UK General Election - 12th December 2019

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by esmufc07, Sep 6, 2019.

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How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

This poll will close on Dec 12, 2019 at 08:40.
  1. Brexit Party

    14 vote(s)
    3.8%
  2. Conservatives

    28 vote(s)
    7.7%
  3. DUP

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  4. Green

    15 vote(s)
    4.1%
  5. Labour

    170 vote(s)
    46.7%
  6. Liberal Democrats

    44 vote(s)
    12.1%
  7. Plaid Cymru

    3 vote(s)
    0.8%
  8. Sinn Fein

    6 vote(s)
    1.6%
  9. SNP

    15 vote(s)
    4.1%
  10. UKIP

    6 vote(s)
    1.6%
  11. Independent

    1 vote(s)
    0.3%
  12. Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    7 vote(s)
    1.9%
  13. Not voting

    29 vote(s)
    8.0%
  14. Undecided

    25 vote(s)
    6.9%
  1. Sep 6, 2019
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    esmufc07 Won the Grand National Sweepstake once Scout

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    Feel the Brexit thread is being sidelined somewhat by election talk, though of course they are both incredibly interwined.

    Whilst there's no official date yet, it's pretty clear now there'll be an election before the year is out.

    Latest is parties will reject Boris' calls for an election again on Monday

  2. Sep 6, 2019
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    Edgar Allan Pillow Ero-Sennin

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    Nobody wants an election till Brexit is delayed.

    Would Labor or any party run on a remain campaign during election?
  3. Sep 6, 2019
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    Smores Full Member

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    Nobody wants an election thread till Brexit is delayed.
  4. Sep 7, 2019
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    esmufc07 Won the Grand National Sweepstake once Scout

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    Fingeredmouse Full Member

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    A Brexit Con (see what I did there?) coalition is absolutely terrifying.
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    Fingeredmouse Full Member

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    I assume Labour will run negotiated deal then referendum.
    All the rest who aren't the Tories or Brexit will run on remain I guess.
  7. Sep 7, 2019
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    Edgar Allan Pillow Ero-Sennin

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    I don't know. If they have a deal then no point in election, imo.

    Labor may push for delay, then elections so they can make the deal or push for remain....
  8. Sep 7, 2019
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    sun_tzu The Art of Bore

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    SNP? Greens?
    Libs I suspect will run on a second referendum with remain on the ballot which they will unequivocally campaign for
    Labour... Fek knows ... Hopefully conference will force something better than we will negotiate a better deal than the conservatives to leave and then put it to a referendum where some currently won't commit to how they would vote some say they would campaign to remain and some leave.
  9. Sep 7, 2019
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    Klopper76 "Did you see Fabinho against Red Star & Cardiff?"

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    Looking at the polls, it’s clear that the Brexit party & the Conservatives can easily get a majority together.

    Despite my own feelings on the EU (that we’re far better off in than out), it seems that there’s still at least a small majority who want to leave.
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    Klopper76 "Did you see Fabinho against Red Star & Cardiff?"

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    Oh and Labour’s “we’ll negotiate a new deal and then campaign against it” plan is ridiculous and hands the advantage to the Conservatives/Farage.
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    sun_tzu The Art of Bore

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    If they had a non aggression pact then yeah...
    Unless labour would commit to the remain alliance and then quite possibly they have the majority?

    One things for sure and that's either side winning like that will struggle to govern... Imagine the conservatives needing farrage to approve any policy to have the votes to get it through (would make the dup look like rational collaborative adults)

    Equally Corbyn and swinson being able to agree on policies won't work

    So actually I'm not sure this ge is going to solve much... Especially if it returns a hung parliament (currently odds on).
  12. Sep 7, 2019
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    i'll believe the brexit party hype when I see it actually unfolding. The last time I saw all this panic around the BP, Farage was running off to a gents toilet to hide from cameras after a loss that was supposed to be a cakewalk win.

  13. Sep 7, 2019
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    esmufc07 Won the Grand National Sweepstake once Scout

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    Do the Brexit Party even have any policies on any other issues?
  14. Sep 7, 2019
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    Smores Full Member

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    Why is it ridiculous to negotiate what they see as the best deal for britain but to also say they think remain is better but its up to you?

    Whats a nonsense is thinking they shouldn't get and offer a better alternative than Mays because they'd prefer to remain. That's campaigning not governing.
  15. Sep 7, 2019
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    You ever seen that episode of family guy where Lois is running for mayor and only has to say 9/11 and the crowd lap it up?

    I can imagine it being bit like that, with leave means leave.
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    Can we have a poll to see how the cafites will vote. You can then ban anyone that votes tory.
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    esmufc07 Won the Grand National Sweepstake once Scout

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    But I like @Sassy Colin
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    Stanley Road I.C.F. Member

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    But we hate torys more
  19. Sep 7, 2019
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    nokillingmoths Full Member

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    No snp. Looks like nonsense to meeeeee.
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    Don't Kill Bill Full Member

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    Last time May was going to win in a landslide. This election is going to be a very volatile one. In the end it might be a stalemate but I wouldn't bet against a serious and defining change one way or the other. Do you think the polling organisations can be trusted to get somewhere near the result this time because I think their models are broken?
  21. Sep 7, 2019
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    Several people I know, both on the left and the right are saying they will vote LibDem, because what is on offer from Tory and Labour sides is too extreme.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    I can see this election's result being manipulated.
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    Fully Fledged Full Member

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    About 15% of Tory voters are Remainers who couldn't imagine voting any other way than Tory. There's a small majority for remain it one of the reasons why an election won't be a true vote on Brexit.
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    esmufc07 Won the Grand National Sweepstake once Scout

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    I do wonder how much of the Lib Dem vote Labour could take if they came out in favour of remain/second referendum
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    sun_tzu The Art of Bore

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    I don't know how many people would trust Corbyn on that
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    Hopefully the fear of no deal will be higher than reservations about Corbyn.
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    sun_tzu The Art of Bore

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    I think remain people would still Vote libs in large numbers knowing they would certainly try to deliver on that.
  29. Sep 7, 2019
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    I would not mind extending the deadline, but I am not convinced that it would do anything - we will still hear the same endless speeches and we will still not come to a consensus.
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    sun_tzu The Art of Bore

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    Indeed... If libs win election (or push their policy as the price of a coalition) then they want a referendum... Probably at least another 6 month extension (or more) for that
    If labour win and they want to renegotiate and then hold a referendum... Probably 18 months extension
    I have no problem with that but I hope people are honest about it in the election or they are setting themselves up for a lot of problems when people realise the realities.
  31. Sep 7, 2019
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    Ekkie Thump Full Member

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    I think (hope) there'll be a gigantic amount of tactical voting depending on who's most likely to beat the local Tory.
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    sun_tzu The Art of Bore

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    Perhaps labour could even join the remain alliance this time if they genuinely believe in avoiding a hard brexit?
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    Fluctuation0161 Full Member

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    Second referendum with clearer options is arguably the only way to settle this mess. In that sense Labour's position seems a perfectly valid option.
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    Well said. My view as well.
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    Buster15 Full Member

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    The point of extending the deadline is two fold.
    One. to allow Mr Bumble to do what he has said he can do an renegotiate the WA.
    Two. to allow a second referendum which I now believe is necessary.
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    Kentonio Full Member Scout

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    The EU are extremely unlikely to grant an 18 month extension. They have the new EU budget coming up next summer, they need this resolved one way or another before then.
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    sun_tzu The Art of Bore

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    Then there cant be a renegotiation and a referendum
    Referendum is minimum 6 months (if there is no legal challenges to the question and clearly there would be)... Probably need to allow a year to hold it and implement it
    And a full renegotiation... That must be a year and this would have to be finished to put it as an option on the ballot
    If that's not an option then labour needs to be honest and say if they are committed to a referendum and they don't have that long it's Mays deal or revoke
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    Solius Bearded Scholes admirer Staff

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    Can all the old people hurry up and die please.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    That’s a plan that I could support
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    If Boris resigns, what happens? Can the "rebel alliance" form an alliance to get the extension and then a GE? I imagine if that is possible, Boris resigning would be a political move for his come back at the GE and can say he kept his word about Brexit/did his part. Then if he wins, gets his mandate to feck everyone over