Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25

UTD_Since_1978 said:
And we are still losing at home to Brighton & CP, so much for your idea of improvements.
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I didn't say they were improvements in that post, I just highlighted how we've conducted our transfer business so far.

For your argument's sake, I do believe they were improvements on what we had by the time we sold/released those players. ETH was sacked because he wasn't getting performances out of those players. Amorim will go down the same path if he doesn't get performances out of them as he's somehow made us worse than we were under ETH. Us looking barely any better than a relegation team is on Amorim.
 
Withnail said:
Casemiro was a panic buy wasn't he? I thought that's what had been reported since.
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No, he wasn't.

We was in contact with him long before it was reported we were in for him. After the brentford game his signing got accelerated, you could say that is an element of panicking, but at the time we were chasing De Jong if I remember correctly and when it looked like it weren't happening we pulled the trigger on Casemiro.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
It's a good point. And like you say, it covers both windows of the season not just January.

We've been desperate for goals for a good few years now, and so far the signings over the two windows for INEOS have been about 95% defensive minded players, with just Zirkzee as attack minded.

We've signed Mazraoui, Yoro, De Ligt, Heaven, Leon, Dorgu for defence. DM's Ugarte and Kone as the only midfielders. And more creative than scorer Zirkzee as the only attack minded player.

That's 1 out of 9, and he's not a #9 or a proven scorer.

That's been a very poor choice of distribution of signings. We knew we had ongoing problems scoring, and yet have pretty much neglected that problem in both windows. And guess what happens? We continue to have trouble scoring and it's looking like a nightmare season.

The excuse 'not making mistakes of the past' would ring more true if they'd successfully corrected the ongoing striker problem, and not made the same mistake by leaving us blunt up top once again. The only difference if they've made no attempt to solve it, rather than a tried and failed one. I was rather hoping all those people had been employed so that the difference would be that we'd try and succeed instead.
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a big part of it was gambling on rashford scoring more than last season and expecting hojlund to develop. remember that we started the season with ten hag, who seemed very comfortable playing hojlund up top, with some mix of wide players from rashford, antony, garnacho, and amad who he played far less than he should. i think we gambled that hojlund and rashford would both hit 15-20 and the garnacho and bruno would be around 10+, then added zirkzee to make up some shortfall from last season. got it all wrong obviously.

trying to be more positive, out of the 9 you listed, i would say most are the profile of player we hoped for. a mix of solid established players and young potential. we did desperately need defenders and a dm, but again, i thought it was very clear we needed an experienced striker who might even be a sub but some sort of plan b.
 
Dannn411 said:
Right now, I really think our ceiling is 16th. Spurs, Everton and West Ham are all within 3 points of us and are all better teams. I expect them all to jump ahead of us in the table after our next loss to Spurs. Wolves are also better than we are but are far away enough (10 points) that we can hopefully somehow hold 16th. Well on track for the second worst season in the 147-year history of Manchester United. Shameful.
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And the worst part is Amorim is getting a free pass, he needs to start wining games or he can go to with Berrada!
 
Gazza said:
I mean, he's clearly not getting a free pass when you see the pages and pages of dreck posted in the Utd forum, but yeah that's "the worst part" :)
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Losing 54% of your PL games will do that, no other big team in Europe would tolerate that loss rate in their domestic League, SJR is not patient, if he doesn’t stop losing games he’ll be gone before the summer!
 
Woziak said:
Losing 54% of your PL games will do that, no other big team in Europe would tolerate that loss rate in their domestic League, SJR is not patient, if he doesn’t stop losing games he’ll be gone before the summer!
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He's not going anywhere before the summer. Obviously. He'll be given a fair crack at next season too. The desperation and childish impatience is pretty laughable.
 
SER19 said:
We desperately needed a striker, but we signed Dorgu, Leon and Heaven. Sometimes maybe we need to simply look at our signings to see our strategy and it looks as if we've done what many have wanted for years. Signed younger hungry players that can be developed.

Don't get me wrong I want fast improvement too, but the time to sign a top striker was last summer
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They will.....we desperately need wingbacks. One down, one to go.
 
Cee90 said:
Wild take.

How you can say the fans are partly to blame for the mismanagement of the club is crazy to me.

The fans want what is best for the club and for us to be ambitious in the market and perform on the pitch.

Even if the management felt pressure from the fans to buy players, it is their responsibility to buy the right players and pay a fair price for them. If they felt pressured by fans this is simply weak leadership.

That directionless leadership is the reason we are where we are today, not the fans ffs.
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This is SO naive.

Look around the world at major businesses, businesses far, far bigger than Manchester United (which is actually majorly small time in the grand scheme of things).

You don't think these businesses make bad decisions due to customer pressure? That's all fans actually are - customers. Same as movie goers or people going to gigs etc.

Yes, businesses make terrible decisions in attempts to appease customers ALL the time.

Disney are a recent, very high profile example of this. They are miles bigger than Manchester United. You think that keeps them safe from caving to consumer pressure?

Money makes the world go round. Customers, fans, consumers are what bring money to the table. When they shout loud enough, many companies can (and do) react to it, even if it's clearly the wrong thing to do.

Do you think the club's handling of the Greenwood situation wasn't affected by fan sentiment at all? Maybe you agree with that though because it aligns with your view on it.... But then you're cherry picking when you're happy with companies listening to consumers and when you aren't......

The George Floyd situation was affected HUGELY by public sentiment. If the justice system of one of the most powerful nations in the country can be steered by public sentiment, do you really think a football club in England can't?

Why have fans been protesting if they think leadership is immune to their opinions? You can't on one hand buy into fans being the most important thing about a club and then on the other just assume the hierarchy won't be swayed by them.....

Fans voices do have an impact. A massive one. You can like it or not, it's irrelevant, it's how it is and will continue to be.
 
Fox outside the box said:
This is SO naive.

Look around the world at major businesses, businesses far, far bigger than Manchester United (which is actually majorly small time in the grand scheme of things).

You don't think these businesses make bad decisions due to customer pressure? That's all fans actually are - customers. Same as movie goers or people going to gigs etc.

Yes, businesses make terrible decisions in attempts to appease customers ALL the time.

Disney are a recent, very high profile example of this. They are miles bigger than Manchester United. You think that keeps them safe from caving to consumer pressure?

Money makes the world go round. Customers, fans, consumers are what bring money to the table. When they shout loud enough, many companies can (and do) react to it, even if it's clearly the wrong thing to do.

Do you think the club's handling of the Greenwood situation wasn't affected by fan sentiment at all? Maybe you agree with that though because it aligns with your view on it.... But then you're cherry picking when you're happy with companies listening to consumers and when you aren't......

The George Floyd situation was affected HUGELY by public sentiment. If the justice system of one of the most powerful nations in the country can be steered by public sentiment, do you really think a football club in England can't?

Why have fans been protesting if they think leadership is immune to their opinions? You can't on one hand buy into fans being the most important thing about a club and then on the other just assume the hierarchy won't be swayed by them.....

Fans voices do have an impact. A massive one. You can like it or not, it's irrelevant, it's how it is and will continue to be.
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So just so I understand, you agree with that poster that the fans are at fault for our demise and bad transfer dealings?
 
Fox outside the box said:
This is SO naive.

Look around the world at major businesses, businesses far, far bigger than Manchester United (which is actually majorly small time in the grand scheme of things).

You don't think these businesses make bad decisions due to customer pressure? That's all fans actually are - customers. Same as movie goers or people going to gigs etc.

Yes, businesses make terrible decisions in attempts to appease customers ALL the time.

Disney are a recent, very high profile example of this. They are miles bigger than Manchester United. You think that keeps them safe from caving to consumer pressure?

Money makes the world go round. Customers, fans, consumers are what bring money to the table. When they shout loud enough, many companies can (and do) react to it, even if it's clearly the wrong thing to do.

Do you think the club's handling of the Greenwood situation wasn't affected by fan sentiment at all? Maybe you agree with that though because it aligns with your view on it.... But then you're cherry picking when you're happy with companies listening to consumers and when you aren't......

The George Floyd situation was affected HUGELY by public sentiment. If the justice system of one of the most powerful nations in the country can be steered by public sentiment, do you really think a football club in England can't?

Why have fans been protesting if they think leadership is immune to their opinions? You can't on one hand buy into fans being the most important thing about a club and then on the other just assume the hierarchy won't be swayed by them.....

Fans voices do have an impact. A massive one. You can like it or not, it's irrelevant, it's how it is and will continue to be.
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So are you implying that George Floyd’s killers would or maybe should have not been convicted had it not been for public sentiment?
 
Dannn411 said:
Right now, I really think our ceiling is 16th. Spurs, Everton and West Ham are all within 3 points of us and are all better teams. I expect them all to jump ahead of us in the table after our next loss to Spurs. Wolves are also better than we are but are far away enough (10 points) that we can hopefully somehow hold 16th. Well on track for the second worst season in the 147-year history of Manchester United. Shameful.
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I was about to say we might be spurs as we usually do better against the better teams in the league. But there even below us so they’ll probably beat us.
 
Pav1878 said:
So are you implying that George Floyd’s killers would or maybe should have not been convicted had it not been for public sentiment?
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No, I didn't imply anything of the sort.

I was referring to the president of one of the most powerful countries in the world referencing they should be found guilty prior to a trial. He did this purely because of public sentiment and pressure.

Any conviction or the outcome of it are a completely separate discussion. The point we are discussing here is whether or not football clubs can be impacted by public pressure. When the president of the US is effectively ignoring "innocent until proven guilty" then you can be absolutely sure an English football club is going to say and do things based on fan pressure.

Biden doing this is wrong even if a guilty conviction was later then correct. Just like it would be wrong of me to tell someone they had committed gross misconduct prior to an investigation, even if the investigation then determined they had in fact committed gross misconduct.

It's purely an observation of the previous poster's naivety that a football club should be so slick and professional that it's immune to fan pressure.

Nobody is. Not Manchester united. Not Disney. Not Coca Cola and not the government of the USA. Should fans impact what a club does? If you ask me then absolutely not, as a demographic football fans are badly informed, inexperienced, emotional, irrational and delusional. But the simple fact of the matter is they DO impact the club's decisions. Maybe not dictate it but they do impact it.

How many managers have been sacked largely because of supporter unrest? It will happen every single season in basically every country and league.

If Manchester United fans really didn't think they had any influence on anything what so ever then protesting would be completely pointless. We protest because even if it's small, it has an impact and you are hoping to affect the decision making process. Which protests also of course will do.
 


Kane's going to be 32 soo, and he's slow, though evidently still a great goalscorer, but I think the window for this has passed - and I don't think he'd offer the dynamism we need upfront
 
TsuWave said:


Kane's going to be 32 soo, and he's slow, though evidently still a great goalscorer, but I think the window for this has passed - and I don't think he'd offer the dynamism we need upfront
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I call BS. Not that it's a tough call to make. What happened to "making our own Mbappes? A lot of the signings we have made since INEOS point to the change in transfer strategy where we are looking at younger players. I might even add Wilcox especially has preferred signings athletic players. Kane is a great player of course but would be expensive as feck while being slow as shit in a team that's already lacking in the physical department.
 
SAF brought in RVP as the icing on the cake to win a final PL. If we were there, or there abouts, then he could be the guy to get us over the line. He's not the striker we need, right now.

Arsenal could use him next season, they might well win the league with Kane's goals, but that's never going to happen.
 
TsuWave said:


Kane's going to be 32 soo, and he's slow, though evidently still a great goalscorer, but I think the window for this has passed - and I don't think he'd offer the dynamism we need upfront
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Same Sir Jim who called out the signing of Casemiro as a wrong step? Yeah he may well be a fan, but won't be looking to make him top earner at the club.
 
TsuWave said:


Kane's going to be 32 soo, and he's slow, though evidently still a great goalscorer, but I think the window for this has passed - and I don't think he'd offer the dynamism we need upfront
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I wouldn't put much stock into that report. It's based off of historical interest and comes after the recent news about Kane's release clause.
 
TsuWave said:


Kane's going to be 32 soo, and he's slow, though evidently still a great goalscorer, but I think the window for this has passed - and I don't think he'd offer the dynamism we need upfront
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Absolutely stinks of bs. Completely goes against what we're trying to achieve in having bloated wages for old wages.
 
JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo said:
They would not have been convicted had someone not filmed it.
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Yes but that is a case of evidence. Those police officers were rightly convicted, regardless of public pressure or not.

Public pressure or opinion doesn’t always sway governments or big companies.
 
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