Unacceptable or Weird Chants

Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by MyOnlySolskjaer, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. Aug 13, 2019 at 13:57

    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2018
    Messages:
    740
    Christ all mighty you need to get out more!

    I'm not to sure if Giggsy is on Twitter, or if he nailed Imogen up the pooper but there is a song about it.

    Did Kagawa granddad bomb pearl harbour, not to sure.

    Would a banner be made about the size of his penis, of course not you sensitive flower, it is a fecking song that was made to rhyme.

    Is Torres actually a transgender? Not that I am aware off, does he sell his behind on the Albert Dock? Maybe only on a Friday night.

    How about you actually worry about the actual racism in football and stop worrying about a fecking tongue and cheek song, honestly nothing short of fecking embarrassing the fact that you spend so much time worrying about this type of shit.

    If you are this offended by one sentence in a song, can you imagine if you go on an away day and walk down the wrong street and into a scrap "please please please sir don't harm me its 2019 and I'm a delicate little flower who gets offended by anything"

    Honest to god there are more things to worry about than the lyrics to a tongue and cheek song about one of your players.
  2. Aug 13, 2019 at 13:58

    robinamicrowave Wanted to be bran, ended up being littlefinger

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2013
    Messages:
    2,093
    Supports:
    Man City
    You seem to be far more upset about this than @Dead Wood Woodward is. Who's the snowflake?
  3. Aug 13, 2019 at 13:59

    SiRed Full Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    2,540
    Location:
    Manchester
    Great post!
  4. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:00

    Dead Wood Woodward New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2019
    Messages:
    55
    You're obsessed with flowers, aren't you?

    Exactly. I don't want to argue against him for the sake of his own health. The blood pressure reading must be off the scale right now.
  5. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:00

    Church o Choccy Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2005
    Messages:
    1,422
    Location:
    All over.
    I mean, on the one hand we really should stop trying to use these awful generational broad brush strokes where we attempt to generalise about everyone in a certain age bracket as somehow sharing a set of character traits. It's not helpful and it only reveals our own ignorance and prejudice.

    But also I kind of can't wait til all the boomers die with their wealth stealing and racism and fecking the planet over for everyone else. So, y'know.
  6. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:02

    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2018
    Messages:
    740
    Well the fact that he is hugely offended by a song about a guys dick being 24 inches gonna say..................him?
  7. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:04

    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2018
    Messages:
    740
    Can't help it when there are an awful lot on here getting offended, blood pressure is fine lad don't be worrying, or getting offended, or being discriminated against, or whatever else upsets you princess
  8. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:05

    Rooney24 Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2005
    Messages:
    6,898
    This thread :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  9. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:06

    Dead Wood Woodward New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2019
    Messages:
    55
    Princess :lol:
  10. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:06

    RedFish Full Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2014
    Messages:
    6,862
    Location:
    I am feel, I am very feel
    Complete and utter car crash.:houllier:
  11. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:14

    Siorac Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    15,404
    Location:
    16th century
    Anyone who uses the term 'snowflake' unironically is someone I can't take seriously, unless we're talking about literal snow.
  12. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:17

    Blatzo Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2012
    Messages:
    1,671
    Just thought I'd add my own - politically correct and grammatically accurate Harry Maguire chant to the thread so we can all sip tea and nod approvingly at it:

    Harry Maguire, our defense is fortified (with)
    Harry Maguire, our defense is fortified (with)
    Harry Maguire, our defense is fortified (with)
    Harry Maguire... OOOF

    nah nahnahnah nah nanah nah nahnah nah nah
  13. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:22

    SiRed Full Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    2,540
    Location:
    Manchester
    In my opinion, its all banter. And how people deal with banter is what makes something offensive.
    Football has always appealed more towards the working class. The game has been played mainly over the years by people that when they were kids - their families couldnt afford to go to go Snowboarding, Rock climbing, Croquet, Dressage or what have you.
    What they could afford was a football, that would keep a group of any number of kids entertained for hours and hours and hours.
    The type of kids that would laugh when they see someone fall over and carry that through to adult life.
    Some went on to play professional football, others ended up driving a van but what they all shared was the love of the camaraderie brought on by kicking a bit of leather around. They can deal with banter - they know theres nothing in it and they know that in 5 minutes it will be their turn to banter someone else.
    I used to get called pizza face in school. I was insecure about my spots but you learn to laugh it off and return the compliments by ripping 'Smiffy' about his Mam and the 6 ''uncles'' he has had in a month.

    People find things funny - and there is nothing funnier than a football chant that is close to the bone - Obviously there are lines that MOST adhere to not cross - mocking the dead etc but if its calling Lukaku 'big s1ck', Torres a tranny, Rooney Shrek, that doesn't make someone racist or homophobic. It means its funny, tongue in cheek, roots of the game, a game that is built on that very humour.

    If people are offended by a chant - why not sod off and watch Snooker or badminton or some other ''upper class' left wing nonsense.
  14. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:24

    UnrelatedPsuedo I pity the poor fool who stinks like I do!

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2015
    Messages:
    4,333
    No idea why I heard it. Possibly misremembering but I think it might have been from one of the Freakonomics guys.

    Paraphrasing of it was;

    “South Koreans find it odd that there’s western criticism of eating a specific animal, at the same time that the West packs their old people off to anonymous care homes to die”

    The point being that they see we commit ‘crimes’ against our elderly relatives by putting them in care homes, rather than inviting them into family homes as they age and ultimately pass. But get weird about eating one kind of animal vs another.

    You can dislike the Park chant, but it’s not offensive to South Koreans. It’s virtue signalling to assume it is. I’ve met plenty of South Koreans. Nobody gives a shit that in some areas, dogs are food.

    People are either really fecking soft, or extremely sheltered and haven’t travelled much if they find the song truly offensive.

    It’s comparable to Welsh/NZ sheep jokes. Or Essex girl jokes. Or Aussie prisoner jokes. Crass and low brow, but not really offensive.
  15. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:25

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,111
    Upper class, left wing?:lol:
  16. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:28

    Dead Wood Woodward New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2019
    Messages:
    55
    Stalin would fly over to England every year for the World Snooker Championship. There really is no more left wing a sport.
  17. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:32

    UnrelatedPsuedo I pity the poor fool who stinks like I do!

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2015
    Messages:
    4,333
    That’s not true.
  18. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:36

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,111
    He left after all the reds were potted though, claiming it was a capitalist conspiracy
  19. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:38

    Volumiza Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2018
    Messages:
    648
    Location:
    Somewhere in the middle
    :lol:
  20. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:38

    Classical Mechanic Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2014
    Messages:
    23,880
    I prefer Lacrosse actually peasant.
  21. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:40

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,111
    I love a game of Badders. Real goose feather shuttlecocks; that I shot myself in the morning hunt!
  22. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:40

    SiRed Full Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    2,540
    Location:
    Manchester
    :lol::lol:
  23. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:42

    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

    Joined:
    May 9, 2006
    Messages:
    74,819
    Location:
    il pentimento
    Supports:
    Moanchester United
    Wayne, Wayne
    Wherever you may be
    Your culture lacks filial piety
    It could be worse
    Wait, you ARE Scouse
    Stuffing grandmothers in a old folk's house
  24. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:44

    Volumiza Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2018
    Messages:
    648
    Location:
    Somewhere in the middle
    What a thread! Started on page 1, got bored by page 2 but then captivated by the utter rubbish on pages 3, 4 and 5.

    My view is that even if something in a football chant is funny in a 'you-know-you-shouldn't-laugh-kind-of-way', it doesn't mean it is or should be acceptable. How would you feel if it was your son or daughter out there on the end of it? Footballers may be rich, they may be detached from our lives but they are still human beings and what could be classed as 'banter' between an individual and friends is something way different when 1000's of people you don't know are shouting it at you in a stadium.

    I'm no 'snowflake' as has been put here, I'm 44 and an ex boxer so can put up with a bit of 'banter' but times have changed.
  25. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:47

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,111
    You’re right about times changing but we still have a huge way to go.

    I work in education and if the attitudes and language of the next generation is anything to go by then don’t expect large scale progress.
  26. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:54

    SiRed Full Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    2,540
    Location:
    Manchester
    It education that is causing a lot of todays issues with half of the curriculum for KS1 kids being all about training people to accept things and not challenge status quo.
    Why can't kids be taught about a subject matter and form their own opinion? I guess the governing bodies see that as detrimental to their own agenda.
  27. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:57

    Can7onA Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    Messages:
    801
    Stone Roses - This is the one.

    A club consumed by fire
    We all know Harry Maguire
    From the plans that we have made
    We had him on a promise
    Immerse me in your splendour
    All the plans that we have made
    This is the one
    This is the one
    This is the one
    This is the one
    This is the one
    She's waited for
  28. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:57

    Volumiza Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2018
    Messages:
    648
    Location:
    Somewhere in the middle
    We do clearly some things are improving. My kids are 15 and 12 and hopefully I've done a decent job of bringing them up but I think the educational system has done one thing perfectly ... at least with my two. Neither have once mentioned skin colour, sexuality or disabilities once. No questions, no judgement, nothing.

    It will keep getting better but it won't happen over night, it will keep moving at the pace it does now, generational speed.
  29. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:57

    UnrelatedPsuedo I pity the poor fool who stinks like I do!

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2015
    Messages:
    4,333
    I bristled at a perceived argument.

    Then applauded the swiftness of the brilliance. Take a bow.
  30. Aug 13, 2019 at 14:58

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,111
    I couldn’t agree more with the last sentence. However the parents of the worst behaved kids are also the most racist,homophobic and morally bankrupt people out there. Then they wonder why their darlings are caught insulting the likes of Sterling saying ‘ it’s not like him, ees a good lad at art.’
  31. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:00

    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2015
    Messages:
    4,482
    Location:
    Nonchalantly scoring the winner...
    But then, you're getting offended by someone having a different opinion to you over the internet...

    Epitome of 'snowflake', surely?
  32. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:03

    Siorac Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    15,404
    Location:
    16th century
    Upper class and left wing - that just does not compute.
  33. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:04

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,111
    Tony Blair?
  34. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:05

    Turnip Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2014
    Messages:
    1,552
    Location:
    Beckham's right nipple
    I dont think it's a matter of whether a chant is offensive or not, because a lot of them are, its more a case if whether we should take them in good humor or not. And I think the vast majority of people who sing them are doing so in good humor, so it's much less of an issue.

    It's not like we're talking about chants deliberately targeting someone's race as a way to offend them like the monkey chant that were happening a few years ago, I'm pretty sure most people will agree that's unacceptable.
  35. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:08

    UnrelatedPsuedo I pity the poor fool who stinks like I do!

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2015
    Messages:
    4,333
    You think people can’t be upper class and left wing?

    Perhaps in the truest sense of the word that might be true.

    But the idea that upper class folks are not liberal is nuts. (Appreciate that conflating left wing and liberal is my doing, but still...)
  36. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:12

    Siorac Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    15,404
    Location:
    16th century
    Tony Blair was and probably still is a neoliberal, not really left wing.

    I'm sure there are exceptions to what I said but, more to the point, snooker or badminton being "upper class left wing" things is a bewildering idea.
  37. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:16

    Volumiza Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2018
    Messages:
    648
    Location:
    Somewhere in the middle
    Not that easy, some things need challenging.

    Because largely it won't be the kids forming that opinion, it will be their parents and if those opinions harbour racist, homophobic or other dangerous views then your idea will not work.
  38. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:18

    SiRed Full Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    2,540
    Location:
    Manchester
    This is true. But in my opinion those kids would be the ones that go beyond chanting a tongue in cheek slur and be the ones that get arrested for taking things to the next level.
    I would fully expect most normal people to join in with the Ji Sung Park song with 70,000 odd others.
  39. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:27

    SiRed Full Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Messages:
    2,540
    Location:
    Manchester
    I get that, but i have a 6 year old daughter at home telling me that heaven sounds great and she cannot wait to go there..... Heartbreaking - i have no religious beliefs, quite the opposite but now i have my daughter who is clearly having this belief forced on her, probably as it benefits society if she lives her life to christian values which in turn will strengthen the western world. If i say my opinion to her it will just lead to confusion. Why are they not taught that some people believe this, some believe that, some believe in science. Its up to them if they even want to believe anything.
  40. Aug 13, 2019 at 15:35

    Brightonian Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2012
    Messages:
    12,330
    Location:
    Juanderlust
    I reckon the rage from both ends of the spectrum of this thread comes from everyone desperately wanting to think they're a through-and-through virtuous individual.

    Personally, I think the Park chant probably is somewhat offensive, if not in any particularly harmful way. But I fecking love it anyway, and I guess that's on me, ultimately. I know I'm no saint. If someone at work started throwing 'you eat dogs' lines at a Korean colleague, I'd happily stand up and say that's not on, because the context certainly comes into these things. United fans worship Park.