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Yeah, it was a joke based on the alternate meaning of the word. Thought I'd made that obvious with context.Probably because he only played 45 minutes for the first-team.
Yeah, it was a joke based on the alternate meaning of the word. Thought I'd made that obvious with context.Probably because he only played 45 minutes for the first-team.
I sent him a message asking about this Sancho pullout but no response yet.Now tell us all that's what your Guardian mate told you, then I'll believe it
You probably did but i'm not the sharpest tool in the boxYeah, it was a joke based on the alternate meaning of the word. Thought I'd made that obvious with context.
To be fair, you have to be of a certain age to get the Roy Hattersley reference.You probably did but i'm not the sharpest tool in the box
No i'm old enough, I should have got it.To be fair, you have to be of a certain age to get the Roy Hattersley reference.
Someone that can beat a man and leave him behind you. In the modern game pace and physical dynamic are important usually - but even look into the past at maradona and pele And then there is Messi. All physically dynamic loaded with tricks as were Ronaldinho and rivaldo. A rare exception is Best who could drink 10 pints and leave a man for dead with tricks. But then the opposition was no where near as physical as it is now...Can somebody please remind me what a dribbler is these days, TIA
Beckham would enter my top 10. His crosses and freekicks were so good that people forget about other parts of his game. Despite not having pace, he managed to go past defenders with skills. Not anything too aesthetically pleasing but efficient.
Yup peak Giggsy dribbling was a sight to behold.That video above of Giggs Dribbling and speed is just absurd.
Nice! He would probably make a good coach, at least for the kids and teenagers who are hoping to be like him one day. At this point he would've probably pursued it if he had any interest though.
No there hasn't been at all, have you even read the thread? Or are you putting them ahead of Best, Ronaldo, Giggs?Woeful lack of respect for Stevie Coppell and Gordon Strachan in this thread
Coppell was my all time favourite player for many years (but we had so many good players since his day, he’s dropped down the list a touch).Might've been better to list a top 5, seeing as we really haven't had that many (with great dribblers being one of football's rarities). I'd probably have a young Lee Sharpe ahead of the likes of Cantona, Charlton, RvP and Rooney who, for all their abilities, weren't really known for their dribbling skills.
Maybe Steve Coppell and Jesper Olsen would be better choices but one of the older heads would need to weigh in as I don't really remember either of them.
Ronaldo was up there alongside Best. Incredible dribbler when at United. Nani? not even in the same universe. Ronaldo single handedly ripped apart teams, and did it frequently. Nani didn't despite having very good creativity and talent.Who do you reckon are the top 10 dribblers in Man Utd history while playing for Man Utd? I think my list roughly is as follows.
1. George Best - Up there with Messi, Maradonna and Garrincha as the best dribbler of all time.
2. Ryan Giggs - Was called the next George Best for this very reason. A completely natural dribbler who also just had the pace to outrun defenders.
3. Nani - He might not have had the consistency of better players, but he had everything in his bag to beat defenders.
4. Ronaldo - Probably best player to ever play for United, but I still don't regard him as the best dribbler. He was still bloody good at it however.
5. Eric Cantona - Didn't beat defenders with pace but just had the natural skill to go past defenders.
6. Andre Kanchelshiks - Could just beat players with raw pace. Giggs said he was the fastest player he ever played with.
7. Bobby Charlton - Seemed to have a natural ability to glide past opponents in midfield.
8. Robin Van Persie - Wasn't pacey but had the natural close control and skilll to beat defenders.
9. Wayne Rooney - mostly showed this in his younger years.
10. Anthony Martial - Just seems very good at it. both pace and close control.
Cheers for the info. My family speak highly of both him and Gordon Hill. After the barren post-Busby years they were excited to see United play with genuine wingers again but I've only seen them both in old footage. Maybe Hill was more of a classic winger than Coppell? He certainly scored his fair share bangers, if YouTube is anything to go by.Coppell was my all time favourite player for many years (but we had so many good players since his day, he’s dropped down the list a touch).
Sadly retired through injury at 28. He was very highly rated in his day and considered an important player for England as well as United.
I would say he set the standard for the position of wide midfielder. High work rate, tracking back etc.
He was a good dribbler but more in the push and rush mould than tricky. He was effective and got a lot of crosses in from the byline area. Had good off-the-mark pace and could beat the full back. But he didn’t go on mazy dribbles really and whilst he was a better player than several on this list, he wasn’t near the top in terms of dribbling. (As I remember him anyway).
For some reason I can’t remember much about Hill. I do remember he and Coppell played together for a couple of years but I was a bit too young to appreciate his qualities before he was sold and seemed to pretty much disappear. I don’t think he was in the elite class though, even if popular at the time.Cheers for the info. My family speak highly of both him and Gordon Hill. After the barren post-Busby years they were excited to see United play with genuine wingers again but I've only seen them both in old footage. Maybe Hill was more of a classic winger than Coppell? He certainly scored his fair share bangers, if YouTube is anything to go by.
Gordon was class, an England international along with Stevie Coppell. As you say Stevie was more of a push and run winger, but with an exceptional engine and capable of scoring goals. Gordon didn't get the nickname Merlin for being a straight at them type winger. They were a 70's version of Kanchelskis and Giggs, in the respect one pushed and ran and the other had the tricks and guile. After being sold he suffered a knee injury which at that point effected his game, and ended up playing his final years out in the States. A good follow on twitter mind you.For some reason I can’t remember much about Hill. I do remember he and Coppell played together for a couple of years but I was a bit too young to appreciate his qualities before he was sold and seemed to pretty much disappear. I don’t think he was in the elite class though, even if popular at the time.
Hill sounds exciting. Shame his story is another of a talent dulled by injury. I read there was an outcry when he was sold but I wonder why Sexton would do such a thing. Possibly he didn’t fit the contemporary model for the wide midfielder or else it’s a mystery.Gordon was class, an England international along with Stevie Coppell. As you say Stevie was more of a push and run winger, but with an exceptional engine and capable of scoring goals. Gordon didn't get the nickname Merlin for being a straight at them type winger. They were a 70's version of Kanchelskis and Giggs, in the respect one pushed and ran and the other had the tricks and guile. After being sold he suffered a knee injury which at that point effected his game, and ended up playing his final years out in the States. A good follow on twitter mind you.
I'm going to say I'm not to shocked to see only fleeting mention of Eddie Coleman. Listen to interviews with Wilf McGuinness and he'll tell how good Coleman was. I never saw him myself, but again I don't think he'd have earned the nickname "snake hips" for nothing.
As Fergie would’ve said: “What does this player have in the stands? A magnet?”Mesmerizing.
I was only young myself at the time, I do think Gordon has mentioned the reasons why he was sold by Sexton, who got rid of a fair few of the Doc's players very quickly to suit his game. You have to remember that Sexton was much more tactical, in terms of style of play, Sexton was more LVG, whilst the Doc was closer to Fergie. He wanted to get players to suit his style more, but my god it was dull and boring.Hill sounds exciting. Shame his story is another of a talent dulled by injury. I read there was an outcry when he was sold but I wonder why Sexton would do such a thing. Possibly he didn’t fit the contemporary model for the wide midfielder or else it’s a mystery.
only because he took up most of the space himselfAnderson attacked the space better than anyone.
Cantona, Van Persie, Charlton, or Rooney weren't dribblers. Willie Morgan was a good dribbler.Who do you reckon are the top 10 dribblers in Man Utd history while playing for Man Utd? I think my list roughly is as follows.
1. George Best - Up there with Messi, Maradonna and Garrincha as the best dribbler of all time.
2. Ryan Giggs - Was called the next George Best for this very reason. A completely natural dribbler who also just had the pace to outrun defenders.
3. Nani - He might not have had the consistency of better players, but he had everything in his bag to beat defenders.
4. Ronaldo - Probably best player to ever play for United, but I still don't regard him as the best dribbler. He was still bloody good at it however.
5. Eric Cantona - Didn't beat defenders with pace but just had the natural skill to go past defenders.
6. Andre Kanchelshiks - Could just beat players with raw pace. Giggs said he was the fastest player he ever played with.
7. Bobby Charlton - Seemed to have a natural ability to glide past opponents in midfield.
8. Robin Van Persie - Wasn't pacey but had the natural close control and skilll to beat defenders.
9. Wayne Rooney - mostly showed this in his younger years.
10. Anthony Martial - Just seems very good at it. both pace and close control.
Willie Morgan had very good close control. Should be up there..My top 5 would be....
1. Best
2. Ronaldo
3. Gigs
4. Nani
5. Martial
only because he took up most of the space himself