Transfer Anti-Wishlist

Palmer, Rogers, Joao Gomes.

Eh/10 for Lewis Skelly, Tonali, Wharton, Baleba.
 
Wharton - average player and not much improvement on Mainoo

Baleba - this season drop off form is concerning. Not sure why would want a player who cant consistently play for a midtable club

Rogers - We need players to improve on Cunha. I think they are about the same level

Lewis-Skelly - Not a LB or a LW
 
Overhaul FC said:
Tonali is not fast.

Anderson > Baleba > Tonali

There's no way he's faster than the other players were linked with for CDM.
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Tonali is one of the fastest midfielders in the league and he combines it with immense work rate and a huge number of sprints. So yeah, he's faster than both. Give him the freedom to use the pace, and he will use it.

Edit: I looked it up, and he's ranked 4th for midfielders in Champions League for top speed. So not just among the fastest in the league, but in Europe.
 
Overhaul FC said:
My post was based on average sprint speeds recorded this season.
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but that doesnt mean how fast they are, just how often they sprint quickly. The fastest player can have the slowest average sprint speed because he doesnt go at full speed often.
 
Baleba - We valued him at £55-60m last summer after his good season, despite his poor performances and seemingly weak mentality this season Brighton supposedly still have an asking price around the £70m mark. I still wouldn't want him if it saw United paying £40-45m, too many red flags.

Lewis-Skelly- Don't dislike the lad. Just don't think he is good enough at LB for a top team or that he will play there long term. Think he will eventually switch back to CM like some Arsenal fans have suggested. I want a specialist LB and don't know enough about him in midfield.

Rogers - Think he is a talented lad on his day, but even that comes in mini moments within games. He certainly isn't worth £80m +. You pay a premium for players who will make a difference and offer something new to the team, don't think he'll add anything.

I have worries about the likes of Wharton and Gomes too, but less than those above.
 
Palmer and Rogers, actually any big money signing that doesn't play in midfield.

Tonali and Baleba for being overpriced.Asking price doesn't justify the asking price. Not even close.
 
I don't think there's anyone id not particularly want that we've been linked with, it would entirely depend on how much we pay for them.

I don't want Skelly as a LB and I don't want to overspend on players that will inhibit our spending to truly strengthen the whole squad.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
This is the biggest one.

Don’t want him and I really can’t see why we are interested.
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The thing is, Baleba's stats and performances did really seem incredibly promising last season; see the chart in the post below - he wasn't far off Rice last season for impact despite being 21. One can at least see why the club moved for him last summer. It's just mad how far he's fallen off this season.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/centre-midfielder-transfer-links.488776/post-34165323
 
So it's Anderson and who then? Apart from him, you've shit on every other link we've had so I'm interested to see who'd you'd all like to sign?
 
Hammondo said:
What's wrong with it?
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Apart from Wharton and Anderson, subpar players if our aspirations are to challenge for the league and/or match up to the elites of Europe, we need far, far better players than the underwhelming lot getting churned out for absurd prices.

And, if this is the level we're looking at, we're going nowhere fast.
 
A great idea for a thread but I'm not sure how to approach this. Some players we just don't need, such as Palmer...unless Bruno leaves, in which case then Palmer is the first on my shopping list to replace Bruno...but not at any price.
 
Fortitude said:
Apart from Wharton and Anderson, subpar players if our aspirations are to challenge for the league and/or match up to the elites of Europe, we need far, far better players than the underwhelming lot getting churned out for absurd prices.

And, if this is the level we're looking at, we're going nowhere fast.
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Wharton is definitely on the weaker side of that list, but that list is a list of players he doesnt want.
 
Hammondo said:
Wharton is definitely on the weaker side of that list, but that list is a list of players he doesnt want.
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These are players we've been linked to, which is why it's his list.

We shouldn't even be linked to such poor players.
 
Yan Diomande - Good player, but for £100m+ which is what they will want for him having spent £20m on him . Plays on the right mostly , and yet many say he actually prefers the left, sounds like another Sancho situation.I don't see how this ends up being good value for us.

Elliot Anderson - Again Nottingham Forest will be asking for £100m+ and we do not have the budget for this. We need 3 midfielder and maybe another player for LW/LB. If he had Vitinha/Pedri level potential i'd not mind, but I don't see it. for £65m+ i'd go for it though.

Morgan Rogers - I'd actually take him for maybe like £50m as a squad player. Would Aston Villa accept that fee? No. Would Rogers come to be on bench? No. would be very pointless otherwise. I do kind of rate him though, just not the elite level we need to compete at the very top.

Adam Wharton - I do want him to be fair, but just not anything over £50m. And like 75k wages. Not sure he'd accept that, so we just move onto next target.

Carlos Baleba - Anything above £40m and we;re being ripped off. So don't see this happening anytime soon.

Sandro Tonali - Mostly price issue for me. He is worth maybe £50m now because of his contract. They sell him now for that price or risk losing him for free in 2-years. But have a feeling Newcastle won't go for it.. their loss.


Bruno Guimaraes - Great player, but too old now. We can't be building a squad on a player approaching 30-years-old that we'd need to replace in couple years time. Hope we're not in for him.


Archie Gray - Big hype , I don't see it at all. Hasn't progressed at all.


Illman Ndiaye - Not really the type of winger I like, also plays on the right mostly? Everton would ask for maybe £70m+ too! Pass.


Joao Gomes - I see nothing in this player, not even as a squad player. Please god don't let this happen!


Myles Lewis-Skelly - I see us going for him too. just so we fund Arsenal to buy another better player than him.
 
Fortitude said:
These are players we've been linked to, which is why it's his list.

We shouldn't even be linked to such poor players.
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but they are super hyped and links are 95% bullshit.
 
never knew so many had seen so much of Joao Gomes!
 
Everyone's listing the targets we've been linked with, which is fair, but the main thing for me is avoiding opportunistic, Woodwardesque signings that are sure to pop up after the World Cup in what will be a congested transfer window. Real will be trying to unload a big name, for sure - but outside of Valverde (not going to happen) there are too many doubts about how even their obviously brilliant players would fit in. PSG maybe schilling one of the forward line. Chelsea duds up for grabs, as ever. Newcastle clearly putting feelers out for where they can balance the books, but I agree with the reticence on Tonali & Bruno G

Key is to not get suckered into any glamour signings and drawn-out distracting negotiations. Keep it simple and do the same as the summer past: buy proven PL performance and a couple of cheap prospects, save some cash for a 2027 transformative signing (likely to replace Bruno and a CB).
 
Gazza said:
He plays in the same league as us, so it's not that outlandish tbh
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I’m a tad sceptical it isn’t a case of one person writes him off, putting a good case forward, then a pile on of “do not want” follows.

Look close to every second post on the first page.
 
Hammondo said:
but they are super hyped and links are 95% bullshit.
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Well that's why I said 'you pray it's misdirection' and if it is, excellent.

We can't possibly be watching the best teams in Europe playing such impressively cohesive football and thinking this is the calibre of player that gets us challenging for the league or that would make us comfortable against the higher echelon in the CL.

If our aspirations are only to qualify for the CL, do little in it and chase vapour at the top end of our own league, OK. But the players we're mostly being linked to - for fortunes - are not going to come here and raise the bar significantly enough to be worth such outrageous outlay.

£80m being thrown around like confetti when we're linked -- that should be landing you Bellingham from Dortmund quality not these middling players we're mostly being linked to.

I just hope the top brass have a plan that has us bring in appropriate talent for the price because most of what we're being linked to is massively underwhelming and will cost a small fortune to compound matters. This is a really pivotal window for us and our margins for errors are small - we can't be anchored by Ugarte's so it's imperative we get it right.
 
Palmer and Rogers would be mistakes.

Not keen on Tonali either.
 
Paying more than 50mil for any of the reputed linked midfielders.
They are just not that good!
 
Any player for whom we have to pay 80 million or more. I just feel that players brought in on massive transfer fees all get bogged down under pressure of the price tag, particularly at OT.

From the PL signings of 80 Million or above, I only see Declan Rice as someone who has justified the value. So try and find the best possible player, if the price is too high, find a cheaper alternative rather than paying over the odds.
 
RedKnight88 said:
Yan Diomande - Good player, but for £100m+ which is what they will want for him having spent £20m on him . Plays on the right mostly , and yet many say he actually prefers the left, sounds like another Sancho situation.I don't see how this ends up being good value for us.

Elliot Anderson - Again Nottingham Forest will be asking for £100m+ and we do not have the budget for this. We need 3 midfielder and maybe another player for LW/LB. If he had Vitinha/Pedri level potential i'd not mind, but I don't see it. for £65m+ i'd go for it though.

Morgan Rogers - I'd actually take him for maybe like £50m as a squad player. Would Aston Villa accept that fee? No. Would Rogers come to be on bench? No. would be very pointless otherwise. I do kind of rate him though, just not the elite level we need to compete at the very top.

Adam Wharton - I do want him to be fair, but just not anything over £50m. And like 75k wages. Not sure he'd accept that, so we just move onto next target.

Carlos Baleba - Anything above £40m and we;re being ripped off. So don't see this happening anytime soon.

Sandro Tonali - Mostly price issue for me. He is worth maybe £50m now because of his contract. They sell him now for that price or risk losing him for free in 2-years. But have a feeling Newcastle won't go for it.. their loss.


Bruno Guimaraes - Great player, but too old now. We can't be building a squad on a player approaching 30-years-old that we'd need to replace in couple years time. Hope we're not in for him.


Archie Gray - Big hype , I don't see it at all. Hasn't progressed at all.


Illman Ndiaye - Not really the type of winger I like, also plays on the right mostly? Everton would ask for maybe £70m+ too! Pass.


Joao Gomes - I see nothing in this player, not even as a squad player. Please god don't let this happen!


Myles Lewis-Skelly - I see us going for him too. just so we fund Arsenal to buy another better player than him.
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Thats every linked player
 
If Anderson has given the slightest hint he may prefer City I don't want him anywhere near our club
 
Widow said:
So it's Anderson and who then? Apart from him, you've shit on every other link we've had so I'm interested to see who'd you'd all like to sign?
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Where possible we need to be looking to bring in the best players for us, rather than cramming the least worst option into a vacant position.

I’d sooner make do with a loan, or a player out of position for a season, than blow £80m+ on a compromise that we can’t sell 12 months later when it becomes obvious they aren’t “it”.
 
Guimaraes....partly age and fee, he is a really good player he just irritates the hell out of me with all the hand waving to crowd if he wins a throw in etc
 
BuzzKillington said:
Where possible we need to be looking to bring in the best players for us, rather than cramming the least worst option into a vacant position.

I’d sooner make do with a loan, or a player out of position for a season, than blow £80m+ on a compromise that we can’t sell 12 months later when it becomes obvious they aren’t “it”.
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I agree but who? The sentiment is right but we need names, out of curiosity.
 
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