was £3.5m, that'd be £35m in incoming fees. Add another £35m to that and you're reaching the kind of sums you need to buy an elite centre back or defensive midfielder.
- Romero
- Pereira
- Jones
- Smalling
- Rojo
- Dalot
- Mata
- Lingard
- Andreas
- Alexis
Woodward and Judge just have to get them out of the club.
You are not going to get £10-15 mill for Rojo or £15-20 mill for Jones or Smalling. Periera might reach £10 mill at a push but £7-8 mill more realistic. I think you would have to give Jones and Rojo anything from a free to £1-2 mill. Roma offered £13mill for Smalling and wont go beyond that.Regarding the fees - we need to be realistic.
People are stating we should not consider anything less then 30Mil for Lingard have just lost the plot for me. He's an average footballer at best. In todays market i'd take 15-20Mil for him. Thats worth more to us than him playing another season here, another minute even. Do we want to see him gone so we can improve or have him stay cos we want an unrealistic price? We wont move forward with this approach. 20Mil and his wages gone is more important for us long term.
Sanchez - just get rid. For free, for 1p. Whatever, just do not come back
Smalling - 15-20Mil but i'd take anything from 10Mil up
Jones - See Smalling
Periera - Probably around 10-15Mil
Rojo - 10-15Mil
If you take into account his salary then his value will be low. But when you look at the fact that an in form Lingard is better than the likes of iwobi they yeah 25m seems reasonableNot if you listen to some of the geniuses on here. Apparently Lingard's 'huge social media following' means we can expect clubs to bid up to 30m for him.