He has authority over the targets. Glazers do not pick the players they only control the budget (which for transfers has been large)
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Wasn't there a big thing when Mourinho wanted to get rid of Martial that one of the Glazers intervened?He has authority over the targets. Glazers do not pick the players they only control the budget (which for transfers has been large)
I doubt they're as hands off as you're suggesting.
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If Pogba is leaving, then 2 defensive oriented midfield and Bruno + 2 flair players will be the way to move forward.
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No Jose wanted rid but others from the recruitment department did not. In fact this is one of the reasons Murtough was appointed to his current role.Wasn't there a big thing when Mourinho wanted to get rid of Martial that one of the Glazers intervened?
I doubt they're as hands off as you're suggesting.
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In that case we are doomed if he identified Ronaldo to come here. Surely they wouldn’t have been scouting Ronaldo at 36 and thought ‘he’s just what we need’. It doesn’t even make sense with the cultural reboot going for young hungry players. Therefor, he is obviously influenced by marketing value which is extremely concerning. I don’t expect to see any changes if a Ralf is reporting to him.He has authority over the targets. Glazers do not pick the players they only control the budget (which for transfers has been large)
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The Ronaldo transfer was probably okayed by Ole (at the time, Ole was a peer to Murtough with equal authority), Ole probably got influenced by SAF, and it was an opportunity as we knew back then Martial was proven not to be good enough as a starting CF, and Cavani is not reliable enough despite his quality, the transfer fee was low, in hindsight, they shouldn't have signed Ronaldo.In that case we are doomed if he identified Ronaldo to come here. Surely they wouldn’t have been scouting Ronaldo at 36 and thought ‘he’s just what we need’. It doesn’t even make sense with the cultural reboot going for young hungry players. Therefor, he is obviously influenced by marketing value which is extremely concerning. I don’t expect to see any changes if a Ralf is reporting to him.
This summer is the real test for Murtough, he'll have full authority on targets, working with RR and the incoming manager.
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Or maybe the manager really wanted RonaldoIn that case we are doomed if he identified Ronaldo to come here. Surely they wouldn’t have been scouting Ronaldo at 36 and thought ‘he’s just what we need’. It doesn’t even make sense with the cultural reboot going for young hungry players. Therefor, he is obviously influenced by marketing value which is extremely concerning. I don’t expect to see any changes if a Ralf is reporting to him.
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If they can sell 4-5 from that outgoing list, they'll go for Haaland.Tchouameni, Rice and Gallagher returning from loan would be brilliant business by Chelsea but they need to find a clinical striker if they want to challenge City next season.
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So Murtough is incompetent? WTF?Tweet
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If Murtough were incompetent, we'd be replacing him rather than appointing someone below him to take on some of his responsibilities.So Murtough is incompetent? WTF?
If the deputy will work under Murtough, then that probably isn't the case. I guess Fletcher's going to specialise with integrating the academy players into the first team and probably spend more time with the coaches rather than Murtough. The deputy may be taking the role we were expecting Fletcher to take at the start.So Murtough is incompetent? WTF?
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If he is competent why are we hiring an deputy DOF? And what the hell is going on with Ralf's consultancy?If Murtough were incompetent, we'd be replacing him rather than appointing someone below him to take on some of his responsibilities.
I'm not saying JM is incompetent just that hiring a deputy for him looks odd.
Maybe, it just doesn't seem logical to me.If the deputy will work under Murtough, then that probably isn't the case. I guess Fletcher's going to specialise with integrating the academy players into the first team and probably spend more time with the coaches rather than Murtough. The deputy may be taking the role we were expecting Fletcher to take at the start.
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Maybe this is Arnold wanting Murtough to delegate some of his workload to free him up to work closely with him on moving the club forward. Could also be something that Ralf has already identified, in that Murtough is unable to focus on the more important aspects of what his job should involve.If he is competent why are we hiring an deputy DOF? And what the hell is going on with Ralf's consultancy?
I'm not saying JM is incompetent just that hiring a deputy for him looks odd.
Looks like a positive move to me all things considered, as it shows the club continuing to put more structure into the football side of things.
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Sorry but I disagree that it’s in hindsight, many average football fan (especially Juventus fans) could confirm that this move was never going to work out. Even the red cafe opinion was nobody wanted him before we were linked. We are not even paid to specialise in transfers which is Murtough job and even we could identify it.The Ronaldo transfer was probably okayed by Ole (at the time, Ole was a peer to Murtough with equal authority), Ole probably got influenced by SAF, and it was an opportunity as we knew back then Martial was proven not to be good enough as a starting CF, and Cavani is not reliable enough despite his quality, the transfer fee was low, in hindsight, they shouldn't have signed Ronaldo.
This summer is the real test for Murtough, he'll have full authority on targets, working with RR and the incoming manager.
Surely he’s paid so much money so he can get these decisions correct and be proactive? I refuse to underestimate him and believe that this was anything other than for gaining marketing revenue and sponsorship money.
Or maybe the manager wants Haaland, Mbappe and other players but the Glazers keep saying no until he says the name that they agree with at the right price.Or maybe the manager really wanted Ronaldo
Several teams have multiple directors rather than just one. AC Milan, for example, have Frederic Massara as the top sporting director with Paolo Maldini working under him. Inter have Beppe Marotta with Piero Ausilio under him. Barcelona have a club sporting director in Rafa Yuste with two different directors under him: one for the men's team (Mateu Alemany) and one for the women's team (Xavier Puig).If he is competent why are we hiring an deputy DOF? And what the hell is going on with Ralf's consultancy?
I'm not saying JM is incompetent just that hiring a deputy for him looks odd.
Maybe, it just doesn't seem logical to me.If the deputy will work under Murtough, then that probably isn't the case. I guess Fletcher's going to specialise with integrating the academy players into the first team and probably spend more time with the coaches rather than Murtough. The deputy may be taking the role we were expecting Fletcher to take at the start.
Now that I think about it, I think the deputy can help with distributing the workload between the men's and women's team.
On Rangnick, I don't think he was ever going to have an active role in the club after this spell. As a consultant, he can focus on his own endeavours whilst being available to offer some expert advice when needed. If we needed him in a more active role, then we'd have made him a director alongside/under Murtough.
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Hmmm, don't feel like they're the same in any way.We just wasted Martial after keeping him for 7 years at the club and now want a younger version of Martial.
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Since establishing the current football structure at the club, where Murtough was appointed as Football Director (essentially a DoF), numerous departments and people report into Murtough, like Scouting & Recruitment, Football Academy, Football Operations, Data Science, Sports Science etc...If he is competent why are we hiring an deputy DOF? And what the hell is going on with Ralf's consultancy?
I'm not saying JM is incompetent just that hiring a deputy for him looks odd.
Maybe, it just doesn't seem logical to me.
The Deputy DoF will take on some of the load from Murtough, since Murtough will be busy with the recruitment process of the next permanent manager /head coach, as well as players recruitment.
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Exactly what he's being hired to do. A consultancy.If he is competent why are we hiring an deputy DOF? And what the hell is going on with Ralf's consultancy?
I'm not saying JM is incompetent just that hiring a deputy for him looks odd.
Maybe, it just doesn't seem logical to me.
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For them, Ole, his coaching staff that included Phelan, Murtough, and others in the club saw a value in bringing Ronaldo, what you , me, and the average fan thought, at that time, of the potential of bringing in Ronaldo doesn't matter, what mattered is what the folks at the club thought, and what I meant when I mentioned Hindsight was theirs, not us outsiders.Sorry but I disagree that it’s in hindsight, many average football fan (especially Juventus fans) could confirm that this move was never going to work out. Even the red cafe opinion was nobody wanted him before we were linked. We are not even paid to specialise in transfers which is Murtough job and even we could identify it.
Surely he’s paid so much money so he can get these decisions correct and be proactive? I refuse to underestimate him and believe that this was anything other than for gaining marketing revenue and sponsorship money.
At that time, Ole clearly thought Ronaldo will be a good addition to the team (reports said that SAF convinced Ole), Ole was a permanent manager before the current football structure was put in place, so Ole reported directly to Woodard and had an equal authority or probably a higher authority than to Murtough.
Look, I understand why you have valid and fair reservation against Murtough, I do too, but I believe this coming summer is the real test of the new football structure at the club, which manager will be hired?, what kind players they target and bring?, what would they about the players not needed in the squad?, etc... so let's see what they do in the summer .
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Fair enough good points. I fully agree, we can wait to fairly judge him after this huge summer for the club is over.For them, Ole, his coaching staff that included Phelan, Murtough, and others in the club saw a value in bringing Ronaldo, what you , me, and the average fan thought, at that time, of the potential of bringing in Ronaldo doesn't matter, what mattered is what the folks at the club thought, and what I meant when I mentioned Hindsight was theirs, not us outsiders.
At that time, Ole clearly thought Ronaldo will be a good addition to the team (reports said that SAF convinced Ole), Ole was a permanent manager before the current football structure was put in place, so Ole reported directly to Woodard and had an equal authority or probably a higher authority than to Murtough.
Look, I understand why you have valid and fair reservation against Murtough, I do too, but I believe this coming summer is the real test of the new football structure at the club, which manager will be hired?, what kind players they target and bring?, what would they about the players not needed in the squad?, etc... so let's see what they do in the summer .
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Ok sorry for detailing the twitter thread too, good debate!
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Maybe this is Arnold wanting Murtough to delegate some of his workload to free him up to work closely with him on moving the club forward. Could also be something that Ralf has already identified, in that Murtough is unable to focus on the more important aspects of what his job should involve.
Looks like a positive move to me all things considered, as it shows the club continuing to put more structure into the football side of things.
Fair points all. Cheers.Several teams have multiple directors rather than just one. AC Milan, for example, have Frederic Massara as the top sporting director with Paolo Maldini working under him. Inter have Beppe Marotta with Piero Ausilio under him. Barcelona have a club sporting director in Rafa Yuste with two different directors under him: one for the men's team (Mateu Alemany) and one for the women's team (Xavier Puig).
Now that I think about it, I think the deputy can help with distributing the workload between the men's and women's team.
On Rangnick, I don't think he was ever going to have an active role in the club after this spell. As a consultant, he can focus on his own endeavours whilst being available to offer some expert advice when needed. If we needed him in a more active role, then we'd have made him a director alongside/under Murtough.
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That can be a lot of things. When he was hired it was portrayed as very high touch but as time goes by it seems like it's going to be a Zoom consultancy.Exactly what he's being hired to do. A consultancy.
He plays nothing like Martial.... He actually runs and is dynamic.We just wasted Martial after keeping him for 7 years at the club and now want a younger version of Martial.
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I’m not sure what gives you that impression, absolutely no detail has been given by the club or Rangnick about future arrangements.That can be a lot of things. When he was hired it was portrayed as very high touch but as time goes by it seems like it's going to be a Zoom consultancy.
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What is this witchcraft you speak of? RUNNING? Where is the leaking and brand building. Do not want.He plays nothing like Martial.... He actually runs and is dynamic.
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To be fair it's precisely because of the lack of detail. Typically when an organization clams up about a proposed arrangement they've been trumpeting it's because it's going to be less than what they portrayed it would be.I’m not sure what gives you that impression, absolutely no detail has been given by the club or Rangnick about future arrangements.
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Fair enough and I see where you are coming from, but I would be sceptical about Rangnick leaving his post in Moscow for a 6 month gig and occasional video conference. The way he talks when referencing the club would lead me to suspect he’ll be very involved next season. Personally I kinda expect him to still be manager…To be fair it's precisely because of the lack of detail. Typically when an organization clams up about a proposed arrangement they've been trumpeting it's because it's going to be less than what they portrayed it would be.
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That's assuming the people above murtough aren't entirely incompetentIf Murtough were incompetent, we'd be replacing him rather than appointing someone below him to take on some of his responsibilities.
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