Not having FFP yet insisting the tv deal is negotiated and split equitably is a contradiction though. How is it fair to say to United and Liverpool who could earn at least 5 times more if they negotiated their own TV deals individually that they can’t do that as it would lead to reduced competitiveness yet simultaneously state backed clubs are allowed to spend whatever they want? How does that not impact competitiveness? I’ve been saying this for the last few months; UEFA’s failure to enact and enforce FFP successfully is going to lead to a breakaway by the traditionally big clubs where they will dictate the rules. It’s now inevitable. It’s a shame and yes it’s all about money ultimately so the motives are sinister but my own personal perspective is the Champions League format has got stale and I do see the argument that only playing Barca/Madrid once every 10 years is a bit shit. Not sure I’d like playing them every year though. Or the idea of a league that undermines the PL.
European Super League
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Brilliant and terrifying at the same time.
Half-time? Don't you mean quarters? Need to have those ad breaks.
True that. These big companies make a lot of money off us zombies but there's rarely anything in it for us.
Scandalous. Should never see the light of day.
For me the Premier League is the European Super League, fans of other leagues may argue cases why teams in other leagues are better and gloat when a team from another league knocks an English team out of Europe, but the truth is just all leagues are envious of the Premier League, everything from money/fans/stadiums/competitiveness/strength of the league and worldwide appeal, the likes of Barcelona/Madrid have been trying for years to create a European Super League to end the Premier League dominance.
What is annoying to me is we have overseas billionaire owners of English clubs (namely Liverpool and Manchester United) wanting to play ball on this and all because of money.
Sure talk of this is to replace the Champions League first and foremost, but we all know the direction this is going to go or the ultimate aim for it to go and that is a European league replacing the domestic league.
What is annoying to me is we have overseas billionaire owners of English clubs (namely Liverpool and Manchester United) wanting to play ball on this and all because of money.
Sure talk of this is to replace the Champions League first and foremost, but we all know the direction this is going to go or the ultimate aim for it to go and that is a European league replacing the domestic league.
The Premiere League is the most popular league worldwide but to call it a Super League is stretching it. I mean for the last decade the best players and teams played somewhere else. A Super League is something like the NBA and the PL is obviously lightyears away from that but maybe we have a different understanding of the term Super League.
Details about the Super League.
It would have 18 teams (there could be 5 or 6 English and 2-3 french) , 34 rounds and the first four would be playing in a final four
It won't start in 2022 and It is under study if it would be played during the week or on weekends
It would have 18 teams (there could be 5 or 6 English and 2-3 french) , 34 rounds and the first four would be playing in a final four
It won't start in 2022 and It is under study if it would be played during the week or on weekends
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Once this abomination happens hopefully the rest of football (including clubs outside the big 5 countries) can group together and reform what's left for the better.
34 games plus payoff?
that can’t be done in parallel to a domestic league season.
perhaps two leagues of 9, then a playoff? That would make some sense.
noome is stupid enough to seriously suggest this as an alternative to a domestic league.
I'm terrified that the opposite will be true. The money for the rest of European club football will dwindle and we're left with second rate tournaments. Every star player will be moving for a move to the clubs in the super league.
I'm surprised Ajax is not named.
Always was supportive of this idea. The only problem I see is that while United might start strong, with time, teams in more glamorous cities are gonna surpass us.
I have no loyalty whatsoever to EPL and don't care what happens to it.
I have no loyalty whatsoever to EPL and don't care what happens to it.
That's what I thought, two groups, and options up to fourth place to continue from quarters.
An increase of 5 or 6 games with the current Champions League but not so much.
About time
not sure how it could ever work, they could not walk away from there domestic league to enter this as would just end up pretty boring, and they could not run it in place of the CL and it would take up to much game time, still more interested in how they would decide the teams that would go in to it?
You know, you are right. Who am I kidding. Presidents and prime ministers have been elected based on what they do on social media. Football is insignificant in comparison, and with the right (or wrong I should say) kind of marketing onslaught, people will get used to new formats, no matter how vacuous they are.
Fans like me would lose interest. I mean, they can't even better the current CL anthem, nevermind replace a historical tournament altogether.
Why are Arsenal even in this? They’re a shell of the team of the early 00’s.
In principle, as the world gets closer together, this could happen.How many of these fans will get bored of it winning anything though, if they’d been dominant in their own league for so long?
In principle, as the world gets closer together, this could happen.How many of these fans will get bored of it winning anything though, if they’d been dominant in their own league for so long?
You know what is more profitable than PL mystique, David vs Goliath, etc etc? Massive clubs with built-in massive fanbases who will keep following them no matter what
The superleague wouldn't be contested by Stoke or Burnely. It would be Inter and Arsenal in their place, clubs with massive global reach
Probably with a view to commercial appeal. I think they’re the most followed club in Africa.
Well it's inevitable , isn't it? Is Everton in there too?
Roma is even stranger from a merit point of view.
3 Italian titles, the last one in 00/01 is worse than 13 English ones, the last in 03/04
9 Italian cups (none since 2008) is worse than 14 FA Cups (current holders)
1 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup (1961) is worse than 1 Inter Cities Fairs Cup (1970) plus a UEFA Cup Winners Cup (1994)
They're not really great either historically or now are they? It's like they really really didn't want to put in an Ajax, one of the big Portuguese sides or big Scottish ones and shoehorned a not-so-impressive next best Italian one in there because Italy is a bigger tv market.
Lyon in, Marseille not is interesting too. They've arguably gone the other way there, rewarding more recent success. Lyon have more success this century even though Marseille's most recent Ligue 1 title was more recent than their's (09/10 vs 07/08). Marseille do have more trophies in their history though and for me have much more pulling power/overall reputation/mystique.
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Does anybody feel like we (glazers) are pushing for this now because they are afraid that if it delays to long we might be left out?
PL current standings of the clubs supposedly in talks of the breakaway league. No wonder!
Chelsea @10th
Arsenal @11th
City @13th
United @15th
Chelsea @10th
Arsenal @11th
City @13th
United @15th
There is no super league without Utd
Finally United can earn what their popularity dictates.
I would be shocked if this goes through and UEFA and FA just sits and watches. Or the fans for that matter. Clubs will lose more than gain by going forward with this stupid idea.
| Manchester United | 20 |
| Liverpool FC | 19 |
| Arsenal FC | 13 |
| Everton FC | 9 |
If the PL were to end today, United would be the supreme rulers of English football.
Gogo European Super League!
No. We have a top 3 support worldwide. The league would be fools to not invite United, considering that next to Real and Barca, we bring more money to the table than any other club.
Most on here won't agree, but personally think it's an excellent move to strongarm the smaller clubs.
Ok. My paranoid brain at work again
Why would they follow them no matter what? We already see a significant drop in the viewing numbers at the group stage of the CL because there is very little at stake. A huge part of the appeal of football is built around how high the stakes are. Existing fans might have too much investment to stop following their team but the interest will dwindle if there is significantly less drama and only one winner.
Unfortunately, I agree. They are basically a cartel intent on killing any chance of unpredictability. Problem is the more predictable things are, the less thrilling and attention commanding. But these owners are only passing them so they will probably think they can cash in in the short run relying on the already existing fan base. The long term is none of their concern.
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18th April: Five English clubs sign up, sources say Man City only "Big Six" member yet to do so
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Spurs & Arsenal would be the bottom two clubs in the Super League. So much fun for the fans.
Can't see the article but I suppose United, Liverpool, Chelsea and maybe Spurs and Leicester or Everton.
Man City only side out of the 'big six' who haven't signed up.
This just proves that the other top teams can't financially compete with City. People expect us to spend 200m+ in order to leapfrog them, it's impossible, especially in the current climate.
I think I could get behind a European league, but I still think there would need to he some level of relegation and promotion from it, down to your relevant country's domestic league.
So say pick 20 teams, bottom 3 get relegated out of it and back to their domestic league.
Of course that means that say no English teams were in in bottom 3, no English team would come up for example so there be issues there and I duno how to work that.
I just don't think I can get on board without some element of relegation.
So say pick 20 teams, bottom 3 get relegated out of it and back to their domestic league.
Of course that means that say no English teams were in in bottom 3, no English team would come up for example so there be issues there and I duno how to work that.
I just don't think I can get on board without some element of relegation.