The guy put on a good criticism for Ole without insulting him as you were claiming in the OP but then your response was to go on insulting him and any other with similar view with things like irrational, non educated, stupid, half a brain, entitled fans, etc.
There's more than enough stupidity to go round on both sides of the debate.
This is one 'myth' that really needs to die
Where did I insult the guy I quoted?
Yeah right.
Not all managers are judged the same though.
I honestly wonder if fans like you really understand real football? Ole took over a joke of a squad, the best player wanted out, half couldn't be arsed to put a full performance in and there was a sh!tload of deadwood contributing very little and taking heavy wages. He's on the way to sorting that - but there's still some way to go.
Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong point, nor is your grasp of the usage of nouns.Yeah right.
I stated that the people asking him to be replaced, are stupid and irrational.
It’s the ball so it’s not running. We move the ball fast. The positive is that we are fitter and it’s working, the only addition we need are more qualify players to play the football we want. In that sense, it’s the same for all elite teams.
Ole took over a top 7 PL team. He didn't took over a joke of a squad, I'm all for being patient and see what Ole will do next season but we don't have to talk absolute nonsense to justify that sentiment.
The whole club was a fecking mess from top to bottom when he took over; hence the sacking of 3 managers in rapid succession.
That team had motivational issues though and that’s clearly something he fixed. We do try to come back in games if it didn’t start well, and with a system that is now for drilled. The next step will be to bring more quality players to win consistently and recreate a confident mentality. I think he’s building something sustainable.
Sorry to disagree, but it was a joke of a squad - the prime example being Alexis Sanchez on a third of a million quid a week - for what? Then Pogba, who had fallen out with the manager, Herrera who wanted away, Fellaini, Darmian, Rojo, Lukaku who was out of form and sorry for himself - do I need to go on? The morale was terrible and the self belief/commitment poor - that squad couldn't score against lower level teams that City would wallop 5 past.
Totally agree, well articulated post.
Because the previous managers created the mess not because the squad was a joke. Otherwise you are basically saying that LVG and Mourinho were miracle workers and did a fantastic job since they both finished in the top 4 or close to it. But we all know that they weren't, they underperformed and got sacked. And look I'm with you here, I'm for keeping Ole but don't use silly arguments, it doesn't help your point and it's even worse when you are being condecending to people that disagree with you.
Which is a fair distance from stating that the squad was a joke and I'm for keeping him, so you don't have to sell me on that idea.
If formations are dead, then everyone should just roll out the ball and tell them to play like they trained...without structure? Without shape, as in a formation?
Yeah things like stupid, half a brain, entitled fans aren't insults to anyone who share that opinion, but of course, since I replied, I was expecting to get my share of it, not a problem for me. You're just someone who joins forums to only hear your opinion voiced by others, then get surprised and whine about how it's not the case. Not the first time I have seen this imo.
Right. A total joke of a squad. The same group of players (+Fred and Dalot) who finished comfortably second 6 months before Ole was hired (with 81 points). Who got more points on the number of matches Ole was hired than on the next season with Ole. A total joke of a squad.
Most people do. Why you're still continuing the discussion with them over multiple threads is beyond me.
Jose finished 6th in his first full season, with a fully backed transfer window (+Zlatan and Pogba), before he finished 2nd. By your logic we should absolutely stick with Ole for another year
It still wasn't a joke, the mess that you are talking about was still a team that easily qualified for the CL. You are confusing the team not matching our goals which is to be the best in the world and being a joke.
If you remember, Jose said it was the greatest achievement of his career to finish second with that squad and with what was happening behind the scenes.
Jose bragging about himself, so unexpected.
While this may be true, the whole squad was in disarray (unbalanced and with too many average players), the club was trying to sign Galacticos and failing.
Satire is cleverer than that.
Indeed, I agree that having motivational issues is a bit different than completely lacking quality. We have some quality, we do have a gap now between the starting 11 and the subs. But I thought our confidence level was really really low those recent years. I hope Ole fixes that. I still remember Rashford explaining they have not felt that sensation of keep winning until now when we had our first unbeaten streak.
Yes, spot on. It was a good team but had few holes and balance issues, biggest was lack of RW, RB, then we had issues like CB who was good defender but not good with the ball or a CB who is poor defender and decent with ball.
A lot of name calling there. You're just as bad as the people who go over the top on the other side of the argument. Stop the name calling and present your opinion in a civilized and intelligent manner.
Embarrassing.
Strong words. You might wish to reflect that finishing 2nd the season before was somewhat irrelevant to the state of the squad in December 2019 - a week's a long time in politics and 6 months is a long time in a football club.
Great post. Best way to put things into perspective for Ole out fans.
Yes, if Ole doesn't deliver in a fair time, he will be replaced. Even if he is, though, he's done a good job architecturally with the squad and will leave it in a far better place than he took it over.
Absolutely. It didn’t feel like an achievement at the time under Mourinho and we still felt like it was the wrong style of football and that it wouldn’t last under Mou. Which became reality.
Agreed. The squad won’t need a reboot like like it has when the last two managers left. Our core should stay the same for the next decade.
