I hope there’s truth to it.
Can’t think of a more fitting manager to continue the rebuild we have started in a similar path and hopefully make us compete in a couple of years.
United’s next manager
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Can’t think of a more fitting manager to continue the rebuild we have started in a similar path and hopefully make us compete in a couple of years.
He certainly fits the bill but again, I don't trust these rotten players at the club. They literally down tools for every other manager.
Nagelsmann feels a bit unattainable. He has just started out at RB and they waited a year for him with their technical director taking over the managers job for the season. Don't think they'd want to let him go so soon, and i always felt that down the line he was destined for Bayern.
Wouldn't mind him though.
Wouldn't mind him though.
I believe the process for the next Coach has begun with us making moves for Nagelsmann for next season.
Nicknamed 'Baby Mourinho'
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Not sure why he's got that nickname, because their footballing philosophy couldn't be more different.
This isn’t the same squad of players Moyes or Van Gaal had to their disposal though.
We’ll just name him ‘Baby Ferguson” and all will be grand.
Mourinho tried and failed. Woodward/the Glazers were always there to thwart his attempts to get rid of certain commercially valuable but underperforming players.
Can't agree more except we'd need a solid RW as well.
In case we sack Ole we should find a better one but with similar plan and vision.
The ones Mourinho bought himself?
Of course a manager wants absolute control. But what clubs will give them that level control? I doubt there are any. Managers, like everyone else, must adapt to the world as it is, not the world as they want it.
Yeah, he bought all the players himself. He also mowed the pitch at Old Trafford and cleaned the toilets. That's what a manager does, obviously.
Exactly. Almost all big clubs have DoF now, people really believe DoF role is to feck up manager's work or they work against CEO. With or without DoF, manager can get the players they want. With DoF all they had to do is discuss with the DoF and come to agreement just like how Conte did at Inter to sign Lukaku.
If Poch don't want to work with DoF at all then his choice of clubs will be less than five fingers on 1 hand.
Sack Ole doesn't mean we are going back again. His three signings (James, Maguire & Bissaka) should suit to our next manager. Unlike LVG transition to Mourinho, that's what I called going back again since some of LVG's players don't suit Mourinho for example Blind & Martial.
But if we are going to sack him then we need to find the right manager that suit our philosophy. We can't just hire some manager just because they have good CV, if that's the case then we will keep changing manager. Need a manager who can build the team, play attacking football, good to watch & develop young players. Those are the initial foundation to have the right manager for our philosophy. Pochettino is my no 1 choice atm. Allegri definitely will be too similar to Mourinho's case, top manager but not suit our philosophy.
But if we are going to sack him then we need to find the right manager that suit our philosophy. We can't just hire some manager just because they have good CV, if that's the case then we will keep changing manager. Need a manager who can build the team, play attacking football, good to watch & develop young players. Those are the initial foundation to have the right manager for our philosophy. Pochettino is my no 1 choice atm. Allegri definitely will be too similar to Mourinho's case, top manager but not suit our philosophy.
This would be welcome. A bit of forward thinking by our board for once. In fact, I have a hard time believing this story simply because it's such a sensible thing to do. If this article read that we were tracking Ancelloti to replace Ole, I would be more inclined to believe it. I do hope this is true though.
That's funny considering that Maguire was Mourinho no 1 target in defence and AWB is probably the most defensive oriented FB we ever had bar Darmian. On the other hand Allegri utilised Sandro and Cancelo as fbs and he rarely had games with just 1 shot on goal.
Ole talks of attacking football but there's nothing to suggest he's doing the walking
Wan Bissaka would be odd one out if we hire a manager who utilises fullbacks as attacking outlet that's why I believe we made a mistake in targeting such a limited footballer for such big transfer fee and that's where I started having doubt about Ole's so called attacking philosophy as well.
So United decided to buy Matic because they thought Mourinho looked homesick and needed a useless ex-Chelsea player to make him feel at home? When he arrived - out of the blue - Mourinho was furious they had't bought a better player for £40m spent.
That means few years from now. He won't come anytime soon. If he's good at Leipzig Bayern will take him.
Im taking this as your point trying to say that Mou & Allegri will suit us more than Poch?
Spurs actually was targeting Bissaka. Bissaka is limit with his final third product but the fact that Poch wanted him in Spurs means he saw something in him and thinking about developing him. Or he might want to have one attacking full back on one side & one defensive full back on the other side.
I am suggesting that Ole is no different to Mou in terms of defensive football. However Mou had an idea about tactics something ole lack
I cannot see Pochs signing for us. It would be a step down for him. I think that Allegri has more experience in leading yop sides with limited budgets having worked with Milan and Juve. I also believe that we lack the talent and the financial will to play attacking football as well
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Nagelsmann is too smart to want to join us under Woodward. I think a lot of top coaches will think twice now even if we offer them big money.
Look at what the job has done to Moyes, LVG n Jose. Ole won't get a big job ever again either. Probably right though as he didn't really deserve one to begin with.
Until there is real change with the structure then I feel we might be shopping in the bargain aisles for managers now.
Look at what the job has done to Moyes, LVG n Jose. Ole won't get a big job ever again either. Probably right though as he didn't really deserve one to begin with.
Until there is real change with the structure then I feel we might be shopping in the bargain aisles for managers now.
A manager many is hailing as the next big thing? I'm not getting my hopes up on this one.
"They" aren't the same players. We've signed a bazillion players since Moyes. Anyhoo, every manager will have chance to add his own players.
Nagelsmann would be too exciting to be true. Now that’s a manager worth giving time to.
What's his brand of football?
My only concern is that Nagelsmann will change our tactics in a radical way Again. He doesn't believe in flank men for example
I didn't talk about Ole is different to Mou or something. Why are you even suggesting such a thing?
Step down for Poch? I'm in shocked with such a claim.
First of all, United itself is a bigger club. Any top manager would love to manage United & be successor of Sir Alex Ferguson. Poch admires the man himself.
Second,
We have more money means in United he will get more back from our board than with Levy. Although our scout is an issue here.
Third,
United is filled with a lot of young players while Spurs has ageing defense & prime age attackers who need to be utilised before they are getting too old. Good attackers quality mean nothing with average midfield & ageing defense. And what I meant is; they also need to rebuild their squad in defense & midfield and if they don't do it asap then they will lose the opportunity to get the best out of their attackers in their prime age such as Kane, Son & Eriksen.
They haven't downed tools for Ole mate. They are just crap.
Sure we should be doing much better but they haven't downed tools.
Managers are hired for the Now and they plan to stay 3-4 years. They cannot care less what Sir matt and Sir Alex did. All they see is a club who is 12th place and despite being in a massive transition period they were only able to bring 3 players this summer. Why move to united rather then go for real?
How have they downed tools when half of them are injured?!?
Tuchel, Poch, out of those 2, but, Woodward has to leave the Football side of the club to someonelse , or I don't think we will get any top Manager in.
Sure Real would be better choice. But you never mention about Real previously, why out of nowhere you are bringing up Real? Real is still under the management with Zidane, there is nothing to suggest that Zidane would be fired and they are currently top of the La Liga.
Thus why the choice will be United or Spurs. Moving to United from Spurs is not a step down which I have given you three explanation why.
We are a step down to spurs and had been so for quite some time. They have a better side and they can offer CL football. We can't
He could be a really good caretaker for this season but for a long term manager I think the names on my list is more interesting.
Southgate
feck off, just keep Ole.
Well it’s looking like Ed believes that the “strategy” of going with young hard-working British players is the right one, and it’s only Ole’s execution of it that’s faulty. So it’s likely that Ole’s successor will be someone who’s happy with that strategy. Who else but Southgate?
At least with England he seems capable of giving the players instructions that they are capable of following. I don’t think Ole can do that.
We are being run by non-footballing people, no department at Manchester united has a finger on the pulse of what’s current, so a new manager isn’t likely to be an innovative choice such as Nagelsmann.
The new manager would probably be a well known and predictable name, such as Rafa Benitez.
So be careful what you wish for, even Big Sam might likely be the next boss, and all the chatter about a clearly defined rebuild is binned.
We start all over again, right back to square one, with a new agenda.
Not signing young, up and coming stars, but rather tried and tested journeymen.
Woodward goes on an unrestricted spending spree, signing Bale for £90m, Ozil for £70m and bringing Sanchez back from loan, with new contracts for Matic & Young...!
The new manager would probably be a well known and predictable name, such as Rafa Benitez.
So be careful what you wish for, even Big Sam might likely be the next boss, and all the chatter about a clearly defined rebuild is binned.
We start all over again, right back to square one, with a new agenda.
Not signing young, up and coming stars, but rather tried and tested journeymen.
Woodward goes on an unrestricted spending spree, signing Bale for £90m, Ozil for £70m and bringing Sanchez back from loan, with new contracts for Matic & Young...!
Your statement has zero sense here.
They have been in better side for quite some time, I agree with you on this and I won’t deny it but it has nothing to do with being called step down.
The credit of Tottenham’s achievement should be given to the manager for able to build his team & develop young player. It has nothing to with the club’s reputation or resource to support the manager. Leipzig has been the better side than Southampton, so why Ralph thinks moving from a top bundes Liga team to a mid table EPL team will be considered step up?
Being the better side is not the case, our reputation & resource to support the manager is bigger than Tottenham, no it’s not step down. Poch might see that he can do more or achieve more at United given a bigger resource & reputation than he was at Tottenham. And I’m not going to repeat this myself but Tottenham is also need a rebuilding process with their ageing defense & average midfield. Just like us, they are nowhere near to win major trophy.
Nagelsmann would be an interesting choice if we could pry him in 2020.