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Every time this thread is bumped without cause my heart lurches that we’re about to be linked again to this dud
It's been one of the more tedious sagas.
From the amount of posters wrongly saying we could get him for £25m last summer, last Jan etc, through to the fact everyone knows he wouldn't be a value signing as his wages would be ludicrous.
 

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Rumour is he is asking for crazy wages and a long contract
Yep that seems to be the shout, that smacks of retirement fund which equates to diminished desire, it is not what we need, I have no problem with the age, for example I would have loved Godin on a 2 year contract, he is an exceptional CB and a purist, he would perform for the love of the art of defending, pissed he decided not to sign for us last year as he did not want the upheaval of moving, now he goes to Inter.
 

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Every time this thread is bumped without cause my heart lurches that we’re about to be linked again to this dud
It’s spelled ‘dude’, with an e.
 

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Aside from a golden period of about 2-3 seasons, no. I think Vertonghen is the better CB and makes him look better than his actual level.
Well there’s no shame in not being as good as Vertonghen, and every player’s game is elevated with more suitable and higher quality teammates. I think it’s fair to say he had a season (a few years ago, can’t recall exactly which one) where he outperformed Vertonghen slightly and was the best centre half in the league, and it’s also fair to say he is not - and won’t get to - that level now.

I wouldn’t hate to see us go for him as I really don’t want to see Lindelof in the team. Sweeper/ covering defender, ball-playing defender - whatever it is he’s supposed to bring to the team it’s not good enough. Alderweireld’s distribution will at least give us something.
 

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Well there’s no shame in not being as good as Vertonghen, and every player’s game is elevated with more suitable and higher quality teammates. I think it’s fair to say he had a season (a few years ago, can’t recall exactly which one) where he outperformed Vertonghen slightly and was the best centre half in the league, and it’s also fair to say he is not - and won’t get to - that level now.

I wouldn’t hate to see us go for him as I really don’t want to see Lindelof in the team. Sweeper/ covering defender, ball-playing defender - whatever it is he’s supposed to bring to the team it’s not good enough. Alderweireld’s distribution will at least give us something.
Well we can definitely agree on lindelof, it’s fair to say I’m not his biggest fan. I do recognize he made some progress but the bar is so low he’s still not good enough. It’s no coincidence that he was in a defence that leaked 50+ goals. I just don’t see TA being the answer either. I don’t like passive defenders and he needs someone to babysit him as much as lindelof does
 

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Aside from a golden period of about 2-3 seasons, no. I think Vertonghen is the better CB and makes him look better than his actual level.
Which is about 5 levels above any of the current CB's at Utd, have to admit the snidey comments for one of the best CB's in the Prem valued at £25m are pretty laughable.

Hope he signs a new contract but can't see it, he wants a huge pay day as its his last big contract and Spurs have offered him multiple so I expect him to leave this summer.
 

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Which is about 5 levels above any of the current CB's at Utd, have to admit the snidey comments for one of the best CB's in the Prem valued at £25m are pretty laughable.

Hope he signs a new contract but can't see it, he wants a huge pay day as its his last big contract and Spurs have offered him multiple so I expect him to leave this summer.
Well as long as united aren’t mugs enough to give him that big contract I’ll be happy
 

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Alderweireld is 30 years old and no better than the CBs we currently have. I wouldn't want him even if it was on a free transfer.
 

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Alderweireld is 30 years old and no better than the CBs we currently have. I wouldn't want him even if it was on a free transfer.
Toby Alderweireld
71.2 passes per game / 88.5% accuracy
12.2 long balls per game / 59.0% accuracy

Victor Lindelöf
49.7 passes per game / 89.2% accuracy
4.4 long balls per game / 47.7% accuracy

Phil Jones
41.9 passes per game / 92.6% accuracy
2.9 long balls per game / 75.9% accuracy

Chris Smalling
39.8 passes per game / 86.2% accuracy
4.0 long balls per game / 52.5% accuracy

If we're wanting to play a modern game of having players comfortable on the ball, Toby fits that. That's just his passing stats. His clean sheet stats dick all of our players by some distance. I think he'd have decent partnership with Lindelof and would be a no brainer on a free transfer.

The mean weakness with Alderweireld is his aerial ability which is pretty mediocre.
 

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Toby Alderweireld
71.2 passes per game / 88.5% accuracy
12.2 long balls per game / 59.0% accuracy

Victor Lindelöf
49.7 passes per game / 89.2% accuracy
4.4 long balls per game / 47.7% accuracy

Phil Jones
41.9 passes per game / 92.6% accuracy
2.9 long balls per game / 75.9% accuracy

Chris Smalling
39.8 passes per game / 86.2% accuracy
4.0 long balls per game / 52.5% accuracy

If we're wanting to play a modern game of having players comfortable on the ball, Toby fits that. That's just his passing stats. His clean sheet stats dick all of our players by some distance. I think he'd have decent partnership with Lindelof and would be a no brainer on a free transfer.

The mean weakness with Alderweireld is his aerial ability which is pretty mediocre.
He's mediocre in the air and on the ground. You've just shown his long passing is mediocre too at only 59%. Everyone is assumed to be better than Jones and Smalling simply because people are sick of Jones and Smalling. I want us to sign a CB that is actually better than Jones and Smalling. That wasn't Bailly or Lindelof.
 

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He's mediocre in the air and on the ground. You've just shown his long passing is mediocre too at only 59%. Everyone is assumed to be better than Jones and Smalling simply because people are sick of Jones and Smalling. I want us to sign a CB that is actually better than Jones and Smalling. That wasn't Bailly or Lindelof.
He attempts 3 times the amount of long balls as our other CBs and Lindelof is clearly better than Jones.

This forum :lol:
 

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Well as long as united aren’t mugs enough to give him that big contract I’ll be happy
Hasn't stopped you in the past though has it.

If reports are correct he wants around what VVD is paid so that's what £170k a week, I don't think that represents a bad deal does it, I mean it's not as if he's asking for £500k a week now is it?
 

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Toby Alderweireld
71.2 passes per game / 88.5% accuracy
12.2 long balls per game / 59.0% accuracy

Victor Lindelöf
49.7 passes per game / 89.2% accuracy
4.4 long balls per game / 47.7% accuracy

Phil Jones
41.9 passes per game / 92.6% accuracy
2.9 long balls per game / 75.9% accuracy

Chris Smalling
39.8 passes per game / 86.2% accuracy
4.0 long balls per game / 52.5% accuracy

If we're wanting to play a modern game of having players comfortable on the ball, Toby fits that. That's just his passing stats. His clean sheet stats dick all of our players by some distance. I think he'd have decent partnership with Lindelof and would be a no brainer on a free transfer.

The mean weakness with Alderweireld is his aerial ability which is pretty mediocre.
So statistically smalling is a better long ball passer than lindelof and not much difference in general passing statistically

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So statistically smalling is a better long ball passer than lindelof and not much difference in general passing statistically

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The big difference between Lindelof and Smalling though is that Smalling doesn't pass as much per game, which is a big deal really for CBs these days.
 

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Having one CB that lacks pace would be bad but having two would be overkill and wouldn't allow us to play higher up the pitch. Dealing with aerial balls would also be a issue.
 

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He's mediocre in the air and on the ground. You've just shown his long passing is mediocre too at only 59%. Everyone is assumed to be better than Jones and Smalling simply because people are sick of Jones and Smalling. I want us to sign a CB that is actually better than Jones and Smalling. That wasn't Bailly or Lindelof.
He is attempting on average 20 more passes per game playing out from the back than our CB's. And attempting 12.2 long balls compared to Jones 2.9. It all goes back to what you want in a CB, if you are looking to play out from the back this is the sort of CB we should be after. No he's not a physical beast. No he isnt the best in the air, he is however very good with the ball at his feet.

So statistically smalling is a better long ball passer than lindelof and not much difference in general passing statistically

Statistics
Not a lot in it with long balls to be fair, 4.4 vs 4.0 accuracy of 47.7% to 52.5% So what, 4.8% difference at 4 attempts per game. I think 10 more passes a game is noticeable however Lindelof 49.7 vs 39.8
 

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Having one CB that lacks pace would be bad but having two would be overkill and wouldn't allow us to play higher up the pitch. Dealing with aerial balls would also be a issue.
Yeah I don’t want to ever see that pairing. It’s so bloody obvious
 

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Not getting Delight, sick of the bloody rumours with him now, just make your mind up and go to that club. Koulabaly no chance for the money they want!

Skinar, not in a deal with Lukaku, Maguire for stupid money no. Alderwiereld is £25 million hes going to make our CD better, even if it's short term, 3 year deal. We can look for another in that time surely.

I've said before I don't even think there looking at CBs
 

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I would consider looking at him for that price, shift Rojo and Bailly and for the money you get for them it would cover the transfer fee and wages, get another CB in also, if for example it was maguire, you then have, maguire, alderweireld, lindelof, jones, smalling and tuanzebe, big improvement.
 

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Which is about 5 levels above any of the current CB's at Utd, have to admit the snidey comments for one of the best CB's in the Prem valued at £25m are pretty laughable.

Hope he signs a new contract but can't see it, he wants a huge pay day as its his last big contract and Spurs have offered him multiple so I expect him to leave this summer.
Exaggeration.

Prime Rio, Prime Vidic - yes.

30 year old Alderweireld - no.
 

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Exaggeration.

Prime Rio, Prime Vidic - yes.

30 year old Alderweireld - no.
Yeah it's a complete over exaggeration to be fair but let's not pretend he isn't a clear upgrade over what you currently have because he is.

Having said that I'm pretty sure he'd want to move up and not sideways or down so I think this talk is academic anyway.
 

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Not actually that arsed if he leaves or stays, quite happy for him to feck off if he wants silly wages as long as we replace him with a decent prospect.

He's a good cb, but we've done without him in the past and he's not world class at all. Had one great season.
 

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Not actually that arsed if he leaves or stays, quite happy for him to feck off if he wants silly wages as long as we replace him with a decent prospect.

He's a good cb, but we've done without him in the past and he's not world class at all. Had one great season.
1? try 3

15/16, 16/17 and 18/19
 

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1. Have we cooled our obvious interest?
2. Has he decided to stay with Tottenham for the remainder of his contract (next season)?
3. Have spurs told him he cant leave unless the £25m contract clause is met?
4. Are there currently no takers?
5. Is it too early to making any assumptions on his future?
 

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1? try 3

15/16, 16/17 and 18/19

Certainly not great in 18/19. Good yes, but not great. Vertonghen was better.

I'll give you 2 seasons though, but 17/18 he was pretty much a non-factor and 18/19 he was a good defender but not irreplaceable like we may have thought beforehand.

I wouldn't be thrilled about losing him but like with Eriksen, I'd rather have players who want to be here.
 

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He's a very good defender, better than what we've got, but he is injury prone and we might only get a few good years out of him so we'd almost have to be looking for a replacement as soon as we'd signed him.
 

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Haha no chance. It's the exact opposite. Alderweireld has carried Vertonghan for years.
Nope, no he hasn't. This is bollocks.

Vertonghen in 17/18 was an absolute beast. His best season at the club (imo, or at least up there with his best, his first season was excellent but more due to his offensive contribution) and Alderweireld was nowhere near him for most of it.
 

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Certainly not great in 18/19. Good yes, but not great. Vertonghen was better.

I'll give you 2 seasons though, but 17/18 he was pretty much a non-factor and 18/19 he was a good defender but not irreplaceable like we may have thought beforehand.

I wouldn't be thrilled about losing him but like with Eriksen, I'd rather have players who want to be here.
Arguably our best and most consistent player outside of Son and Sissoko, I'd say he's had a great season - obviously he was down compared to his previous seasons he was still one of our best players this year so for me he's been great, I mean I don't remember any major errors or many lapses in concentration but considering a lot of players have been below par this year he's done well.

I think despite him not signing a new contract he's remained professional, could have downed tools but seemed to have won the trust of Poch which is saying something as he normally doesn't have time for players who aren't fully commited.