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A ‘bad apple’ didn’t slip through. The MET turned a blind eye to 9 allegations. He was vetted at least three times and passed, even being promoted to another department…all of this after he had several allegations.
It’s clear as day why Cressida Dick was so revered by those alongside and underneath her - because she was weak as piss and fostered a lax environment with zero accountability. Of course you’re going to be upset if your boss is sacked if it means you can no longer get away with doing whatever you like.
 

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It's almost less of an issue that they keep letting these people in, the Met is such a big organisation some bad apples are bound to slip through, but that these people keep getting promoted to positions of real responsibility. I'd half understand if these people managed to keep on the right side of disciplinary action and never made it past the bottom rung, but both him and Couzens were firearms officers. Surely there is some kind of vetting to get that job.
In fairness it’s a lateral move to specialise rather than a promotion as such. There’s an internal process but nothing to the level of a promotion board.

Bottom rung or not though it need’s to be better. People must have had concerns about this one just like Couzens.
 

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Yeah I saw this.

I don’t know what to say about the Met anymore. Time after time after time. The more you read about it the more questions need to be asked about the leadership in the force over the past decade.

The new Commissioner is going to have to totally transform things from top to bottom if he intends to restore public confidence. It literally must be hanging by a thread.
Impossible task by virtue of process. The met intend on tackling this issue by being more transparent and by changing how robustly they deal with serious allegations. They’ve been very rubbish at doing it up until now (and not because of some mass conspiracy as people want to believe, it’s definitely more of an incompetency issue) but there appear to be genuine attempts to get better. But that does mean we’re going to get more and more of these stories. And fundamentally speaking this will never not be a problem to be honest. The met don’t hire folk from some special pool of honourable human beings.
Nobody joins the met and starts a development programme on how to be a rapist, racist, killer etc. You are one of those things and you join the met, because you know you’re placing yourself in a position of power that will facilitate you doing these things.

I think the realistic goal is to eliminate the number of wrong uns as quickly as possible. But there’s no vetting or hiring process you can do that’ll prevent these types joining the met. I know allegations on their own that don’t lead to convictions are essentially pointless but when you’re in the met if you have more than a few serious allegations regardless of outcome there needs to be action, and I believe that is actually something that’s now come into play. That should prevent people hanging around for years and years moving through departments with multiple allegations on their name.
The mets problem is there’s far too much ‘kicking the can down the road’ and a passing the buck mentality. People seem to not want to make big decisions, afraid of getting rid of people etc.

They’re also very hush hush even when it would benefit them to not be. And that’s not even just to the public, they’re not particularly transparent with their own officers either.

Take your last post for example, you had to explain that this guy wasn’t promoted up the ranks and so the process of vetting wouldn’t have been particular stringent. But people don’t know this and you see it on here and other places, people saying this and that should be done and you’re sat there thinking “what the hell are you talking about”… but the met won’t explain this stuff to the public.
 

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Corrupt police investigating corrupt police.
So what kind of outcome do you expect.
In a few years time there will be the same headlines.
 

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From the article:

They added: "He was arrested some time ago and when everyone found out it was a huge shock."

Shock my ass. Bet he even had a noncy nickname in the office.
 

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One of the most dystopian headlines I’ve seen in a while

Labour would suspend any police officers accused of rape, party says

Police officers accused of rape or domestic abuse will be immediately suspended under a future Labour government, the party has announced, amid growing concern that other serial sexual abusers will be found in the UK’s forces.

The announcement follows criticisms of the government’s response after the former police officer David Carrick was formally sacked on Tuesday after pleading guilty to 49 charges of sexual assault including dozens of rapes. He had been allowed to continue to work as a police officer despite multiple allegations.


Labour’s proposed change in the rules would bring the police in line with other professions in the public sector such as teaching, where a serious allegation results in an immediate suspension pending an inquiry.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...end-any-police-officers-accused-of-party-says
How this wasn’t already in place is incredibly grim.
 

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One of the most dystopian headlines I’ve seen in a while

Labour would suspend any police officers accused of rape, party says



How this wasn’t already in place is incredibly grim.
Truly blows the mind that this isn't just standard practice for any police force. It should be a case of if you get accused of a crime, they should be removed from active duty until cleared. It's not hard, even United managed to do it...
 

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One of the most dystopian headlines I’ve seen in a while

Labour would suspend any police officers accused of rape, party says



How this wasn’t already in place is incredibly grim.
it used to happen to be fair. Then at some point it was decided that if people get paid to be at home they may as well be paid to be at work.
If it’s any help, they won’t be interacting with public whilst under investigation, but would be in a back office sorting out the property store etc.
 

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it used to happen to be fair. Then at some point it was decided that if people get paid to be at home they may as well be paid to be at work.
If it’s any help, they won’t be interacting with public whilst under investigation, but would be in a back office sorting out the property store etc.
No, that doesn’t offer me any comfort funnily enough.
 

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If you can’t see the difference between a potential rapist being allowed to interact with the public in the most vulnerable moments of their lives, vs being in a small room booking property onto a system and not speaking to anyone then I’m not sure what to say.
 

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If you can’t see the difference between a potential rapist being allowed to interact with the public in the most vulnerable moments of their lives, vs being in a small room booking property onto a system and not speaking to anyone then I’m not sure what to say.
Who said there isn't a difference? I don't want a police officer accused of serious crimes continuing to work for the police in any format until it is sorted.
 

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One of the most dystopian headlines I’ve seen in a while

Labour would suspend any police officers accused of rape, party says



How this wasn’t already in place is incredibly grim.
That isn’t even the worse thing in or rather not in place. Police officers can be sacked by the met but independent legal bodies have the power to reinstate them and that happens. Again the government will have to change that ruling and a lot of other things under police regulations.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-64358800

A former police officer who abused his position to start sexual relationships with vulnerable women has been jailed.

Another apple.
As someone on Twitter pointed out, they keep wheeling out the “couple of bad apples” defence of the police force but seem to be ignoring that the expression doesn’t mean a couple of bad apples and the rest of the barrel are fine. It means it only takes a couple of bad apples and the entire barrel of apples will soon be rotten too.

So their defence essentially admits that the entire Met is rotten now.
 

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As someone on Twitter pointed out, they keep wheeling out the “couple of bad apples” defence of the police force but seem to be ignoring that the expression doesn’t mean a couple of bad apples and the rest of the barrel are fine. It means it only takes a couple of bad apples and the entire barrel of apples will soon be rotten too.

So their defence essentially admits that the entire Met is rotten now.
It is nothing like the odd bad apple. It is endemic.
 

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Who said there isn't a difference? I don't want a police officer accused of serious crimes continuing to work for the police in any format until it is sorted.
I think when dealing with some insane people, a suspect can just accuse an officer of rape and slow down their own conviction/prosecution and get that officer sat at home. But on the other hand, you need a way for them to be suspended while an investigation takes place.
 

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153,000 officers approximately across the UK.

50,000 are female so they're out.

What's the rate of rape convictions for police officer's compared with the rest of the civilian population? Like per 100,000?
 

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153,000 officers approximately across the UK.

50,000 are female so they're out.

What's the rate of rape convictions for police officer's compared with the rest of the civilian population? Like per 100,000?
No idea on that stat but in America a staggering 40% of cops are domestic abusers.
 

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No idea on that stat but in America a staggering 40% of cops are domestic abusers.
It's an insane stat, and no excusing the genuine scumbags and domestic abusers but I imagine in some circumstances the constant fear of dying day to day and dealing with meth headed people killing people and telling people their children have died, must feck your mind up, PTSD and cause some of this.

That being said, it's no excuse.
 

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It's an insane stat, and no excusing the genuine scumbags and domestic abusers but I imagine in some circumstances the constant fear of dying day to day and dealing with meth headed people killing people and telling people their children have died, must feck your mind up, PTSD and cause some of this.

That being said, it's no excuse.
I would posit that many more have that mindset & are going into the career knowing that they could act on their urges with a large degree of impunity. No doubt some develop such tendencies due to the trauma of the job, but multitudes more have such going in.
 

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I would posit that many more have that mindset & are going into the career knowing that they could act on their urges with a large degree of impunity. No doubt some develop such tendencies due to the trauma of the job, but multitudes more have such going in.
Oh totally agree. I do think it is a minority, most will go in wanting to help people, the nobility of it. Alas it's a fecked up job.
 

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The advertising boards for recruitment that they have on trucks around London are embarassing when you have all this rot going on.
 

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Must be so demoralising to work in the Met at the moment, or the police in general if you are 'one of the good ones'.
I think mostly they will be sympathising with the offending officers because they know how hard they have got it at the moment in terms of overwork and underpay.
 

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I think mostly they will be sympathising with the offending officers because they know how hard they have got it at the moment in terms of overwork and underpay.
Yes. I’m sure those working for the NHS sympathised with serial killers Harold Shipman, and more recently Lucy Letby, for the same reasons.
 

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Why does this thread only get bumped when they do something bad? You never see Texbow posting about the local Brizzo rozzers helping some old lady down some stairs, or giving someone's cat a good old stroke. It's ridiculous.
 

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Why does this thread only get bumped when they do something bad? You never see Texbow posting about the local Brizzo rozzers helping some old lady down some stairs, or giving someone's cat a good old stroke. It's ridiculous.
Maybe senicide and animal abuse an accepted thing in Bristol?