Unbeaten league winning season v 100+ points but with defeats

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Would you rather win an unbeaten League title or a maximum points League title

  1. Win the league unbeaten

    194 vote(s)
    60.1%
  2. Win the league with 100+ points but with a loss

    113 vote(s)
    35.0%
  3. Messi

    5 vote(s)
    1.5%
  4. Ronaldo

    11 vote(s)
    3.4%
  1. May 8, 2018
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    @Damien @Raoul can I have a poll for this please? Options;

    1. Win the league unbeaten
    2. Win the league with 100+ points but take a loss

    Genuinely baffled that the unbeaten season Barcelona could have is seen as not that impressive a feat.
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    oneniltothearsenal Caf's Milton Friedman (and Arse aficionado) Scout

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    Absolutely Unbeaten.

    Psychologically more difficult as there is pressure on every match. City hasnt had pressure in weeks.
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    SER19 Full Member

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    Unbeaten to win title as there's no blemish. Records points total after losing at home to Levante not as perfect.
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    Florida Man Cartoon expert and crap superhero

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    On paper, 100 points is the better achievement, but I’d much prefer going unbeaten. There’s a certain aura of having The Invincibles label associated with you. Much nicer tone than The Hundred Pointers.
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    Klopper76 "Did you see Fabinho against Red Star & Cardiff?"

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    I’d go for the 100+ points. Arsenal went unbeaten but drew 12 games. 12 boring draws.
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    Cloud7 Full Member

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    Would take unbeaten personally.
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    @Peyroteo

    Would you rather;

    A) played 38, won 36, drew 2 PTS 110
    B) played 38, won 37, lost 1 PTS 111

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    haram Full Member

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    Obviously unbeaten and over 100 points...
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    donkeyfish Full Member

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    I'd prefer whatever gives the most points, as that is the measure of success in the league.

    Also, you're not really invincible if you lose 3-0 to Roma.
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    ArseHat Full Member

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    This. Every team will try to be the team to put that blemish on your record right up to the final game of the season (even if the title and relegation is decided).

    Unbeaten with 110 points since I would like knowing that no one in the league got the better of me in a season.
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    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

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    111 points, obviously since 1 win and 1 loss is better than 2 draws.

    Would you rather 80 points and unbeaten or 111 points and not unbeaten?
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    This is about a league only. If any team ever wins a treble undefeated then obviously it dwarves just the league.

    The measure of success is winning the thing. So if you knew you were going to win the league at the start of the season, would you rather do it as an unbeaten team or take a loss or two?
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    So long as I win the title, 80 points and unbeaten.

    There’s absolutely no way you’d take 111 points over 110 for the sake of 1 loss = less points dropped than 2 draws, no way.
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    donkeyfish Full Member

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    I'd prefer most points. 37 - 0 - 1 e.g. is the third best possible league run, only 38 wins and 37 - 1 - 0 is better.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    More points. It's harder to win football matches than it is to not lose them. More points means you won more games of football.
    Doesn't matter, I just won the league.
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    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

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    Why would I not? Because you've arbitrarily decided that not losing one game is more important than actually getting more points which just happens to be the whole point of the sport?
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    HA
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    FujiVice Full Member

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    Where's option 3? Winning the Treble?
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    This pertains to league only
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    FujiVice Full Member

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    Out of the two, going unbeaten for sure. Pressure is on you from the first game to the last. That Arsenal side played Leicester on the last day and although the league had been wrapped up for weeks, they went out with the intention to not lose the match.

    As far as the points tally our 1994 squad racked up 92 points and did it with 13 players regular players all year. You got the odd youth player making an appearance, but you basically had our starting 11 playing almost every match. That was a massive achievement. And what a starting 11 it was.
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    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

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    Won the title though...

    To the question at hand, I’d take the Invincibles title as well.
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    Can you give us a poll? :) xx
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    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

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    I reckon so
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    Then neither Arsenal but they still kept that title for their team. Whatever happens in a different tournament has no bearing on the league.
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    Daysleeper Full Member

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    80% of the people here are saying unbeaten yet only one person has voted for it :annoyed:
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    More points is objectively indicative of a better performance IMO, but unbeaten just feels better.

    Overall I'd take unbeaten but if it was a choice as wide as 100 points or 80 and unbeaten, I'd probably take the 100.
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    Ram1fy New Member

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    Would you be unbeaten and lose the title? Because if you get the most points there is no way you won’t win the title
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    Swift Football New Member

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    The label "Invincibles" is far too rare. I will take unbeaten season in a heartbeat than than having 100+ points. The face value of going full season undefeated is quite a feat.
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    Swift Football New Member

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    Mathematically, it is possible. BUt I dont think it will ever happen in real life.
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    Cheesy Bread with dipping sauce Scout

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    Like...I get why it's incredible and all to go unbeaten because of how rare it is and how common it is for teams to slip up once or twice over a 38-game season, but objectively speaking finishing with more points is better. The goal of a league isn't to just not lose games...because that can involve drawing a feck-ton, and mathematically a draw is closer to a loss than a win. Arsenal's feat in 03-04 was phenomenal, but compare their tally to City's this year and they'd have lost the titles with games to spare.

    Look at Juventus' 2012-12 season for an interesting example. They did extraordinarily well to go unbeaten, yes, but did draw 15 games and won a mere 23, a tally that's fairly low for a title-winning side. Hypothetically a side that season performing like City this year would've blown them out of the water.

    A similar analogy would be referring to a team who scores lot of goals. A team who hypothetically hits 120 goals in a PL season would be undertaking a remarkable achievement because that's not something which realistically happens at the top level; contrarily though if they also conceded 60 and lost out to a team who scored 90 but only conceded 20 then the latter team is objectively more successful in every way. Even though the losing teams mustered a historic achievement that's generally an indicator of success.
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    T A New Member

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    It's like when you have to choose between two glorious wedding cake. One is thicker but having a bite on it, ten billion times you would go with the intact other
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    haram Full Member

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    Invicible season would piss off Arsenal fans as well :devil:
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    marukomu The Gatekeeper

    and Pires dived against Portsmouth to get the draw.
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    Unbeaten.
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    Siorac Full Member

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    Depends on the points total. 37-0-1 is far more impressive than 26-12-0 so I'd take that. But if it's closer, say, 33-5-0 then I'd take unbeaten to piss off Arsenal fans.

    Not that we have to worry about either scenario any time soon.
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    stretford_oslo Full Member

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    100 points obviously. More wins, less boring draws.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Being unbeaten simply means you can end up with a lot of draws.

    28-10-0
    27-11-0

    100 pts is 100 pts. You need You win roughly 30+ games to attain it.

    It certainly depends on the numbers.
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    Skills Snitch

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    More points obviously. It's a league and that's the goal of the thing.

    Now an unbeaten champions league title is a far bigger achievement than both like 99 and 08.
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    Water Melon before it dries out, eh

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    Maximum points in the league, that is the essence of any league campaign to get as many points as possible.
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    lsd Full Member

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    It's a bit of a foolish question

    Winning the league is ask that matters . How you win it doesn't come into it .

    Personally a last day win tops both for me