What I am saying is that the tv deals should benefit the lower levels as well. They are also part in creating the football that we love.I think salary caps would be stupid and certainly would not lead to fewer games.
If the star players are drawing the audience, they deserve a high cut of that. It's a job only a handful of people can do to the adequate level.
This is a typical example of my point, Barcelona sparingly used the likes of Pjanic and Puig. What is the point in having these players if you don't use them?Didn’t I read before this season due to the Olympics that Pedri off Barca played over 60 games at 18 which is excessive.
While modern players get paid so much their schedules are so intense and it is money related
They are not the only players (pun not intended).No, if they reduced salaries it would just go to the owners who would bank it and still make them play more games to make them more money.
I would far rather the money from football went to the people who make the sacrifices, do the graft, take the risks with injury and burnout, and take the abuse from cnuts online than the leeches who control and own the game.
Professional athletes in popular sports make a lot of money because of public interest and it should go primarily to the athletes.
What percentage of professional footballers play too many matches? Probably around 1-5% and these are the most privileged ones. He is not looking out for most footballers. He is looking out for himself.My question to everyone who is against girlfriend snatcher speaking up, if footballers will not speak about it, who will?
While my point was these needless competitions in the summer and mid season are the problem I do agree that it also falls on Barca. But unfortunately for Barca they are in such a bad situation they need him even at 18 most weeksThis is a typical example of my point, Barcelona sparingly used the likes of Pjanic and Puig. What is the point in having these players if you don't use them?
Needless? You don't think that international football should exist?While my point was these needless competitions in the summer and mid season are the problem I do agree that it also falls on Barca. But unfortunately for Barca they are in such a bad situation they need him even at 18 most weeks
I think Olympics and Nations League can be done away with.Needless? You don't think that international football should exist?
Nations league games have been around forever, they used to be friendlies, they haven't been added. Olympics mainly concern U23 players and players, you want to take it away from them in order to rest players that are for the most part not eligible for it? And only a few players are too tired for international games, that's the ones playing for clubs that go far in all competitions and those clubs can but don't rotate properly.I think Olympics and Nations League can be done away with.
Olympics should have players that aren’t top level (ie Barca players) and Nation League during a season is bad.
Obviously the Euros and WC should be essential even qualifiers during the season but when you mix Olympics and Nations League it’s too much.
Im actually one that is all for internationals. Yes I don’t like the breaks during the season as I want too watch Us play but qualifiers need too be played. The problem is adding Nations League is pushing it and it’s tiring for players
But that’s the clubs making that choice as to who is their best players for the games. If a player went to the coach and said it’s the backup goalkeepers turn the coach would have a fit. Backup goalkeepers aren’t generally the same quality as the number 1.It's wrong because the few players that are concerned with long and packed seasons play for clubs that have large squads, these players do not have to play the amount of games they do, it's their clubs fault if they do nothing else. As I already said why isn't he asking for Lunin to play a third of the games? I will just use the NHL as an example, there isn't a single goalie that plays the entirety of the regular season, even the ones with terrible backups don't.
The schedule shouldn't be built for the few players/club that have the luxury of having top players warming benches, those clubs should use the players that they have and make better decisions if they care about their players' health, instead of expecting lesser players to sacrifice their chance to represent their countries.
Yes but that’s the point due too money they are making Nations League more than just basic friendlies and seem important. Now most countries are trying too win it so they play their top players with 100% commitment.Nations league games have been around forever, they used to be friendlies, they haven't been added. Olympics mainly concern U23 players and players, you want to take it away from them in order to rest players that are for the most part not eligible for it? And only a few players are too tired for international games, that's the ones playing for clubs that go far in all competitions and those clubs can but don't rotate properly.
You’re seeing it as the player saying he’s too tired for international football. I’m seeing it as him saying there is too much football and it catches up on you mentally and physicallyNations league games have been around forever, they used to be friendlies, they haven't been added. Olympics mainly concern U23 players and players, you want to take it away from them in order to rest players that are for the most part not eligible for it? And only a few players are too tired for international games, that's the ones playing for clubs that go far in all competitions and those clubs can but don't rotate properly.
In other words, clubs don't care much about players health and stockpile expensive players for the sake of it. And it doesn't matter that backup goalkeepers aren't the same quality, backup NHL goalkeepers aren't the same quality, they still play and provide rest for the starters.But that’s the clubs making that choice as to who is their best players for the games. If a player went to the coach and said it’s the backup goalkeepers turn the coach would have a fit. Backup goalkeepers aren’t generally the same quality as the number 1.
all the player is doing is raise the concern. It’s up to the clubs and the governing bodies how to address it.
To be honest, I knew this was going to happen once the suggestion for a World Cup every 2 years came out. The players are entitled to a proper rest too
No, I'm seeing it as the player should question their clubs and demand better considerations for mental and physical health instead of blaming someone else. That's extremely convenient for clubs.You’re seeing it as the player saying he’s too tired for international football. I’m seeing it as him saying there is too much football and it catches up on you mentally and physically
That’s what I said too him. He said nations league was always around but used too be friendlies but that shows that Courtois is right as they made the Nations League seem like a big event which then gets top players playing and it’s all too do with moneyYou’re seeing it as the player saying he’s too tired for international football. I’m seeing it as him saying there is too much football and it catches up on you mentally and physically
The start of your paragraph - the cynical me says that is correct. I mean at the top levels anyway. They care about success and by association making money. Doesn’t matter who the players are,’only that some players are better than other players so you always pick your best playersIn other words, clubs don't care much about players health and stockpile expensive players for the sake of it. And it doesn't matter that backup goalkeepers aren't the same quality, backup NHL goalkeepers aren't the same quality, they still play and provide rest for the starters.
I really don’t see why there is a big issue of a player saying “there’s too much football”. Why does that cause you a problem?No, I'm seeing it as the player should question their clubs and demand better considerations for mental and physical health instead of blaming someone else. That's extremely convenient for clubs.
That's my problem instead of targetting the actual culprits, top clubs, who stockpile quality players and let them rot on benches or in the stands instead of using their squad sizes appropriately, he targets international football which is mainly made of players that do not play has much games as top players do and for which international football is the main opportunity to play for something meaningful.I really don’t see why there is a big issue of a player saying “there’s too much football”. Why does that cause you a problem?
If the player goes to his club they will ship him out as a troublemaker. He’s right to try and start the conversation publicly. However from what I’ve seen in this thread the public aren’t prepared to give any leeway. Get on with it robot till you drop dead rich boy
Meh I don’t agree with you. He’s using the time away from club football to talk about it. But listen I’ll leave it there because your mind is set that the player is wrong and I don’t agree. so let’s leave itThat's my problem instead of targetting the actual culprits, top clubs, who stockpile quality players and let them rot on benches or in the stands instead of using their squad sizes appropriately, he targets international football which is mainly made of players that do not play has much games as top players do and for which international football is the main opportunity to play for something meaningful.
He targets international football because he wants his cake and eat it too, his health isn't important enough to be in trouble with his employer.
That’s pretty much life for most people. Except most people aren’t rich.I really don’t see why there is a big issue of a player saying “there’s too much football”. Why does that cause you a problem?
If the player goes to his club they will ship him out as a troublemaker. He’s right to try and start the conversation publicly. However from what I’ve seen in this thread the public aren’t prepared to give any leeway. Get on with it robot till you drop dead rich boy
Meh I don’t agree with you. He’s using the time away from club football to talk about it. But listen I’ll leave it there because your mind is set that the player is wrong and I don’t agree. so let’s leave it
I don’t get how you can say the player is wrong. As I said before players these days are so lucky with the money they are paid compared to years ago but still they are human and 60+ competitive games in a season is excessive and will tire mostThat's my problem instead of targetting the actual culprits, top clubs, who stockpile quality players and let them rot on benches or in the stands instead of using their squad sizes appropriately, he targets international football which is mainly made of players that do not play has much games as top players do and for which international football is the main opportunity to play for something meaningful.
He targets international football because he wants his cake and eat it too, his health isn't important enough to be in trouble with his employer.
But say for a normal person living in a first world country your max hours a week is 39 by law and if you agree too do more you get overtime.That’s pretty much life for most people. Except most people aren’t rich.
I have done 60 a week without overtime. Quite regularly in fact. Luckily I don’t quite hit those extremes anymore, but most people are expected to work more than their contracted hours. It’s actually very common.But say for a normal person living in a first world country your max hours a week is 39 by law and if you agree too do more you get overtime.
Now say your company makes you do 60 a week would you not say anything? Yes these players are making millions doing what they love but still can be overworked
I told you why he is wrong, it's very obvious and using Real Madrid alone would give you the answer. It's not about money, it's about management and in this case mismanagement from top clubs. Keep in mind that my only focus is the physical and mental health of players, the issue is with clubs who are actually heavily focused on money and don't use their large squads in a way that allows top players to play a dozen fewer games per seasons.I don’t get how you can say the player is wrong. As I said before players these days are so lucky with the money they are paid compared to years ago but still they are human and 60+ competitive games in a season is excessive and will tire most
Yes it’s common but what if it’s for 2 years ? Look we can agree that 99% would rather be in Courtois position but his point stands. They train most days and are consistently flying/travelling. It’s gruelling so he has a point.I have done 60 a week without overtime. Quite regularly in fact. Luckily I don’t quite hit those extremes anymore, but most people are expected to work more than their contracted hours. It’s actually very common.
Yep. Been there. Eventually it took its toll on me and I suffered the consequences of being overworked for a prolonged period of time.Yes it’s common but what if it’s for 2 years ? Look we can agree that 99% would rather be in Courtois position but his point stands. They train most days and are consistently flying/travelling. It’s gruelling so he has a point.
No I understand and agree with you. I work 45 hours per week and would sell my left leg too be pro footballer making millions. I wouldn’t complain about 65 matches a year, but I still feel he has a point. In the last 2 years it’s been a Euros, Nations League, Olympics, CL, League, Domestic Cups. It’s gruelling and it’s money basedYep. Been there. Eventually it took its toll on me and I suffered the consequences of being overworked for a prolonged period of time.
Not to say that I don’t understand where he’s coming from, I do. However, very privileged wealthy person complaining about working too much is never going to be particularly high up on the sympathy list when you’ve got a lot of less fortunate people doing the same.
Well that's a silly way of looking at things. Does someone butt into your rants about work to your partner/friend with comments like, "well they have it worse in Bangladesh so pipe down"?Yep. Been there. Eventually it took its toll on me and I suffered the consequences of being overworked for a prolonged period of time.
Not to say that I don’t understand where he’s coming from, I do. However, very privileged wealthy person complaining about working too much is never going to be particularly high up on the sympathy list when you’ve got a lot of less fortunate people doing the same.
The money isn’t relevant to the issue raisedAnd they’re well compensated for it. A lot of people in the world work like dogs just to put food on the table.
In the NHL they sometimes play two nights in a row, sometimes three in four. Plus, there are 82 league games and travel is considerably more than football teams in Europe have to put up with.In other words, clubs don't care much about players health and stockpile expensive players for the sake of it. And it doesn't matter that backup goalkeepers aren't the same quality, backup NHL goalkeepers aren't the same quality, they still play and provide rest for the starters.
Very good post.I told you why he is wrong, it's very obvious and using Real Madrid alone would give you the answer. It's not about money, it's about management and in this case mismanagement from top clubs. Keep in mind that my only focus is the physical and mental health of players, the issue is with clubs who are actually heavily focused on money and don't use their large squads in a way that allows top players to play a dozen fewer games per seasons.
The answer isn't to tailor international schedules to a minority of top players but for the minority of top clubs to start managing their squads properly. Because as I already showed in the case of Pedri, Barcelona didn't care enough to use Pjanic and Puig appropriately and rest Pedri.
