We need a prime Yaya Toure in midfield even if it means without signing a striker. I’m already chuffed with the attacking options of Cunha, Mbeumo, Amad and Bruno which should guarantee lots of goals, movement and excitement, at least on paper
Transfer Chat | Discussions about tweet sources etc.
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Rice, Baleba, Caicedo, Onana, Touchmeni, Joelinton, Guimeres. The main attributes you're looking for first would be things, like speed, size, strength, cardio and then you look for these types of players that are good on the ball.
Athletic is more the term for the group of traits, if someone is seen as athletic it's usually because they have more fast twitch muscle fibres and are normally good at all things athletic like speed, strength, jumping, agility etc.
For example, Adama Traore is one of if not the most athletic people in football.
Same here , it annoys me more than it should do
Up there with a report saying you wouldn’t Believe how they look know , as if they would not age 30 years later
Hopefully 'athletic' and 'technically sound' aren't mutually exclusive.
Jesus what a post. How does defensive midfielder equal shin kicker? Ugarte isn’t athletic at all. Someone in the mould of Carrick would be perfect - positionally defensive but great going forward.
More of a Baleba sort of player. Ugarte is not the same sort of player. Will protect the defence and can also advance the play.
What's happened with him? He was really highly rated and we were linked with him before he moved to Inter. Guessing too much of a leap?
Whitwell saying Antony the closest to leaving on a permanent transfer.
Agreed. French midfielders are usually very physical aswell which is what we need
Based on what I know of Amorim - what I know we have (and lack) in midfield - I assume athletic is someone who covers a lot of ground....faster than Casemiro and Mainoo
Or maybe he wants a player from Bilbao
How has he been playing for Sevilla? I'd assume he'd cost more than the MF in Ligue Un, since he's already playing in Spain...
How would carrick satisfy the description of athletic. My original point was establishing that we need a technical midfielder, which Carrick was, not a runner?!
Fletcher would've been the athletic example, Carrick is like the opposite
Yeah because isn't kicking up a fuss on social media and not on stupidly high wages either
Surely discussed before submitting the bid no?
I wanted him from Villa, rumours Juve want to include him in a swap for Sancho, by all accounts hasn't worked for him there so not sure how to view it
This is strange. I was in the school football team with him and he was an Arsenal fan growing up.We’ve already got one…
He is an Arsenal fan I think, this might be a picture from when the media team play the staff at OT. They do it as the end of every season I think. Carl Anka and Laurie Whitwell, also of the Athletic, take part as well.
Also, apparently Ornstein is a decent footballer and was in an academy as a kid, but obviously never made it. Any truth in that?
He was decent but don’t remember him being academy level good.
Think Carrick fits the mould of the sort of player we’d actually need ie the traits the team is missing, and although he’s not strong he covers a lot of ground. Someone in the mould of Rodri or Busquets is probably more what Amorim is getting at.
Either way, athletic doesn’t = shin kicker and Ugarte in no way = athletic either
Wonder if we need a thread with a poll about which midfielder should we sign. What do you think mods?
I thought Ben Jacobs had darkened my doorstep for the last time, but alas.
Who is he flapping his gums about now
No, the striker thread is fecking pointless
This new tiers rule really isn’t working too well.
They can’t trust us to use a bit of common sense over sources, but it’s just killed any discussion.
The forum used to be fun with people debating about some tweets (which were probably engagement farming) during the off-season.
By limiting to Tier 1 - that is no longer the case. And we don’t see 400 tweets saying the same thing with different English. Where is the muppetry gone??
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it mods.
By limiting to Tier 1 - that is no longer the case. And we don’t see 400 tweets saying the same thing with different English. Where is the muppetry gone??
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it mods.
Threads aren't limited to Tier 1 - just the actual player threads because we don't want to spam up the threads with terrible tweet sources and have posters needlessly debate fake narratives. The actual twitter threads still have a broader set of sources which can be commented on.
You posted a parody account thinking it was the real player.
And? It got deleted, big fecking deal. The point still stands. It’s an internet forum, I think people just want to come and discuss what’s in the news etc and keep it lighthearted. We don’t need everything to be fact checked.
Your argument was about common sense. The problem has been that people haven't been using common sense when posting tweets and just regurgitating everything they read and taking it as fact.
It is possible for people to reference papers, or to reference that in the tweets thread there was a post from an aggregator about something.Nothing wrong with doing that for example Perhaps in the future we will look at allowing those approved aggregators too, but for now we are trying to assess a way of having moderation and self moderation working together. Allowing all tweets has led to times when there's been no mod around and then there are pages of crap because of a nonsense tweet. It's not just misinformation that can be a problem with allowing every tweet possible but a problem that's happened in the past is you get threads just clogged up by tweet after tweet. It's about finding that balance which we are still navigating and trying to assess.
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Would be very, very surprised if we dont have to pay Sancho the difference between his wages at Man Utd and at Juve the next year. Also see that the fee mentioned in Italy is in euros.
Would be happy selling him for his book value after paying him off. Also think Juve and Serie A would be a really good move him. A league that likely suit him. Hope he grows up!
Do people take it as gospel? We have pages and pages of arguments about what tier a journalist is, and whenever I’ve seen a questionable source posted, it’s usually followed up with “Are they reliable?” Etc. But I also think there’s some value to some of these journalists, as whilst they get some things wrong, they get some things right. I mean there was a whole argument about Ben Jacob’s, and we’ve recently seen Athletic journos giving him credit for I think the Mbeumo news. So they clearly do have sources which are good for some stuff. If anybody decides to hang their hat on what any journalist says then more fool them.
There should be some degree of minimum standard in terms of what is posted here. For instance, I doubt many would consider Ornstein on par with random bedroom muppet YouTubers with Twitter accounts. Therefore, we should be using a higher quality standard which favors the very highest tier of journos and discourages those who obviously have little to no credibility and in many instances are simply just monetized clickbait BS artists.
No I agree with that, but I think a legit journalist should be allowed, whilst things like “ITKs” and muppetiers not allowed, or have their separate thread for anybody who wants to live in fantasy land.
If you look in the Mbeumo thread now there’s a tweet that got called a banned source, but another poster has said it’s from a reliable Brentford journo. So I’d allow that, and they might have got a scoop before all the “Tier 1s”.
Thanks. This will be helpful when we look at changes to tweet sources at the end of the window.
I'm with you. There are many instances of journalists/outlets that aren't the most reliable providing tidbits and details that the likes of Ornstein don't often report. They also break news quite often that gets corroborated a few days after by the more reliable journalists. Laurie Whitwell has done that already this year with the Bruno and Emi Martinez rumours, choosing instead to address them when there's enough of a push by the fanbase.
Yeah. It was me who called it a banned source after looking it up and seeing similar discussions over other threads recently.
We also currently have an aggregator posting that Sancho deal to Juve is off, citing Romano but it's nowhere to be found on Romanos feed. Despite me and others trying to calm the generated hysteria people are still reacting yo the reactions.
So hard to know which way is up right now
This is why aggregators have to be closely limited to only the higher quality ones imo.
The general, recent trend which we want to avoid is posting aggregators who harvest quotes from random podcasts, then create tweets from them, where clicking on the tweet doesn't lead us to the direct quote of an established journo. We are then having to place our faith in the aggregator not deceiving us, which is not a position we want to be in. That's why aggregators have to be limited to a select list of those with a better track record of backing up their tweet claims.
It's not in his or any other Twitter feed, but Romano did indeed report that as an exclusive for GiveMeSport.
It’s hard to say what’s the best way, but in that instance I think that, whoever is posting that aggregator tweet needs to figure out where the quote is from. Sometimes I’ve seen them posted and they’re quoting something he’s said on his YouTube channel, so still a good bit of info that would otherwise get missed. But I think it’s obviously open to people abusing it and making quotes up. It would be useful if they could explain where the quote is from.