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So, is this something that will happen? Is this something that should happen? And can cigarette companies transition successfully enough into other products to actually support it?
Tobacco firm Philip Morris calls for ban on cigarettes within decade
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So, is this something that will happen? Is this something that should happen? And can cigarette companies transition successfully enough into other products to actually support it?
They are pushing a smokeless cigarette device instead, which seems like something far less people will use.
Interesting that they're talking about becoming a "health and wellness" company, as well purchasing a company that makes asthma inhalers. May be a savvy shift of focus for them but surely not one all cigarette companies are equipped to make?
I suppose it's good that they are coming out and saying that the preferred delivery method for nicotine is significantly harmful and should be phased out.
I can't see how it will be successful to be honest. There are other companies who have seen the writing on the wall and are gradually divesting towards alternative revenue streams (Oil and Gas companies gradually incorporating renewables is one example), but this seems more like corporate suicide since cigarettes are a mainstay of any tobacco company. I guess they are pretty much left with no choice given how smoking has gone from relatively mainstream as recently as the 90s to being banned in many places in the present.
'Hey everyone, did you know the horrible garbage we've pushed on men, women and children for nearly two centuries should actually be banned as soon as possible? Yes, we could have made this declaration at any point in the previous few decades when the link between smoking tobacco and dying painful early death was clear, but we didn't have new shit to push on people to keep the money coming in. We're all about vaping and wellness now, doncha know'.
They can feck off.
I guess the real money is in all those various stop smoking gimmicks*
*Wont work without willpower which will work without all this shit we're peddling.
Just in case you forgot how shitty these companies have been for decades. And try not to freak out at how young John Oliver looks.
*Wont work without willpower which will work without all this shit we're peddling.
Just in case you forgot how shitty these companies have been for decades. And try not to freak out at how young John Oliver looks.
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They'll pivot into weed
This would seem like a logical pivot.
About fecking time. Dunno why anyone smokes those cancer sticks.
They already pivoted to inhalers for those with respiratory illness and nicotine chewing gum. They are a health and wellness company now
https://www.ft.com/content/f0b669f3-8278-4ca9-a8ca-c54b3012d09d
https://www.reuters.com/business/he...n-pharma-push-smoke-free-products-2021-07-01/
Lets hope so, hopefully the archaic drug laws of the UK will catch up within the decade to
They were trialling it very widely in Serbia when I was there a few years ago. Looked like an oversized USB stick and you put little stick like pods into it that contained the nicotine I assume. Produced far less smoke/vapor than a vape.
Completely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
At least with alcohol the health harm is to yourself (social harm not so much) and there is a safe level of drinking. The other thing is that the tax on alcohol (in most countries) far exceeds the cost pf alcohol to the health service whereas smoking it is the opposite and kills about 4x as many people as alcohol. The other big factor is that alcohol plays such a large part in society in many countries and lots of socialising is centred on it. Smoking used to be more central to socialising than it is now but still not to the same level and of course now largely unacceptable in many places and situations.Completely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
Attitudes to alcohol may well change but I think it will be very slow and the will to change largely isn't there.
Yeah just countless families ruined for centuries, nothing much.
If this brings about the banning of cigarettes for good can I be the first to say I love you Philip Morris.
I don't think it should be banned, just like I don't think weed or alcohol should be banned.
But society should do much better at educating people on the harm they cause.
But society should do much better at educating people on the harm they cause.
would be crazy to have one of the worst impacts on public health of any company in history and then do a complete 180
Smoking as I read this!
In 2019 almost 9 million people died from heart disease so before going after Alcohol let's ban hearts and save lives.Completely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
Ugh. Every cigarette thread needs to have a whataboutism on alcohol that descends into fast food that then leads to some centrist saying everything is bad when taken too much.
Cigarettes have no place in today's world. Especially since we fully understand pros and cons. Ban couldn't come sooner.
But if they're going to ban it, it needs to slow and organic. Else all those tobacco farmers, middle men, sales and distributors all going to lose jobs. A sustainable solution needs to be put in place. Else it'll just find its way back in the black market
Cigarettes have no place in today's world. Especially since we fully understand pros and cons. Ban couldn't come sooner.
But if they're going to ban it, it needs to slow and organic. Else all those tobacco farmers, middle men, sales and distributors all going to lose jobs. A sustainable solution needs to be put in place. Else it'll just find its way back in the black market
but prohibition has been proved a spectacular failureCompletely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
why go back to that?
we'd create massive black markets, unregulated/unsafe products, and a feck-tonne of crime and incarceration
and people would still drink
Ok now apply that to any popular substance you're looking to ban
yeah I agree we shouldn't ban them (if that is your point)
I'm sure there are probably exceptions to consider, but for the most part I'm in favour of regulating (and educating)
Can you magine a prohibition era in today's climate? The murders and deaths by drink would be much worse than the 20s. And plenty willing to be the next Capone or Luciano or Schultz.
(Just so you don't think that went unnoticed.)
While we're at it, being born has a 100% casualty rate eventually, might as well ban giving birth.
And because it was a cool reference, right? Right?
Meh I'm a bit tired of this shit now. We're just going through a major pandemic and a huge chunk of those calling for this have shown themselves not to give a flying feck about public health if it impacts them negatively in any sort of way (Me, a mask? FASCHISM!) . Loads are even purposefully obtuse about it, but then they have the gall to claim to be fighting for the public good when they clearly don't give a feck.
Add to that the fact western societies are entirely too fecking old as is on average without forcing people who don't actually want to vegetate for 15 years at the end in some dim light for the elderly.
But then there's upsides to it too. If they are banned we'll get proper cigarrettes again on the black market that don't go out if left unattended, without any sort of quality check or knowledge of what chemicals are used. We might even go the heroin route and have a deadly dose of fentanyl now and then. That's worked really well.
Add to that the fact western societies are entirely too fecking old as is on average without forcing people who don't actually want to vegetate for 15 years at the end in some dim light for the elderly.
But then there's upsides to it too. If they are banned we'll get proper cigarrettes again on the black market that don't go out if left unattended, without any sort of quality check or knowledge of what chemicals are used. We might even go the heroin route and have a deadly dose of fentanyl now and then. That's worked really well.
You might be onto something, neonatal conditions caused the deaths of over 2 million babies in 2019. The 5th biggest killer worldwide that year.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death
Strangely Alcohol isn't on the list.
I guess very few people die directly from alcohol consumption, but alcohol is a contributor to many other causes of death including some on that list
And ban all processed foods, and limit all cars to 50 mph.Completely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
Ban chocolate, soft drinks, ice cream, just anything that is part of the obesity pandemic, ban everything in fact that governments decide “isn’t good for us”.
These silly humans can’t make their own choices ffs. I like the idea of this future.
It brought my family together in the first place in fairness, and no doubt hundreds of millions of orhers.
And we’re an incredibly happy bunch.
The smoking culture in some countries will be extremely hard to curb
I'm sure it is I wouldn't disagree but then how many deaths are related to junk food and the conditions eating too much of it leads to. As someone earlier in the thread quite rightly pointed out these discussions always go the same way, some balloon always brings alcohol into it and then comes junk food. It's not practical or probably even possible to ban Alcohol or Junk food as both are only dangerous if abused. And the same can be said of many other things.
I don't actually think Cigarettes should be banned outright overnight but I do find the proposal in New Zealand interesting where cigarettes wouldn't be banned but it would be illegal to sell them to anyone born after a certain date. That way they can be phased out slowly and it wouldn't kill a load of jobs overnight.
That’s actually a smart sounding initiative.
Your first paragraph was of course on the money, alcohol is a huge part of how humans interact, have fun, meet friends, partners, relax, enjoy dinners etc etc. And most importantly of all, the overwhelming majority do it in moderation. When done in moderation, it’s as “dangerous” to you as a cheeseburger.
So, to understand properly, you're against the eventual cigarettes phasing out?
I certainly didn't want to upset anyone with my opinion and yes people should have a choice whether to drink alcohol, eat fatty foods, etc. You can't ban everything. And yes I agree phasing out alcohol, if it were to happen at all, would be a much slower process probably over a century rather than a decade or two.
Anyway it was just something to throw out there to chew the cud over.
You can just read my post above yours.
You don’t understand humans beings if you think you can and should ban alcohol.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to make a case for alcohol being banned at all. I don't think booze or cigs should be banned and New Zealand's approach makes no sense to me either. It's only slightly better than banning them out-right now, but it's still illogical.