Starting this thread to cover all miscellaneous transfer related chat related to multiple players that don't tidily fit into any of the player specific threads. Please use this to discuss transfer budgets, which players need to be sold/loaned, book values, amortization costs, and beyond.
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@hellhunter - moving this in here.
My tracking of the numbers is 125m pre sales = Cunha and Mbuemo or Gyokeres (both are roughly for the same reported amount). The outstanding one will be funded by selling the rest of our players Amorim wants to out. That doesn't include other sources of income people rarely mention - the 8m from the Asia tour, the 14m saved from removing the wages of Eriksen, Lindelof, and Evans; an additional 20m saved by removing Rashford, Sancho, and Antony's wages from the books (that's not transfer fees we would earn for them, rather the total of what we paid out last year to partially cover their loan wages), a few million more through a sell on fee for Carreras to Madrid, we also have a 50% sell on fee in case OM sell Greenwood. That's somewhere between 30-40m in extra revenue that doesn't include transfer fees for any of our players. Collectively all of this adds up very quickly.
My tracking of the numbers is 125m pre sales = Cunha and Mbuemo or Gyokeres (both are roughly for the same reported amount). The outstanding one will be funded by selling the rest of our players Amorim wants to out. That doesn't include other sources of income people rarely mention - the 8m from the Asia tour, the 14m saved from removing the wages of Eriksen, Lindelof, and Evans; an additional 20m saved by removing Rashford, Sancho, and Antony's wages from the books (that's not transfer fees we would earn for them, rather the total of what we paid out last year to partially cover their loan wages), a few million more through a sell on fee for Carreras to Madrid, we also have a 50% sell on fee in case OM sell Greenwood. That's somewhere between 30-40m in extra revenue that doesn't include transfer fees for any of our players. Collectively all of this adds up very quickly.
The saved wages is a nice argument easily overlooked. The new guys earn some money as well of course, but getting Rashford and Sancho off the wage bill would be pretty big for sure
If the Club have £125m to spend plus sales then surely if Cunha is £63m paying in 3 instalments that 21m of the 125m committed nit 63m
If Mb ends up at 60 that is probably another 20m
In both case I presume there are agents and other costs to eat into the budget but it’s not hard to see how £125m can support a number of instalment buys - that all assumes the reports it is £125m for new purchases plus the net proceeds of sales
If Mb ends up at 60 that is probably another 20m
In both case I presume there are agents and other costs to eat into the budget but it’s not hard to see how £125m can support a number of instalment buys - that all assumes the reports it is £125m for new purchases plus the net proceeds of sales
Bruno said the club told him they didnt need the money from his sale, this is a good sign I guess
Hadn't seen that. Good news if true.
Yes but we're still paying installments on the last 4 years of transfer spend too remember.
I suspect the budget the club has put aside is actually a little higher than people think and there'll be at least 1 more incoming, and a couple more if we make some good sales.
Most important phase of this window is going to be the sales. I think we can all agree cunha and mbeumo are the entire summer budget pre-sales. Expecting garnacho and antony to be sold and hojlund to be loaned. No idea about sancho and rashford. Probably loan for rashford but don't see anyone agreeing a loan for sancho.
The club seems to have handled it well - told Bruno they didn't want to sell him and that it was up to him.
The big clubs willing to pay his wages are very few - maybe Barca and one or two others. He is going to want to play this coming year to ensure he makes the England squad for next summer. Bayern may also be an option given Sane looks to be gone.
I’d be very very surprised if the £125m net very isn’t taking into account Eriksen, Lindelof and Evans leaving and the £8m Asia tour. These aren’t windfalls.
The rest of what you’ve listed might happen in a very long window and the odds are that they will happen late with things become more liquid.
All those savings from out-of-contract players and the tour income were already baked into our numbers though
I don't know if that's the case, but these are obviously revenue streams people rarely mention when sizing up what we actually have available.
I always wonder if the budget is solely on reported transfer fee, or also account for agent fee and player signing fee.
We're due a fee for Marseille qualifying for the Champions League as part of the Greenwood deal. Confirmed by the Marseille president a few weeks ago.
Any idea how much this amounts to ?
Not sure whether that means 10% of the initial price they paid, or as they bought 50% it could be the total value. So I guess either £2.67m or £5.34m depending on how it's worked out.
Interesting, thanks. I suppose every little bit helps.
We’ve had so much excitement for June already (signing Cunha, Mbeumo news, Bruno staying) that suddenly going a couple of days without anything really of note on the rumours front makes it feel quite dull again.
I do wonder whether we’re in limbo now and trying to focus more on offloading.
Trying to flog Sancho is going to feel like a 5 person job.
I do wonder whether we’re in limbo now and trying to focus more on offloading.
Trying to flog Sancho is going to feel like a 5 person job.
Last summer I heard we “won the transfer window” and then we dropped to 15th place.
So I don’t get too excited about all the signings this summer.
So I don’t get too excited about all the signings this summer.
This new mini window may mean a fairly anti-climatic main transfer window. From the club's point of view, get your incoming business done early and focus outgoings in the main window maybe? From a fan point of view, if £500mil or so of business is already done by teams by the 10th June, there might now be much to be excited about?
Although, if our summer transfer saga involves offloading Rashford, Sancho and Anthony then that's as exciting as singing a marquee player.
Despite finishing 15th, last year's transfer window wasn't half bad. The team was beginning to break down but all last years signings range from serviceable to good. Much, much better than previous windows imo.
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It is good that we have a plan and we're making moves.
Good to see.
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It is good that we have a plan and we're making moves.
Good to see.
Sancho worries me. Hes out of contract next year and seems less arsed about playing and more focused on earning top dollar where he can.
Hes already refused a contract offer from Chelsea which would suggest he’s accepting his 300k at Utd and doesn’t want to budge
He’s probably waiting it out another year leave on a free, get a signing on fee to negate any loss of earnings on his current wage
Dick
Hopefully ineos can encourage some interest to get him out the door
Rashford is also a worry. Thick as thieves together with Sancho…and it looks like we’re not entertaining a peanuts offer from Barca
Garnacho and Antony would be the most likely assets to get some additional funds
Just reading the Onana out thread and it's locked until more credible links.. fair enough.
But can't we do that to like 70% of the threads in the transfer forum?
But can't we do that to like 70% of the threads in the transfer forum?
Makes no sense does it
Anyway, not liking City’s moves so far
Cherki
Reindeer
Alt Nouri
Sound purchases unfortunately, I’m sure that they’ll carry on spending more with no one batting an eyelid too.
It’ll be the higher amount given the context of the Marseille owners comments.
An extra £5m isn’t too shabby.
Autocorrect I presume?
At this point I’m just as excited to see which players we manage to offload.
The club almost certainly has a little bit more money to spend than they're letting on, even before sales/releases. I seem to recall the same while Ten Hag (?) was around. All in all, I expect our transfer business won't be too shabby come the close of the window.
We won’t be top 6 with Onana
We could get top 4 with Onana. He's not our ideal keeper, but he also isn't the fundamental problem - which is reliably scoring more goals. Solve that and we will rocket up the table very quickly.
Also, we have won the league by 18 points with Mark Bosnich as our keeper, so literally anything is possible.
Ait Nouri was. Definitely can’t be bothered learning how to spell reindeer’s name properly though
I’m worried about him too. It appears he has said yes to Barcelona. Unfortunately Barcelona didn’t ask him anything
Let's get this thread going a bit.
Start with 4 players that would be your ideal window from here, Cunha not included in the 4. I'd say go with players who might actually move this summer here rather than Bellingham, Vitinha etc
Then choose 4 that you'd accept if the first 4 could not be bought.
Here's mine
Ideal
Mbeumo, Osimen, Wharton, James Trafford
Acceptable
Mateta, Elliott Anderson, Semenyo, Matt Sels.
Start with 4 players that would be your ideal window from here, Cunha not included in the 4. I'd say go with players who might actually move this summer here rather than Bellingham, Vitinha etc
Then choose 4 that you'd accept if the first 4 could not be bought.
Here's mine
Ideal
Mbeumo, Osimen, Wharton, James Trafford
Acceptable
Mateta, Elliott Anderson, Semenyo, Matt Sels.
Wrong thread, but I think the Bruno-discussion is at the core of my sceptism towards Amorim. Good coaches are flexible and get the best out of their players. Klopp made Coutinho look brilliant, but went for a different type of attacker when he left. Ferguson played multiple different type of players. There are plenty of examples.
And I find it really, really hard to believe that a 343 looking something like this:
Mazraoui, de Ligt, Yoro; New, Bruno, New, Dorgu; Mbeumo, Cunha: New
Beats a 4231 (or even a 433) looking like this;
Mazraoui, de Ligt, Yoro, Dorgu
New, New
Mbeumo, Bruno, Cunha
New
true....but zirkzee can't run like Gyokeres and we need someone who can stretch the pitch not constantly checking for the ball and that just crowds space where the likes of Cunha and Mbuemo would want to get on teh ball
Depends who that midfielder is, only if we are going big to try and lure someone like Wharton or Larsson
I really wanted Rice back in the day but that ain't possible. Baleba is the expensive option, Ederson and Wharton are decent