Tuchel or Nagelsmann

I guess everybody assumes he will join Madrid soon.
Ancelloti seems to have really settled there and looked like he can last another 2-3 years. Where else we might have an immediate job opening or latest this summer.
 
Tuchel is the more polished option. He also a manager that can think outside of the box when it comes to setting his teams up. It's no coincidence that both PSG and Chelsea had pretty successful periods under him. However, historically Tuchel has had a tendency of nailing plan A but then not really having a plan B or backup to fall back on. Another worry but this could just be me, is that Tuchel may be burnt out. He's had 4 big jobs in succession - he's been managing since 2009, which is nearly as long as Pep. I do worry about bringing someone in who's had 3 high profile exits. At PSG it feels like he fell out with everyone, at Chelsea he rightfully was fed up with the ownership situation and at Bayern he apparently pissed off the players after questioning their 'credentials'.

Nagelsmann on the other hand is much more of a fresher option, albeit someone who still comes across as not fully developed as a manager. IMO his Bayern tenure was more of a reflection on the poor state of the club rather than his ability to coach. Nagelsmann showed as Germany manager he's still a top coach - the way he got that team playing well so quickly is pretty remarkable for an international side. I have heard that he didn't fit the big club culture of Bayern, so maybe that's something to bare in mind but i really like the idea of hiring a manager who is very good but has room to grow. Big issue with Nagelsmann is feasibility. If you're in his shoes, would you leave the Germany job now, especially since the team looks to be on the up again?

Exactly, we have no chance of getting him.
 
Get Tuchel. Do really well or win a big trophy (PL/CL) to dispell we're on decline and re-evaluate afterwards. He's quite good at winning. Turning crap afterwards shouldn't be much of a concern. The club shouldn't operate like that anymore.
 
Get Tuchel. Do really well or win a big trophy (PL/CL) to dispell we're on decline and re-evaluate afterwards. He's quite good at winning. Turning crap afterwards shouldn't be much of a concern. The club shouldn't operate like that anymore.

He’s only won titles at PsG and Bayern, and inexplicably managed to lose them there also. Absolutely any clown wins titles at those clubs.
He was shite in the Premier League and is the most overrated manager in football due to a Di Matteo-esque CL fluke.
 
He’s only won titles at PsG and Bayern, and inexplicably managed to lose them there also. Absolutely any clown wins titles at those clubs.
He was shite in the Premier League and is the most overrated manager in football due to a Di Matteo-esque CL fluke.
What’s so flukey about his CL win?
 
Geniune question, but what has Naglesman done that everyone on here considers him like an amazing option.

Had a good stint at RB and then underwhelmed at Bayern. What exactly is so special about him, besides his age?
 
Geniune question, but what has Naglesman done that everyone on here considers him like an amazing option.

Had a good stint at RB and then underwhelmed at Bayern. What exactly is so special about him, besides his age?
Nothing. Also, he'll also try and play a system that is not suited to the players and will get exposed just like ETH.
 
He’s only won titles at PsG and Bayern, and inexplicably managed to lose them there also. Absolutely any clown wins titles at those clubs.
He was shite in the Premier League and is the most overrated manager in football due to a Di Matteo-esque CL fluke.
Fluke? He has an average of 1.96 points per game in the CL over 67 matches. Calling it a fluke is just plain wrong.
 
Zsolt Low and Arno Michels are two that were with him at Bayern and Chelsea, PSG. Low still not at a club, nor is Arno Michels that has been with Tuchel for many years at various clubs.

Probably waiting for Tuchel to get a job
Ok cheers, you would assume they would be coming with him then, weirdly seems a shame for Ruud and Hake if they get the chop because of Hag but that’s football I guess.
 
Get Tuchel. Do really well or win a big trophy (PL/CL) to dispell we're on decline and re-evaluate afterwards. He's quite good at winning. Turning crap afterwards shouldn't be much of a concern. The club shouldn't operate like that anymore.

I see your point, but I'm not really comfortable with that approach. I think the most fundamental and urgent challenge the club is facing is the need to create a functional, unified and reasonably harmonious football structure, because I don't think real and sustainable progress is going to be made until that is the case. And I doubt how Tuchel fits into that.
 
Does Tuchel have other coaches that he brings with him? or would he be happy to work with the likes of Ruud and Hake?
I think with new management he would be allowed to bring in a assistant or so. They shouldn't be allowed to bring in whoever they want or shouldnt be allowed to have full control on the signings as well.
 
Geniune question, but what has Naglesman done that everyone on here considers him like an amazing option.

Had a good stint at RB and then underwhelmed at Bayern. What exactly is so special about him, besides his age?
He also managed to save Hoffenheim in a relegation battle that was seen as hopeless (which is more or less the only reason he got the job, they thought it would be a nice option to give him experience and rebuild with him in the second Bundesliga) and to qualify with Hoffenheim for the CL (only time in their short history). Which also makes him the youngest manager to coach three different clubs in the CL (there is the age again).
 
I have been wanting Tuchel for a while. I feel like our squad has a lot of mentally fragile, emotional players in it and we have spent too many years being nicey nice with them all. Tuchel comes in and its Sink or swim for all the players, either way, its win win..... If they sink, bye bye. if they swim, game on!
 
I have been wanting Tuchel for a while. I feel like our squad has a lot of mentally fragile, emotional players in it and we have spent too many years being nicey nice with them all. Tuchel comes in and its Sink or swim for all the players, either way, its win win..... If they sink, bye bye. if they swim, game on!

"Being nicey"? Mourinho, Rangnick and ten Hag?
 
He’s only won titles at PsG and Bayern, and inexplicably managed to lose them there also. Absolutely any clown wins titles at those clubs.
He was shite in the Premier League and is the most overrated manager in football due to a Di Matteo-esque CL fluke.
His single full season in the PL wasn’t shit. Chelsea were at the top of the league against peak Liverpool and City until they lost James and Chilwell to long injuries. They ended up in 3rd.

The CL run wasn’t a fluke like the one before. They fully deserved this one by playing better than their opponents.
 
Ancelloti seems to have really settled there and looked like he can last another 2-3 years. Where else we might have an immediate job opening or latest this summer.
Why would Alonso want to join Utd when he rejected his former club Bayern in the summer because he's enjoying his Leverkusen stint getting good results? Anytime he's done with the Aspirins he'll be in demand at his former employers Liverpool, Bayern, Madrid and most top CL clubs... Utd fans need to be realistic and understand the club isn't as big of a draw as it once was because Manchester United is a byword for systemic internal chaos and mismanagement in recent years.
 
Aura

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https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/2029396--man-utd-vs-leipzig/
 
Don't know. Neither of them fill me with much excitement. They might come in and do a decent job for 12 months or so but ultimately our biggest problem is recruitment. We buy in some amount of overpriced shite.
 
"Being nicey"? Mourinho, Rangnick and ten Hag?
Moureen wasn't allowed to be as cut throat as he wanted to be. He wanted to get rid of the likes of Pogba and Martial, and we all thought he was insane, including the board. Turns out he was right.
Rangnick was a softly spoken German gentleman. Even when he called players out it was in a nice way and ETH has zero respect within the team, this is obvious when you watch the team play. His opinions hold no water within the team, they all know he is toast and is going soon.
 
Think the criticism of Tuchel's personality is a bit unfair.


Literally every elite manager follows the "sink and swim" policy with the players. Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola and all the big managers fall out with players and get rid of them. All of them are big personalities with a huge ego.


The managers who are too nice and friendly with players, never succeed at the highest level.
 
Nagelsmann is the more exciting option - more of an unknown.

I don't know what stage of his trajectory Tuchel is at the moment. Is he on course for a Conte/Mourinho type of decline? Or Bayern was just a little blip.
 
Nagelsmann is the more exciting option - more of an unknown.

I don't know what stage of his trajectory Tuchel is at the moment. Is he on course for a Conte/Mourinho type of decline? Or Bayern was just a little blip.
He reached the CL semis and tactically outclassed Madrid in the semis. Can't be that bad.
 
Tuchel or Nagelsmann? Only one of them is available and it was decided he wasn't right for the job in the summer anyway, be that Tuchel deciding it or United. So probably neither.
 
Moureen wasn't allowed to be as cut throat as he wanted to be. He wanted to get rid of the likes of Pogba and Martial, and we all thought he was insane, including the board. Turns out he was right.
Rangnick was a softly spoken German gentleman. Even when he called players out it was in a nice way and ETH has zero respect within the team, this is obvious when you watch the team play. His opinions hold no water within the team, they all know he is toast and is going soon.
You're curve-fitting. Doubt Tuchel would make you any happier.
 
Probably if British coaches went over and coached clubs in Europe first they would get more recognition.
It won't be long before Kompany starts getting talked about as a great coach because of his success with Bayern:nervous:
Because he isn’t English?
 
He’s only won titles at PsG and Bayern, and inexplicably managed to lose them there also. Absolutely any clown wins titles at those clubs.
He was shite in the Premier League and is the most overrated manager in football due to a Di Matteo-esque CL fluke.

Embarrassing post
 
having watched quite a few Bayern matches under his tenure, I have absolutely no idea why people keep fawning over the possibility of appointing Tuchel. Boring football, stubborn personality and always seems to have a meltdown in him. I see absolutely nothing enticing about appointing him, and I'm sure it would only end in tears.
 
Tuchel doesn't exactly have a stellar history of keeping his job for more than a few years, beyond which he turned us down this summer, allegedly because we wouldn't give him complete control of transfers. I'd rather we waited until early next year when more candidates may be available before committing to a new long term manager.
We need to get over this idea of holding managers for eternity. 2-3 years is a long time in football and should be treated as such.
 
We need to get over this idea of holding managers for eternity. 2-3 years is a long time in football and should be treated as such.

Yeah I don't think so. 2-3 years is generally the minimum amount of time it takes to turn a club around with new players, culture etc. We need someone who can stay closer to a decade or else we will be back at square one 2 years from now.
 
Prefer Nagelsmann but he won't come. Don't think we need to worry too much about a "long term project" as a reason not to get Tuchel given how fecking shit we are. Get him in, hope he delivers, if he doesn't, feck him off. The whole point of having quality football men at the top is that the manager is supposed to just be a coach and we don't need a reboot every time they change.